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Last comment by me and I will drop the issue. I mean no disrespect but your defense here is a little tangential. I fear there may be some language barrier so respect is even more important than usual. But I must say I think you are still missing the point. I have stated several times that the fact that others are building something that flies with non-Lego parts is an absolute non-issue. I love building with non-Lego parts. Completely fun IMO . Succinctly stated, the issue that I, and people in general I think, had with this post is that there is now a well-known debate in the Lego community of whether Lego can fly or not. Being defined further, can an all-Lego build fly or not? If someone were to actually build something that could fly (again, all out of Lego) then the owners of the build could claim that notoriety. This post claimed to have solved that problem (i.e. title of post....."finally" someone made.....). However, it did not. If you are familiar with the phrase "smoke and mirrors" then you get what I mean. The issue is more about precision of language. Don't claim ownership of solving perhaps one of the more significant problems out there in the Lego Technic community unless you truly have done so. In fact, please realize that the more creations that come out using non-Lego elements actually provides for evidence that the problem cannot be solved using genuine Lego parts. Lastly, the reason for my most recent post had nothing to do with your unfounded belief that a Lego (sorry to be redundant, but I find myself needing to always clarify....ALL Lego) build could fly. It had to do with you calling those in the community that dont think it is possible as "negative." Doing this creates an "us versus them" mentality, which is not only unproductive, but it is "negative" in and of itself. Stating a belief that suggests something is not possible should not be interpreted as discouraging someone from trying. That is an logical fallacy that I cannot own. The fact that I don''t think it is gonna happen does not mean I don't think people should try. On the contrary..... have at it. Eat your heart out....have fun. Don't see what is negative by that........

To bring this up again and offer nothing substantial other than throwing barbs (i.e. "negative mindsets"), IMO, opens your comments to scrutiny. Negative mindset or just being realistic? I will let readers be the judge. And as they do, they will all search youtube, brickshelf, etc and realize that no one has even came close. They will analyze the the power versus weight ration of PF motors and battery boxes and a common sense will prevail. And please don't add any more malarkey about what proportion of a build has to be Lego before the evasive "Lego flying machine" title can be applied to it. If you are going to claim such a title, it has to be Lego. All of it. As Blakbird said, it is fairly easy to make a Lego flying machine if the drive train or other parts of the build are not Lego.....

Wonderful job. Love it. Out of curiosity, you mention that you think it is your best, without the video there is much of the car that we don't know yet, but what makes it your best in your opinion?

Hmmm..... kinda disagree with this. Not an aviation expert, be interesting to hear from someone who is, but not sure the wings are the most important part of aircraft. Certainly NOT from a technical standpoint. Think of history. Wings were created long before the appropriate propulsion for flying. That is why gliders were created before fixed-wing flying aircraft. They appeared first b/c they were much easier to invent/create. In reference to the question of flying LEGO, the question has always been, and still remains, how to accurately propel the build, not necessarily how to provide the lift from the wings. Same with rotary-wing aircraft. Again, no expert here.... but I think that the blades from 9396 would be sufficient for flying if there was adequate power. But there is not (speaking of pure LEGO). Again, the question, or hardest part is in the drive system.... not the rotors. In the RC drone industry, the difficulty was the same. The question was not how to produce sufficient rotors (that could have been done like when....50's ..60's) for a drone, but how to make powerful enough motors that were still light enough. Or how to power them without adding too much weight. Or the electronics. The rotors (akin to wings) were not the problem.

I think a vital point is being missed here. The rebuttal that is being posted on this thread I don't think has anything to do with the fact the people, and those also in the video, are using third party parts or damaging genuine LEGO parts to accomplish the feat of flying. I agree with the above that the "why do people do this" mindset is boring. I love to use third-party parts. It is fun! I have said it before and I will say it again.... I like to build; period. I mess with RC cars, woodworking, etc. I like to create. I use lots of different things and mediums. It is just that I think LEGO is the best. Most versatile. Gives the greatest possibilities. But.... and a big but here.... is that if I find something else (material or otherwise) that completes my goal in mind, then I will use that. End of story. The fact that third party motors and others things were used is not an issue. At least in my mind and perhaps not even an issue in most people's minds that even posted "against" comments on this page. I think the real beef with this post is that the OP posted it as a solution to a current belief.... that LEGO, pure LEGO cannot fly. By stating "FINALLY" someone made LEGO fly will sound like something ground-breaking and proving nay-sayers wrong. When in fact, the video posted is nothing that we haven't seen before, and certainly does NOT solve the problem of LEGO not being able to fly. We can dissect what we mean by LEGO all we want here... but I think there is a general consensus that if you claim to solve this problem, then it needs to be all LEGO. The creator of the video him/herself even did not make such a claim. The title is "RC Flying Lego Airplane" indicating that RC parts were used. The title of this post does not seem to match the content of the video. That...... as I see it, is the issue with the video. Not the fact that some builder chose to address the issue using third party parts.... I get that this is breaking down nuances of speech...... but, precision of language does matter and truly I think it is the reason for the hoopla on this post..... Looking back this is pretty much what I mean. Stated very well by Paul.

Well done. I really enjoy all these mini submissions. tc10 also saw several mini submissions. I think it can all be traced to our tiny moc post, which this would make a great addition to

This is mesmerizing.... funny thing is, I just built a similar MOC. I built a Star Wars Orrery but instead of planets I used SW Micro builds. I think I ran into many similar problems as your build. As others have noticed, there is a little bit of slow speed. However, you just had to gear your build down enough because you needed the torque to drive the model Not much you can do because of that. If you have followed the BuWizz thread, perhaps ordering a unit and using it may speed this puppy up a bit. Also, I noticed a little jerkiness. Just like my MOC in the video above. But again, i don't think this resembles anything done wrong on your part, I just think it is a consequence of using ABS. Backlash will exist.....and on builds like this, sometimes to an extreme degree. That is why I am not sure builds like this (and mine) will ever become official sets, no matter how many votes they get. Builds like this push ABS towards a limit that that can be difficult got TLG to manage. However, personally, love the build and I will support it on LEGO Ideas. Just some thoughts..... overall, wonderful job. I will say that in terms of overall aesthetics, I have been following your builds for a while and I think you have one of the keener eyes for aesthetics out there......

This is excellent. Love how there is so much diversity in your builds. My daughter came over and peered over my shoulder as I watched the video. Now it looks like she wants me to build one

As others have said, beautiful model. Specifically, I like the interesting placement of the rear differential.

Nearly indistinguishable from the real machine

Thanks everyone for the kind words.... it was a lot of fun to make. And yes, all ran from one, M PF motor.

1:10 6:6 16:4 11:3 21:2 20:1 **Break** Crazy good entries everyone. I really had a hard time of judging as well. I think a great metric to keep would be to have everyone note how many times they watched the youtube videos or how long it took for each of them to vote.

Hey Everyone Long time member, though I usually post my MOCs on the Technic page. This time I chose to do something different. Long time lover of mini and micro builds, thought I would do something with those that I have either built myself, or are official sets, or have been built by others. This video tells most you need to know of this MOC: Quickly, there are six levels to the orrery-like build. Each level has LEGO Mini or Micro builds displaying some scene from the movies. For example, the second and third highest levels are Sebula and Anakin racing each other: And the other levels have other stories as well. The base has many details, and carries more micro and mini builds. All in all, 13 micros and minis were used. Check out this main page for more details: http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/434104 Thanks for taking a look!

One of my first builds back from my dark ages was a SW creation with pneumatics. Naturally, this build is going to rank high on my list on candidates

I am fully aware of the issues and unlikely chance that a Technic model would ever get accepted for LEGO Ideas.... .BUT, if there ever was a submission that had a chance..... I think it would be something like this. Love the build... also waiting to see the video.

Wow..... I am amazed with the number of newbies that are coming out with first posts that just rock. Great job overall, and given this is your first post, you fall into this camp! Love the looks, trailer really accentuates the model as well.

my wife recommended a book for this weekend. I told her I was already busy. This weekend I will be watching videos and reading awesome posts like this to judge for competition.

congratulations on finishing this build. Been following this and waiting for its completion. solutions are spot on for the problems posed. I think this will do really well in the competition.

But that is not what was said. What was said was " If I build a Lego car body and mount it to an 80 MPH RC chassis " - clearly different statements......

uni"mocs"......lol...

Agreed. If you look at any discussion regarding the possibility of LEGO flying the issue of power to weight ratio is always at the forefront. Using non-LEGO RC motors is not some insignificant change; it is at the heart and soul of the whole "can LEGO fly" argument. Lots of people can and have made LEGO fly..... if using non-LEGO ways to power it or somewhere in the drivetrain.

Man those housings are pretty. Not much in terms of an update.... but it does say a larger update is coming soon. I will wait for that. Thanks for the response.....

Kudos on the whole build..... not to take anything away from the SUV (looks great IMO) but the catamaran is just fantastic. In a hobby that is ever-increasing in popularity, it is hard to make "firsts" - I am not sure I have seen a Technic catamaran before..... so "first!" Also, the design of placing the Lego hulls under the technic body is stupendous. As a design, I am not sure I have seen this before either......

I think it would be a good idea Tommy. I think that as a community we all have a vested interest in trying to protect the hobby. I say protect it because we want to protect the talent therein. If people are getting their videos and creations ripped off all the time, they may have less interest in sharing. Those that share, know, that making videos and taking the time to make good photos takes time, energy, and resources. Other Lego-community sites are quick to report "iffy" practices. I know anytime on BL if there is a suspicious sale the community is quick to report it.

you'll get a lot of positive comments on this build. And you should, it is terrific. my favorite.... Is the mini shock absorber. Brilliant.