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Thank you, i will keep a watch out... thats the beauty of the internet!

This is great! I've got to see it running... video? Also details of the top-end, valves, how you're timing it etc I love working on engines, and i love lego.. this project is right up my street! Also, i presume you chose the fuel based on its burn temp? I may have a 100 questions, sorry in advance..

@AVCampos Thanks for that! I'll drop a message and see if we can share some code.. no point me reinventing the wheel! Lots of potential once its in c#, especially if i can get the number of revolutions/rpm back. Makes multi-sequence programming very straight forward.

C++ is supported on raspberry pi... back to my internet of things + lego dream!! C# is where I spend most of my working days.. and can work with bluetooth devices via the windows.devices.bluetooth namespace.. once it get round to it, if no one else has started one, i'll start a thread for it as i'm sure there are others on here with dev knowledge. Maybe able to get something working from a windows environment..

Correct.. and as a V1 i think this is great. The flexibility of the platform means potential for rapid development.. its a platform for growth, so by V3 or V5 it could be pretty special.

£415.. ouch. 30% off is where i want it.. not impossible.

Finding it dull is different to the whole C+ junking thing and the stream negativity that comes with it... I find cars dull, i wouldn't buy the bugatti if it was £20, thats personal preference and thats totally rational and normal. I'm not saying this set is the most exciting i've ever seen (no gearboxes), but i don't get the desire to go back to PU thats worse in most ways, just because 'change is bad'... I buy sets to enjoy the build, look at use them for a month-ish, then take to pieces for mocs. I never keep anything built, so the lack of gearboxes is a shame, but the host of new components is a reason to rejoice, not an excuse to reinvent the stone-age out of shear stubbornness. I'm generally staggered everything 6 months when the new sets come out and the haters start hating.

Why's there a constant chatter about replacing Control+ with PU? The motors are the same internally, so the power and torque are the same (+/- gearing). C+ comes with all the gyro stuff and rpm, which is a great addition - @Sariel review of 42099 said he wasn't sure what practical use it was, and he maybe right, but what practical use is a lego Merc truck, or a lego bugatti.. none, but thats not the point of lego - so in my view it is a great addition (to what is actually a toy...).. Its bluetooth, thats an improvement on every level too. So you need a phone or tablet to control it... so what! there's over a trillion connected devices on the earth, should Lego have stuck with the 'old way' just to please the Luddites? No of course not. I see something new and i want to embrace and see what possibilities it has, not work out how to backwards engineer it into 2010... "everything was better when everything was worse"...!! I can smell lego moc's being an internet of things device, its probably do-able now... how awesome is that?! The set isn't due out for another 2 months, why not wait until someones actually built it before deciding its fate.... who knows, maybe it will convert the doom mongers!!

I feel very positive about control+ - performance is equal to PF but with a bunch of new features, but more importantly, this is at the start of the life cycle, on a platform that will allow rapid updates. I'd rather have a new system with bugs at the START of its lifecycle, than a decent system at the end of its. I'm desperate for a programmable option for moc's, but i'm positive that will arrive.. in the meantime, i'm happy to strap-in for the (bumpy?) ride!!

Thanks @kbalage my knowledge of powered up is weak, so i need to investigate that if that will be the central hub for everything. Would it be correct to say that Control + is the set-specific flavour app and PU is none set specific and will hopefully be able to control moc's at some point?

Thats what 42070 should have been!! Great job.

No it isn't... its perceived to be by marketeers. Effective marketing is showing the features of your product in a way that makes people want it. Thats not what this is doing... its the orange rimmed spectacle wearing, blue shoe laced mob's idea of 'cool'. "How shall be best show off the features of this 100 piece technical Jigsaw with new blue tooth connectivity and 3 axis giro's?"... "Why not throw it off a building!!" "YEA, Hi fives dude"..... It was a poor idea, and shocking that someone who should know better signed off on it. That will NOT make anyone want to buy. Simple as that, therefore its very ineffective marketing. It is 'only' Lego, I don't take it personally, and i have it in perspective - and my conclusion is its dumb. Not as dumb as most of the stuff on the 10pm news (perspective) but that doesn't mean its not mindless. And they do deserve smacking with a wet fish.. not for the cost, as thats not relevant here, but just for being dumb enough to think this is good marketing.

Of course it does!! Along with the snorkel and checker plate steel on the arches... makes the owner look like a manly-man!!

They'd do better testing it round Sainsbury's carpark!! thats the only 'off road' these things will ever see... they'll never, ever see mud. Old defenders did, but not any more. They're only for the middle-classes to show off to the neighbours... But the lego version looks awesome, way better than i thought it would. Hoping for great functions, not interested in realistic dashboard and seats and that stuff.. some proper technic stuff going on! Hopefully.

Thanks for the info... it feels a bit disjointed at the minute. Lets hope there's some merging of these platforms..

Yes they do... the guy with blue shoe laces in marketing has got it wrong this time. I have a question that i'm not sure has come up regarding Control + - the promo clips show lots of integration by selecting a specific model. What happens with a MOC? Is there a totally free-form option, or do you have to pick a set that closest to the moc you've built? Apologies if this has been discussed.

The voice of common sense! Thought i was the only one that thought it was moaning for the sake of moaning... Wise words.

£179 on ebay - what was the original guesstimate? I seem to think it was 250 euro's? 175 euro's in poland is starting to sound better..

Thats the kind of starting point i want to see!! Once we get 30% off either this or 42100, i'm all over it!!!

Valid points, i can't argue.. non-rechargeable batteries does seem a glaring omission. Bulky i can live with as i like bigger mocs. I love new stuff and can forgive some issues as the new-ness wins for me. I'm not familiar with enough mindstorms (something i should address), but i guess the thought i had was that maybe this was part of a roadmap to unify a few things across lines.. possibly not though. I'm excited for the New, and hope that the points mentioned don't present themselves!! Time will tell... I like the set visually - big and brutal, but 80% of my reason to buy it will be as a parts pack for control+ (i never leave sets built more than a month anyway). Long LA's are cool too. I'm hopeful that the retailers will discount a decent amount off it - i'll not be buying it when it first comes out at full price, thats for sure....

The pc, android or (cr)apple device you;re using to access this forum will cost more i suspect.. and there's very little guarantee that that technology will still be relevant in 5 years time, yet we're all banking and shopping online. But even if android phones go obsolete, the comms infrastructure they're using won't. The internet will still be there and we'll just migrate to new devices. Control + is the same. The 'handset' isn't really important. There'll be 3rd party options (might already be?). Its open source comms. And the 3 axis gyros, counting revolutions etc is a massive step forward. Whats really behind it, is its change, and people don't like change.. simple as that. Not everyone likes or embraces change, and thats fine... i'm an early adopter on a lot of things, i like the challenge of the new. There's a great quote from someone.. "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.." Bit harsh where lego is concerned perhaps, but the principal holds... nothing stays the same! Its not a bad thing.

I just want to see speed builds... don't care who from, i prefer to go on my own gut feeling from what i see in the build to be honest. 9/10 times i close the vid's before it gets to the scoring part as they're not relevant to me. Of all the reviews, @Jim 's seem closest to my own thoughts, they're more glass-half-full rather than being too critical. But, reviews are just opinions.. no matter how objective the reviewer tries to be.. and the only opinion that opens my wallet is my own! (and my wife's...) Bring on the speed builds, thats where the truth is..

Damage is a bigger concern. Lego tyres generate a lot of grip compared to the strength of the gears. Its very easy to destroy them. Each diff you lock (or remove) increases the wind-up in the transmission.. a steered chassis sees the front axle follow a different path to the rear, so really you need a central diff to sort it out, though that wind-up is less obvious than on an axle... but unless the tranny is stronger than the grip, boom. build it and try it, but be prepared for damage (unless you're on a low-grip polished floor) Also, have you investigated pull-in-turn.. where the front axle receives more torque than the rear to reduce turning circle. Thats a more interesting concept that locking everything.. torque vectoring is a proper challenge, i did have an idea how to achieve it, but don't think it would work...

i think the radius of the original tyre is about 81mm (?) and the 42082 tyre is 94.. thats roughly a 15% increase in the radius, and the radius is the length of lever the motor has to turn, so small wheels will always increase the motor's ability to accelerate it. Wheel weight will have an effect too, as its mass that needs to be accelerated, but i the radius is the biggest factor between those 2 wheels (rpm at the wheel is pretty low, so the effect of accelerating the mass will be negligible) gear it down by an extra 15% and you'll have the same performance as the original, but with bigger tyres... Don't gear it down by 15%... thats the radius, circumference is the relevant length! Use pi to get the correct percentage!!

I wasn't defending - see below.. in the interests of balance, i was putting forward the alternative to the loud negativity.. in all walks of life, forums, politics etc, the positive point of view is usually the quietest. I don't think thats a good thing.