Unpopular Opinions related to Lego Star Wars

[Graupensuppe]

On 8/28/2020 at 10:55 AM, LEGODrongo01 said:

It just looks too big lol.

It's probably because the "life size" Falcons that were built for the movies were several meters shorter than they should be, and only the cockpit and interior sets were built at full scale.

Edited August 29, 2020 by Graupensuppe

[RetroInferno]

On 8/27/2020 at 10:59 AM, RogueTwo said:

1. Hans Burkhard Schlömer designs really fragile sets with poor connections (and the UCS Slave I is terrible)

2. 75218 X-Wing is infinitely better than either UCS version.

5. I DO NOT want to ever see a Star Wars CMF, because I believe blind-bag purchases go against Lego’s philosophy.  

1. I wouldn't put the entire blame on him; as a designer he has to work with a technic specialist that builds the skeleton of the set and the QA team that review said set also has their input to give. 

2. Agreed.

5. Also agree, would love to have identified bags for said mini figs though. 

[TheMainBricker]

Here's a controversial opinion:

I would prefer it if they used grey bricks for the vehicles (such as X-Wing, Snowspeeder and Imperial Shuttle) instead of white. The original sets were in grey and have changed since.

[Per_SW]

43 minutes ago, TheMainBricker said:

Here's a controversial opinion:

I would prefer it if they used grey bricks for the vehicles (such as X-Wing, Snowspeeder and Imperial Shuttle) instead of white. The original sets were in grey and have changed since.

I agree about the X-Wing and the Snowspeeder, but to me the Lamba shuttle is definitely white.

Regarding unpopular opinions, I don't have many, but a couple come to mind:
- I never really cared about UCS sets made at display scale, since I like to display my sets together and build scenes for them if possible
- All their flaws notwithstanding, I do really like the 75151 Juggernaut and 75222 Cloud City, both sets I've seen berated -or at least disliked- on the net
- I don't understand the people wanting a closed UCS DS or CC with no interior

[2lazeetomakeaname]

8 hours ago, Daddy_Stardust said:

Iden Versio

She had a figure in a battle pack

[Daddy_Stardust]

1 hour ago, 2lazeetomakeaname said:

She had a figure in a battle pack

Whoops, of course she did!!!  

I even own her! But I Bricklinked a helmet for her and gave all of Inferno Squad balaclava heads so long ago that I totally forgot that. Stuck her unmasked head on a black Imperial Death Star prison officer uniform (as I understand that would accurately be her dress uniform as part of the stormtrooper corps) ages back and put her in the officer's mess of our extended Conveyex (you can see her top left of the dejarik table below):

 

I guess I was thinking more from the side of when she turned rebel, for which Firestar Toys did a wonderful and more unique figure for her:

Edited August 29, 2020 by Daddy_Stardust

[Mandalorianknight]

11 hours ago, Daddy_Stardust said:

1. Probably not too controversial, but I hate microfighters. They're just an over-expensive way of releasing small packs with either unique characters or desirable army-builders (usually with a unique update) that would have been far better in a battle pack rather than with a hideous novelty version of a vehicle I'm just going to use for spare parts. Like the exclusive U-Wing pilot who had the accurate dual-moulded helmet; I appreciate they made it cheaper to obtain post-release of the big U-Wing set, but should have been in a rebel pilot battle pack (or with the actual main U-Wing set in the first place).

2. I hate microscale ships that come with calendars and magazine foil bags. They're just bags of spare parts IMO.

3. I can't stand brick-built animals. If they're meant to co-exist in a world with minifigures, then I feel any other lifeforms should be actual moulded posable characters too.

4. Whats the deal with so few vehicles containing actual seat pieces? Really bugs me. It's a single piece instead of a collection of tiles, modified tiles etc. If it can accommodate a real upright seat piece then stick one in!

1 and 2: agreed, although microfighters have some use for pilot figures. (I feel like pilot battle packs wouldn't sell well, hence the chibi ships instead.)

3: I have to disagree here, I prefer it vastly when creatures are made using existing bricks, unless it can't be done with any degree of accuracy at the smaller scale. So while I get why we have molded tantauns, I hate the molded dewback because it could be made pretty well with bricks, and is instead just a giant specialized part, which doesn't feel very lego to me.

4: This would bug me too, except the lego seat piece doesn't really look much like the seating for most vehicles in star wars compared to some of the brick-built solutions.

1 hour ago, Daddy_Stardust said:

I even own her! But I Bricklinked a helmet for her and gave all of Inferno Squad balaclava heads so long ago that I totally forgot that. Stuck her unmasked head on a black Imperial Death Star prison officer uniform (as I understand that would accurately be her dress uniform as part of the stormtrooper corps) ages back and put her in the officer's mess of our extended Conveyex (you can see her top left of the dejarik table below):

I guess I was thinking more from the side of when she turned rebel, for which Firestar Toys did a wonderful and more unique figure for her:

I don't remember if they ever go into it in the novel, but I think they kept their dress uniforms from their previous rank/job (Iden as a TIE pilot, hask as an officer, Seyn as an ISB agent, Del as an engineer), so I think you're right in that the outfit you chose would be the most accurate, at least from existing ones. Nice conveyex interior MOC, by the way, I remember when I first saw that MOC I was impressed by how "alive" you made the scenes inside the cars.

We totally need a rebel iden, too. 

[Samppu]

On 8/29/2020 at 9:31 PM, TheMainBricker said:

Here's a controversial opinion:

I would prefer it if they used grey bricks for the vehicles (such as X-Wing, Snowspeeder and Imperial Shuttle) instead of white. The original sets were in grey and have changed since.

This. Totally agree, especially for the Sentinel class dropship aka. the Imperial landing craft.

[lowlead]

1 hour ago, Samppu said:

This. Totally agree, especially for the Sentinel class dropship aka. the Imperial landing craft.

OOOH!  OOOH!  Can I beat this dead horse with you guys?

I have flip-flopped on this subject for several years but have concluded that a Sentinel or Lambda shuttle, etc...would arrive fresh off the assembly line as white in appearance...or MAYBE very, very light grey.  Then, as these vehicles experience time-in-service in the SW used universe, they become 'dirty white' over time.  So LEGO has to decide what color brick to use, whereas scale modelers just apply weathering.  There's no perfect solution, IMHO.

[Samppu]

7 minutes ago, lowlead said:

OOOH!  OOOH!  Can I beat this dead horse with you guys?

I have flip-flopped on this subject for several years but have concluded that a Sentinel or Lambda shuttle, etc...would arrive fresh off the assembly line as white in appearance...or MAYBE very, very light grey.  Then, as these vehicles experience time-in-service in the SW used universe, they become 'dirty white' over time.  So LEGO has to decide what color brick to use, whereas scale modelers just apply weathering.  There's no perfect solution, IMHO.

For Lambda class this can be thought, I agree and I actually think Lambda class should be white in Lego colors, but I don't see how Sentinel class can be anything but dark bluish gray.
Like really:



Ok, edit, there are some EU sources that paint it light bluish gray, but so far all the Lego sets have been depicting this exact scene.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by Samppu

[lowlead]

12 minutes ago, Samppu said:

For Lambda class this can be thought, I agree, but I don't see how Sentinel class can be anything but dark bluish gray.
Like really:

Perhaps!  But that's just one image from a decade(s)-old tweaking of the original Star Wars.  There are many recent examples of Sentinel shuttles in TCW (or Rebels?) - which can also be considered canon - that suggest 'dirty white.'  ...to my eyes at least.  

Edited August 31, 2020 by lowlead

[Samppu]

4 minutes ago, lowlead said:

Perhaps!  But that's just one image from a decade(s)-old tweaking of the original Star Wars.  There are many recent examples of Sentinel shuttles in TCW - which can also be considered canon - that suggest 'dirty white.'  ...to my eyes at least.  

I agree, but like I said, the two sets including the Sentinel are both depicting this scene. 

[lowlead]

Yep, no argument there.

A new Very Light Blueish Grey brick color then??

 

[Samppu]

7 hours ago, lowlead said:

Yep, no argument there.

A new Very Light Blueish Grey brick color then??

 

This Lego color actually exists ;)
Though not for many pieces, but it is there. I think the name of it on Bricklink is as you wrote it: very light bluish gray.

Yep, I checked it, at least many technic pieces are available in that, which is quite spot on for the effect of dirty white:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=41239&name=Technic, Liftarm 1 x 13 Thick&category=[Technic, Liftarm]#T=S&C=99&O={"color":99,"iconly":0}

Edited August 31, 2020 by Samppu

[TheAbsoluteSt81]

On 8/31/2020 at 11:26 PM, Samppu said:

This Lego color actually exists ;)
Though not for many pieces, but it is there. I think the name of it on Bricklink is as you wrote it: very light bluish gray.

Yep, I checked it, at least many technic pieces are available in that, which is quite spot on for the effect of dirty white:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=41239&name=Technic, Liftarm 1 x 13 Thick&category=[Technic, Liftarm]#T=S&C=99&O={"color":99,"iconly":0}

Would love to see this colour make a comeback and be used on more pieces, it would work really well on X wings and snowspeeders (I think the imperial shuttle should stay white though tbh)

[Samppu]

4 hours ago, TheAbsoluteSt81 said:

Would love to see this colour make a comeback and be used on more pieces, it would work really well on X wings and snowspeeders (I think the imperial shuttle should stay white though tbh)

Yep, I agree.

[T21Typhoon]

This has been a great idea for a thread and has been quite interesting to read this far! Thought I’d chip in too.

It would be great to get new lightsaber hilt moulds. The current ones are perfectly functional and fine as they are, but they lack detail even for a Lego-ised rendition of a lightsaber. It would be nice to get an update on these after 20 years of using the same standard hilts. Lego could take it a step further and add dynamic lightsaber blade pieces (see Hasbro’s Black Series Count Dooku figure as an example) to make it look like said lightsabers are being swung around, which would look fantastic on duel sets / MOCs.

The Episode III Obi-Wan minifigures Lego have produced over the past 8 years hit the mark when it comes to printing his robes, but the face and hair have never looked accurate to me.

I’m fine with the Rebel Snowspeeder and Eta-2 Jedi Starfighters being remade constantly, but both are in dire need of a new approach towards their cockpits.

[josebricks]

1 hour ago, T21Typhoon said:

I’m fine with the Rebel Snowspeeder and Eta-2 Jedi Starfighters being remade constantly, but both are in dire need of a new approach towards their cockpits.

I agree with the point above, as there should always be an inexpensive, recognizably-Star-Wars ship out there for the kids and recent dark-agers who don’t want to spend a fortune.

Opinions:

As someone who was too poor to army build as a kid, I enjoy seeing the huge SW armies of others. These folks buy enough to keep Lego in business, and the theme alive, and then I get to join the fun 15 years later.

Mint sealed in box is dumb. I’m much more impressed by a collector who builds and then displays in a way that showcases the object while preserving it from dust, UV, etc.

[Kit Figsto]

Here's another one of mine - most of the popular prequel/CW sets are extremely overrated and don't hold up that well compared to current stuff.  The Gunship and AT-TE are fine, but the 2013 Gunship and AT-TE were better in my opinion.  The AT-OT and dropship really doesn't look that good to me, it's basically the AT-TE without a roof, though the dropship looks nice but isn't worth several hundreds of dollars in my opinion.  The Venator's proportions are way off to me, and I feel like most of the Imperial Star Destroyers had a much more interesting/playable interior.  I'd love a Venator, but this one just doesn't do the ship justice in my opinion.  The 501st set is a nice minifigure pack and I'm glad that people like it, but I see people calling it one of the best SW sets ever, even though both of the vehicles honestly don't look that good.  The BARC is passable, but the AT-RT, in terms of scale, is absurd. 

I really feel like the reason these sets get so much attention and have such a high secondary value is because they've only been made once, so it's partially on LEGO for not making more of these sets when the demand is clearly there, but I truly don't see the appeal of some of these sets other than being one-off examples of a model, especially when it's several hundreds of dollars for a lot of them.  For that price, I'd rather get 2003 Cloud City (which, checking prices of now, has gone up way more than I thought, I remember when it was $700-800 for a new copy and now it looks like a solid used version is more than that).

[Sucram]

yeah super unpop but the UCS slave I isnt nearly as good as everyone says i think. The slopes used at the front look pretty weird.

And i disagree with making white ships grey, theres already way way way too many grey things in Star Wars.

[Mandalorianknight]

21 minutes ago, LEGODrongo01 said:

And i disagree with making white ships grey, theres already way way way too many grey things in Star Wars.

Yes. the colors for the snowspeeder are kind of debatable going off the OT footage alone, but every other piece of media, at least recently, shows them as white. The X-wing and lambda are white too, no question.

2 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

Here's another one of mine - most of the popular prequel/CW sets are extremely overrated and don't hold up that well compared to current stuff.  The Gunship and AT-TE are fine, but the 2013 Gunship and AT-TE were better in my opinion.  The AT-OT and dropship really doesn't look that good to me, it's basically the AT-TE without a roof, though the dropship looks nice but isn't worth several hundreds of dollars in my opinion.  The Venator's proportions are way off to me, and I feel like most of the Imperial Star Destroyers had a much more interesting/playable interior.  I'd love a Venator, but this one just doesn't do the ship justice in my opinion.

I really feel like the reason these sets get so much attention and have such a high secondary value is because they've only been made once, so it's partially on LEGO for not making more of these sets when the demand is clearly there, but I truly don't see the appeal of some of these sets other than being one-off examples of a model, especially when it's several hundreds of dollars for a lot of them.  

I completely agree, so many of the origional TCW sets are vastly overrated, I think partially because people who grew up with them (or wishing they had them) as kids now look back on them with nostalgia lenses, and like you said, there haven't been new sets of some of these to illustrate the flaws of the older ones. Honestly I think the 2009 venator is pretty bad even for the standards of that time, and while the AT-OT and dropship is a nice concept for a set, the AT-OT itself is utter garbage. An AT-TE with dropship would work better, but nowadays that'd be a good $400-500.

[Veynom]

8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

(...). An AT-TE with dropship would work better, but nowadays that'd be a good $400-500.

You know, the dropship can carrry either of the 3 sets: the AT-OT from the box, the AT-TE, and the Juggernaut from the same era. This is not a well advertised feature, but the dropship can do it, without any modification.

 

On the controversy side, I only like minifig-scale SW sets.

• microfighters are sporadically great for their minifig (but I like their brick-built Bantha & Dewback)
• micro stuff means spare parts to me, directly, never even built.
• UCS that are not minifig-scale (or close enough) are just statues. Where's the fun without a pilot.
• We need a modular serie "SW style" to create nice colored cities for Coruscant, Lothal, Naboo (enough of Tatooine)... or at least sets that can be connected together to create a giant hangar, a rebel base, an Imperial fortress, a street... (and by connection, I mean not only side-by-side like classic modulars but also "on top of")

[Gontron]

I think the reason the AT-OT and Dropship are so highly regarded is because its two very niche vehicles that got, for the time, really good builds. We're never getting either of them again so it makes sense why people are obsessed with it. 

 

Not sure if these are controversial but...

• The Anniversary wave was disappointing outside the Imperial Dropship. 
• I don't mind TCW sets taking a break, we got them non-stop for 5 years.
• I'm just not a fan of 75153, the legs just look bland and the canopy looks rough. I personally prefer the one from the Endor Bunker set. 

[Archer]

On 9/6/2020 at 10:16 PM, Kit Figsto said:

I really feel like the reason these sets get so much attention and have such a high secondary value is because they've only been made once, so it's partially on LEGO for not making more of these sets when the demand is clearly there, but I truly don't see the appeal of some of these sets other than being one-off examples of a model, especially when it's several hundreds of dollars for a lot of them.  For that price, I'd rather get 2003 Cloud City (which, checking prices of now, has gone up way more than I thought, I remember when it was $700-800 for a new copy and now it looks like a solid used version is more than that).

One thing that I really don't think lego has considered, is the fact that people who were children with no money that the time that sets like the AT-OT released are now adults with money. It's obvious with the helmets,18+, and mosaic, that Lego does change up their tactics on what sells, but I feel like they are completely missing the fact that kids that grew up with PT and CW are adults now. It's why there is such hullabaloo over the AAT and 501st Battlepack. Its why the UCS Gunshiip won out over (better) OT offerings. I'm still bitter about that one. 

 

Here my unpopular opinion. People who complain about updates to figs "ruining" their army, or "forcing" them to restart their army building are whiney and its just obnoxious. Nobody is telling you to go out and amass 1000+ clones / stormtroopers, its a completely personal goal. Right now you see it with the 501st Battlepack, People are amassing ungodly amounts of the set. I would get a bit of sick pleasure if they were to release a 501st clone with armprint or dual molding next year. 

Also, while I think everyone does have a right to buy as much as they want of a set, the people who are amassing certain sets by the double digits, including several youtubers who are just using unopened sets as set dressing at the moment are causing the scarcity as much as the scalpers are. It's certainly not as bad as scalping sets, but because of it, I seriously doubt there are many children who have a 501st BP right now due to the craze of hunting these things down to extinction faster than the dodo bird.

All that said this is not a phenomenon unique to lego, I'd say its just kind of recent that it's occurring with non-exclusive sets.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Archer

[Makin Bacon]

4 hours ago, Archer said:

Right now you see it with the 501st Battlepack, People are amassing ungodly amounts of the set. I would get a bit of sick pleasure if they were to release a 501st clone with armprint or dual molding next year. 

I must admit, as someone who was severely annoyed by the spamming and brigading to have this set made, I couldn't help but have a devilish grin when they changed the clones printing to be inconsistent (and, in my opinion, worse) with the design they've been doing since 2014