LEGO Star Wars 2023 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[ForgedInLego]

Any chance the whole mini ARC 170 started as the polybag build and through a long game of telephone ended up as the battle pack build?

All I'm saying is, both of the last Hailfire droids have been well under 200 pcs...

[Duke27]

Big thanks to Renown for all these clarifications.

Edited August 2, 2023 by Duke27

[Classic_Spaceman]

6 minutes ago, Renown said:

Both factions get builds, although - to my welcome, at least - those of the CIS are significantly more substantial (and actually canon vehicles).

Nice! 👍
Does this mean that the Republic builds are non-Canon, though? 
 

What we know about the Clones vs. Droids “super battle pack”, courtesy of @Renown: 

1 hour ago, Renown said:

I wouldn't like to see these most of these builds attempt to take flight. 

3 hours ago, Renown said:

It is. I'm looking at images of the set right now. Certainly an interesting interpretation of an ARC-170 build.  

11 minutes ago, Renown said:

Both factions get builds, although - to my welcome, at least - those of the CIS are significantly more substantial (and actually canon vehicles).

Regarding the possibility of the Clones being Shinies: 

On 7/31/2023 at 4:47 PM, Renown said:

Will have been the prelim. They might be, they might not. Wouldn't read too far into it.  

To summarise: 
 - Clone unit is unknown via the prelim image. 
 - Both Republic and CIS get more than one build. 
 - Most of the builds cannot fly (I.E. are ground vehicles, stationary turrets, terrain, etc). 
 - The CIS builds are Canon and more substantial than the Republic builds. 
 - The set does not include an ARC-170 in any form, nor anything that looks like an ARC-170! 
 - The set includes B2 battle droids and up to ten Minifigs (Clones and Droids), though the exact breakdown of the droids has yet to be stated as far as I am aware (this info via Promobricks). 
 

[Hhalcyon]

Both factions get buildS? plural?

What is in this damn superbattlepack lmao?

If anyone else had said "oh yeah there's gonna be a $30 super battlepack with 4 clones and like 6 droids with multiple builds" we'd have laughed at them. But in renown and promobricks we trust.

[Renown]

18 minutes ago, Duke27 said:

Big thanks to Renown for all these clarifications.

Welcome.

 

18 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Nice! 👍
Does this mean that the Republic builds are non-Canon, though? 
 

What we know about the Clones vs. Droids “super battle pack”, courtesy of @Renown: 

Regarding the possibility of the Clones being Shinies: 

To summarise: 
 - Clone unit is unknown via the prelim image. 
 - Both Republic and CIS get more than one build. 
 - Most of the builds cannot fly (I.E. are ground vehicles, stationary turrets, terrain, etc). 
 - The CIS builds are Canon and more substantial than the Republic builds. 
 - The set does not include an ARC-170 in any form, nor anything that looks like an ARC-170! 
 - The set includes B2 battle droids and up to ten Minifigs (Clones and Droids), though the exact breakdown of the droids has yet to be stated as far as I am aware (this info via Promobricks). 
 

Very concise. You'd make a good historian, given your ability to deduce and communicate scarce information from a source. 

[Classic_Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Renown said:

Very concise. You'd make a good historian, given your ability to deduce and communicate scarce information from a source. 

Thank you! 👍
Can you comment on the Droid breakdown, and whether the non-Canon builds look decent? 
 

@Renown: Is there any validity to the theory floated that the Clone vs. Droid set is a remake-combo of the original Droid and Clone battle packs? The CIS build is an approximation of the Platoon Attack Craft (which is Canon). 
Points against this theory are that the Republic build is intended to be a BARC speeder (Republic builds in the CvD pack are implied to be non-Canon), and that speeders and repulsorlift vehicles are technically flying. 

On 7/31/2023 at 12:38 PM, Classic_Spaceman said:

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Classic_Spaceman

[SketchBrick]

1 hour ago, Duke27 said:

Big thanks to Renown for all these clarifications.

Absolutely! Thank you Renown for clearing up some of the misconceptions. I feel like this is the 10th time in a week we've been misled by some "rumor" started by Lifebricks and then quoted by somebody (i.e. brickreporter) 🙄

I look forward to finding out what the builds will actually be!

[Mandalorianknight]

2 hours ago, Renown said:

Both factions get builds, although - to my welcome, at least - those of the CIS are significantly more substantial (and actually canon vehicles).

A win is a win. The CIS to GAR gap in terms of faction power based on what we can currently buy is something I imagine is really annoying for kids. I used to pair off my sets and figs for battles, and there's just no way kids today could have the CIS stack up anything more than B1s since august 2020. Nuts.

[NoOneOfImportance]

12 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

A win is a win. The CIS to GAR gap in terms of faction power based on what we can currently buy is something I imagine is really annoying for kids. I used to pair off my sets and figs for battles, and there's just no way kids today could have the CIS stack up anything more than B1s since august 2020. Nuts.

This is my biggest issue with battlepacks anymore. We used to get solid representation for both sides (whether by a single pack (2012) or two opposing packs), but since they transitioned to a single pack per wave, we are left with situations like a Snowtrooper pack and no regular retail available Rebel opponents, or 501st specialists and 332nd troopers with no droids to oppose. As much as we got tired of them, I would LOVE to see a new Homing Spider Droid or Droid Gunship right about now. 

Actually, let's do the investigation, shall we: 

Currently, there are (not including UCS), five Clones/Droids sets available/coming up (all Clone-focused). 

If you purchased all of these sets (1x each), you would have: 
3x 332nd Troopers

2x Shock Troopers

2x 187th Troopers 

3x 212th Troopers 

1x Clone Gunner

4x 501st Troopers

1x 187th Commander

1x Commander Fox

1x Captain Vaughn 

1x Commander Cody

Which brings us to a grand (army of the Republic) total of: 4x Commanders/Captains and 15x Clone Troopers 

To fight these Clones (and their AT-TE, Fighter Tank, Gunship, Cannon, and Swamp Speeder), we have... 5x B1s and 1x Dwarf Spider Droid...

Edited August 3, 2023 by NoOneOfImportance

[Rwbricks]

14 hours ago, Brickroll said:

I mean, I don’t want to get into a conversation that sounds wishlist-y, but I always have to ask whenever this conversation comes up: realistically, what would a Star Wars CMF be able to cover that hasn’t already been covered? We’ve already got hyper detailed figs for characters such as Boba Fett and Vader, and there aren’t a lot more that need those. I can’t see it being efficient for army building. We’ve got most of the major characters that have appeared in the shows, and most of the minor characters that appear in the movies. We have the 20th anniversary yellow figures from 2019, so not a lot of reason to do classic figures. I suppose there’s no hard law stating that all characters in a theme have to adhere to one theme, but I can’t really imagine a mixture of Cobb Vanth, a Zorii Bliss with arm printing, a 327th figure, a Nien Numb, and a classic Boba Fett.

There is never going to be a way to please everyone or make a perfect CMF, obviously—I love the new Marvel ones, but I can absolutely understand the desire for more comic designs in it. With that said, I really don’t see the need for a Star Wars one or any way to appeal to a majority of the audience.

Hopefully this isn’t too wishlist-y, either, but I think including the concept art versions of the characters would be not only really, really cool, but also a different enough way to get variants of the main characters. This wouldn’t work for every character, and it might not be received too well since the argument could be made that these versions don’t technically fit with the film ones. Luke Starkiller in the Skywalker Saga game gave me (farfetched) hope, though, and even one like Boba from the Holiday Special would be amazing. 
 

[BrickBob Studpants]

10 hours ago, The Stud said:

Like someone else said before, the only way I see them ever doing a Star Wars CMF is by doing a broad Disney+ theme like Marvel.

That would be excellent. Could you imagine a CMF series based on Visions?   I agree with the general point that a general SW CMF series would make no sense whatsoever, but a highly specific one like that could work.

In regards to the BP: Thanks to @Renown for clarifying! Glad the Arc-170 rumour was bogus. What an awkward BP that would‘ve been

[THELEGOBATMAN]

Disappointing to hear that the Tantive IV Boarding set is not a diorama. Wonder how it'll look then.

Are we really getting just a single diorama next year? And a (most likely) microscale one at that?

[BrickBob Studpants]

45 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Disappointing to hear that the Tantive IV Boarding set is not a diorama. Wonder how it'll look then.

Where did you hear that? I don‘t see anything in the usual place

[Hhalcyon]

8 hours ago, NoOneOfImportance said:

This is my biggest issue with battlepacks anymore. We used to get solid representation for both sides (whether by a single pack (2012) or two opposing packs), but since they transitioned to a single pack per wave, we are left with situations like a Snowtrooper pack and no regular retail available Rebel opponents, or 501st specialists and 332nd troopers with no droids to oppose. As much as we got tired of them, I would LOVE to see a new Homing Spider Droid or Droid Gunship right about now. 

Actually, let's do the investigation, shall we: 

Currently, there are (not including UCS), five Clones/Droids sets available/coming up (all Clone-focused). 

If you purchased all of these sets (1x each), you would have: 
3x 332nd Troopers

2x Shock Troopers

2x 187th Troopers 

3x 212th Troopers 

1x Clone Gunner

4x 501st Troopers

1x 187th Commander

1x Commander Fox

1x Captain Vaughn 

1x Commander Cody

Which brings us to a grand (army of the Republic) total of: 4x Commanders/Captains and 15x Clone Troopers 

To fight these Clones (and their AT-TE, Fighter Tank, Gunship, Cannon, and Swamp Speeder), we have... 5x B1s and 1x Dwarf Spider Droid...

Well you can always have them try and fight Windu and Yoda....

No but seriously thank goodness for this upcoming battlepack. I've personally bought a bunch of AATs, spider droids, super battle droids and battle droids so my mocs and displays are at least populated with some CIS enemies but I'm sure kids were having to get more creative than they really needed to lol.

That said, lego really ought to try and include more Jedi, CIS and Sith into their clone wars sets. We haven't had a Dooku or Ventress in foreeeeeeeeeeever. In a perfect world each non-battlepack clone wars set should really include a jedi, a notable CIS minifig (like ventress or something), a couple clones and a couple of droids. Especially if that's gonna be like a $150 set. I can understand why the 2022 AT-TE didn't come with Obi-wan (if it did about 99% of the sets that year would have included him) and I can understand why a coruscant guard gunship comes with neither droids nor a jedi (and it was certainly made up for with Palps and Pads) but I really hope moving forward Lego does try to diversify the figure selection of larger sets.

For example, AND THIS IS NOT A WISHLIST, IT IS AN EXAMPLE, MODERATORS.

If they made a Turbo Tank and put at it at a similar price point as the AT-TE, I'd hope they go more down the route of including Luminara, Gree, Quinlan, a couple of clones and a few super battledroids rather than going the route of Gree, 3x clones, 1x clone gunner and 3x battledroids. We can always just have the 41st Elite Corps appear in a battlepack or similarly cheap set. We don't need to fill the actual sets with those figs. A couple sure, but just put them in a battlepack and give us more notable named characters in the actual sets.

That's what I hope they're doing with the coruscant guard gunship. 2 shock troopers in the actual gunship and then some more in either (or both) the upcoming battlepack or grogu's escape.

 

[Phoenix__Phyre]

Although I have some small nitpicks with a few of the sets in terms of minifig details and screen accuracy, overall I’m liking most of the sets coming out in the next couple months and will probably get them.

I’m really confused by the pricing though. On the US shop I see the gunship is $140 USD ($230 NZD) and Yavin is $170 USD ($280 NZD). However on the NZ shop the gunship and Yavin are $270 and $280 respectively.

I don’t understand how Yavin has the exact same price in both countries, and yet the Gunship is $40 more expensive. It would almost be cheaper for me to ship the gunship to NZ from America…

 

Does anyone know why there might be such a discrepancy between the prices? Maybe there’s some obvious reason I’m missing 😅

[Old Master]

1 hour ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Disappointing to hear that the Tantive IV Boarding set is not a diorama. Wonder how it'll look then.

 Are we really getting just a single diorama next year? And a (most likely) microscale one at that?

What is the source on this?

There's always a chance we see that Jabba's Throne Room diorama pop up (I'm still on copium life support since that got "cancelled")
 

[THELEGOBATMAN]

51 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Where did you hear that? I don‘t see anything in the usual place

Brickmerge. It's listed as an 8+ set, not an 18+ one.

@Falconfan1414 also hasn't listed it as a diorama, nor an 18+ set on his latest Star Wars list.

[Fulcrumfan91]

Oh dear....the T-6 is missing red bricks on the other side of the ship so it looks asymmetrical....how on earth did Lego miss that...thats bad.

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Fulcrumfan91

[1340cc]

1 hour ago, Phoenix__Phyre said:

On the US shop I see the gunship is $140 USD ($230 NZD) and Yavin is $170 USD ($280 NZD). However on the NZ shop the gunship and Yavin are $270 and $280 respectively.

I was on the fence about whether I get the gunship until I saw the price. Had it been the Muunilinst 10 gunship I might have grudgingly paid $270 for it, Coruscant guard is an easy pass when it's practically the same price as the Ghost which releases on the same day.

[betaplayer]

1 hour ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Brickmerge. It's listed as an 8+ set, not an 18+ one.

@Falconfan1414 also hasn't listed it as a diorama, nor an 18+ set on his latest Star Wars list.

Ooeeh, that's actually quite nice imo! We usually get more value out of a playset compared to a diorama.

(Imo there are already too many adult oriented sets. We need to keep this theme sustainable long term, therefore should be enough affordable sets mainly for kids. We adults are competent enough to create our own dioramas out of a playset, I would think.)

[Balrogofmorgoth]

3 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Disappointing to hear that the Tantive IV Boarding set is not a diorama. Wonder how it'll look then.

Are we really getting just a single diorama next year? And a (most likely) microscale one at that?

My guess is if it’s not an official diorama, it’s probably something similar to the Luke vs Dark Troopers set

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Brickmerge. It's listed as an 8+ set, not an 18+ one.

@Falconfan1414 also hasn't listed it as a diorama, nor an 18+ set on his latest Star Wars list.

Oh. Welp, all that means is that the build won‘t be quite as nice. The minifigs would have been utterly boring either way. Definitely the least interesting set of the entire 1HY to me (apart from the downscaled R2)

[mirkwoodspiders]

36 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

My guess is if it’s not an official diorama, it’s probably something similar to the Luke vs Dark Troopers set

I'd prefer a diorama, but I could see this having some neat functions. Maybe the door blowing off, or even a little sliding brick to move Threepio and R2 across the main hall with some flick lasers shooting at them from somewhere lol.

[Batman1]

I’m confused as to where this new rumour has come from that the Tantive IV im(75387) is not a diorama set? 
Promobricks already confirmed it is one of two Dioramas sets, the other one being the Boonta Eve one.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Batman1

[NoOneOfImportance]

1 minute ago, Batman1 said:

I’m confused as to where this new rumour has come from that the Tantive IV (75387) is not a diorama set? 
Promobricks already confirmed it is one of two Dioramas sets, the other one being the Boonta Eve one.

Brickmerge listed the set as 8+, and as such, it can’t be one of the diorama collection sets. 
 

It could still have diorama in the name of the set, but it won’t be part of the black base series.