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Yoyo08190, your english is really hard to read and understand...

May i ask you if you have a part list whoch can be imported into rebrickable? great tatra! actually i never wanted to build a tatra, but yours with this brutal wheels has convinced me, that i should give it a tray...

I never was in GBC. Now i have read this topic and i have to say: Just WOW. Incredible what can be achieved if some talented guys are working together. My hat to you, very admirable. And all these BI for free. Very altruistic! Well, because i have quite no system parts and buying all these parts via bricklink would not be allowed by my wife ;-), i had the idea, just to build one or max two of these modules. So may i ask you GBC akiyuki experts for an advice: Which one would you recommend if i could build exactly one, so what is the one and only? Which two would you recommend if i could build two. These two should be able to be linked together quite easily, ie. the output of the first should directly go in the Input of the second one. A side-constraint: would be great if the recommened modules would not contain too many rare parts, which are quize uncatchable Any advices? Thanks a lot in advance!

:-) Sorry for the dummy but im sure you know how it was meant by me ;-) Easy to follow is not the most important aspect for BI. It is important, of course, but being correct and resulting in a working model is IMHO even more important... Well, but now i will end ms discussion about the BI because this has the model and TeClement not earned. The BI are good enough for experienced builders to get at the end a awesome Model wirhout weakpoints. But switching on your Brain and your creativity during the build is necessary for that goal... Maybe next time pretester should be not only be told cheching easyness to follow but also correctness and functionality of the resulting Model. Again just a friendly advice and also just my 2 ct

Yes, i know, over the time you are getting somehow blind because you know the model inside out ;-) But i'm wondering how a building instruction tester could oversee e.g. - that the crane collides with the bed so the model doesn't work in its primary function - that the door frame isn't properly fixed on the door because in the instructions a black pin has been missed this is not testing what i had in my mind Anyway - no worries! as written above: i'm really thankful that you have made these overall well done instructions ! Otherwise i could never build this great MOC... Take my words about instructions just as a friendly advice: use dummy beta tester as pre-builders who have never seen the model before...and let them try out all functions/features after the build... TeClement told me that he is very busy ....

and the 8880 gear selector is still the best one TLG has ever made...

Have i already said that this car is incredible... indeed, seems to be the new benachmark for lego supercars, kudos to you, Pvdb! BTW: would pay almost every prize for building instructions of this marvel and beauty...... ;-)

this comment triggered me to add a further paragraph to the instructions-chapter in my review above...

well, as promised here comes my review of this MOC: First two pics of the finished truck - sorry for poor quaility, they were shot yesterday evening with iPhone... The Model: This MOC is really really great stuff – here are my scores: Looks: 10/10 - it simply looks perfect, it resembles perfectly a MAN Truck, proportions, flow, colors, all is very coherent - addionally many details as ladders and some more... perfect cabin (but i have the strong suspicion that the cabin design has been strongly "inspired" by the cabin of Maddocas Wing Body Truck - its almost the same in its basic design) and front-bumper...perfectly intergrated IR-receivers and also battery box Building Experience: 10/10 - building this MOC feels for 99% as if you would build a official TLG flagship model - very clever designs, well thought part usage Playability: 11/10 - regarding this the model really stands out: the crane can really lift something (in contrary to - e.g. the 8258 crane which can barely lift more than a feather ;-), but the unique selling point of this model is the manual mode for driving steering - so kids can do "vrooming" - for kids IMHO it is much better if such models can drive and steer manually - TeClement has achieved that both worlds come together in one model: RC for adults, manual for kids - and the manual mode is simply switched on by the mode-selector by the remote (but if you use a clutch gear instead of a standard 24th for the mode-selecting M-motor - as recommended by me some postings above - then you can also switch mode by hand --> very cool!) Features: 11/10 TeClement has simply packed all in what you can image - (RC drive/steer, manual HOG-steer, drive, RC outriggers front and rear, RC crane slewing, RC 1st arm, RC second arm, manual extracting 2nd arm, RC mode-switching between RC-drive-mode, RC-crane-mode, manual-drive-mode, tiltable cabin, openable doors, fake V6 engine, front suspension, rear suspension by double life axle, double wheel at the rear, openable bed-doors) Performance: 10/10 - all features work absolutely reliable and save and very smooth, this is especially important for the crane - rear suspension is one of the best (and most elegantly designed) i have ever seen in such a big truck Design and construction: 9,5/10 - very good modularity and - even more important - the marriages between the modules are always very easy - which is often not the case with such complex MOCs - very well thought through design - as already said: This is TLG desgin quality - very clever motorization - uses the same principle as 8043 excavator by using just 4 motors for 7 motorized functions (6 motorized features plus 1 RC mode selection)...why not 10/10? well, two things are not optimally braced and reinforced IMHO: the mode-selection motor-housing and both drive-trains for the rear outriggers - but for the former one someone has posted a MOD above and for the latter one i develeoped a simple but effective MODs which fixes the weakpoint --> with these MODs applied i would give also here a 10/10... Design Highlights: - Double life rear axle: so elegant, minimalistic but ver effective and robust - but i have again the strong suspicion that this double rear axle design has been borrowed almost completely from Madoccas Wing Body Truck - its more or less identical - mode-switching gearbox: complex but clean at all - hinge for the cabin tilt - last but not least the most outstanding: the flexible but still powerful connection between drive-motor-gearbox-output and the rear axles: very very clever part usage never seen before... Part usage: 10/10: All parts are very common and easily and quite cheap to buy via Bricklink if you miss some of them - this is IMHO a very big advantage of this MOC. BTW: a very good starting point for this MOCs is: 8258+8070+9397+42009 - more as half of the parts come already from the 8258 - and you can really dismantle the 8258 because this MAN trucks performs "him" completely out and make it quite obsolete... and i loved the 8258... The only small critism I could make is: the truck is really heavy at the front so IMHO on the front-axle there is a little bit too much weight … the 4 hard springs on the front axle are a little bit too weak, so the truck doesn’t come up after suspension has been compressed under normal niveau (which is already compressed) – I would say the truck almost could need 6 of them… do not misunderstand: the front suspension works well if only one tire must be suspended but if you press fully down the cabin the 4 springs are too weak to bring up the truck at normal niveau again - but it is a minor weakpoint, it does not prevent 1% from using or playong with this model... So far to the model itself. Summary: Belongs easily to the best MOCs i have ever build - and i have build already a lot of complex MOCs discussed here at EB. Strongly recommened for all technic enthusiasts! The instructions: Now some remarks to the instrcutions, selled by TeClement: In general they are very well done, great stepping, very well modularity, easy to follow but not too easy, so exactly right for an AFOL. But nevertheless i have to complain a little bit. Why? Because it seems that really nobody has tested this BI by building the model exactly as described and displayed by this BI. And this is not good, at least not for BIs selled for 15€ - for this price they contain too much errors. Most of the errors where no big deals but some of them are also misleading and prevent the model from working...as for example the collision between the crane and the bed or the missed fix for the door frame...fixable for an experianced builder (and i have all of them fixed and also commented in the BI), no question, but also slightly annoying. But: please feel not offended and also do not think i'm ungrateful. In contrary! I'm an AFOL who could never design something complex like such a truck from scratch for myself - i'm good in modding (also deep mods) of existing models but that's it. So i'm very very grateful against all those BI-masters who make stepped BIs, regardless if for free or selled for money - well done job earns also money, no questions! I know also, that making such BIs needs huge efforts and makes probably less fun than designing and building a new model ;-). So: I'm thankful for such TLG-like BIs! But nevertheless i would advice that such a BI must be beta-tested by following exatcly the steps of the BI before you can sell them. On the other side i must admit: Somehow non perfect BI gives the builder an interesting challenge - and this was the case for the MAN BI - there are no showstoppers contained, all errors are fix- and correctable. And to be honest: There are no errors which causes completely dismanteling the almost finished model onyl to be able to correct an error at step 7 ;-) so if you like some challlenges during the build (as i do for myself) then i can recommend also the currently available BI. If you want to be errorsave during building you should wait until the errata are released. Nevertheless: Selled BI should be pretested and as errorfree as possible. All of my comments and suggestions in the BI have been sent to TeClement... Final words: Building this model gives me some hours (spaned over 4 days) of really great building fun and the final results is a awesome and - in some criterias - also outstanding MOC - which ennobles my shelf

well, my intention for today was to write up a review for the now finished crane, a review full of high praising, but hmm, don't count your chickens before they're hatched is a wise sentence…. ;-) well, after giving the truck my son to play with it, we encountered a serious problem – the crane can not slew 360 degree without colliding with the rear-most middle panel of the bed – the yellow bent liftarm 9x5 collides with its lower end with this panel, so slewing is blocked – has anybody already finished this MOC and has anybody encountered the same problem? so how did TeClement operating over the bed in his video?? And I HAVE built the hole stuff (crane, crane-base, chassis) as shown in the BI – 3x checked… either the truck in the video is build slightly different (compared to the BI) regarding the mounting position of the crane or.. I’m clueless… can you give me an advice? currently the only solution which came into my mind is: replacing the rear-most middle bed-panel with a combination of 1 beam 5L and 5 beams 9L so this "fake" becomes 1L shorter so the crane has enough space to slew 360 degrees... other ideas out there? BTW: i have massively commented the standard BIs - there are some more errors as already listed above, some of them quite misleading - i have send the commented pdf to TeClement so he can include all the stuff in its errate-release... BTW-2: i will write the review later when i have fixed the slewing problem - and it will still be full of praising... summary in advance: belongs easily to the best MOCs i have ever build - and i have already build a lot of high-end MOCs shown here in EB... ;-) this is one of the errors in te BI - turn the rims around - then the track gauge is narrower and correct! colliding with the ladder is not the only problem resulting from this error: if mounted wrong then the track gauge is way to wide and the front-axle bents and could be damaged! anyway, turn around and Bob will be your uncle ;-)

with lego all is possible - you have just to switch on your creativity.... but there are no instructions for PF-ing Hans C-model of 42009... BTW: THis is the thread of MrTekneex Car transporter and not of Hans model.....

Ah. Yes, that could be...

well, the right side bracing with the 3x3 thin liftarm is clever and would work properly, but the left side would not: there is not enough room for placing this black axle and pin connector #1 - cause of these two outer LBG triangles ... anyway: i will apply the right side with the 3x3 liftarm - i think this bracing should be enough...

Another error IMHO: page 136, step 9 - IMHO there essentialy must be used a white clutch gear instead of a standard 24th gear for switching gears - otherwise it's quite easy (should i say unavoidable - at least for kids) to damage the housing and fixing of the connected M-motor. In general the fixing and bracing of this gear switching motor looks like a somehow mediocre design - not at the same level of quality than the rest of the model... but when using a white cutch gear it is ok for me and it works well and save - at least i see no disadvantage by using a cutch gear, just a big advantage... In the same context i would use page 24, step 47 a 7L axle instead of a 6L - then the axle will have a better bearing at step 126, page 137 because it is also beared by the outer LBG triangle... and on page 140, step 129 the PF 20L extension cable is missed in the "needed parts"-box and i think on page 142, step 131 it is also safer to use a white clutch gear for driving the outriggers ... Thoughts?

Well, good to hear i have understood the model By the way: the design is outstanding. Not one Part too much. This design has TLG quality. Complex and simple at once. Kudos to TeClem8

ähm, no - you are wrong - the M-motor for switching the gears is housed at the right side of the truck (if you look from rear to front) - and at this right side the bracing has been done - see page 20, step 38 and 39 (here are the preparements) and see page 30, step 60 (here the bracing itself is done via a 3L blue pin! I'm asking why on the left side (again looking from rear to front), where NO further motor will be housed, this bracing is not be done - AFAIS in the BI there is no reason why this bracing should not be done... so the mysterium is that the reinforced side will house a M motor whereas thre NOT reinforced side will not - so exactly the very reverse of your answer ... ;-) at least if we talk about the same reinforcement (i talk about that which is done at page 30, step 60 and which is prepared at page 20 steps 38 and 39...) Could you please check again, thank you! BTW-1: of course i do not mind it's you answering ;-) BTW-2: overall this BI are a real pleasure to follow and have a really very high quality, near TLG-quality! thank you for these hints, very valueable!

@TeClem8: currently building your outstanding truck - the BI and the building experience is a real pleasure - nevertheless i have a question: At page 20 in step 38 and 39 you prepare bracing the LBG gearbox stuff to the vertical 7L black beam with a black axle and pin connector perpendicular (step 39) and a blue axle pin (from step 38). I'm wondering why the same will never be done on the other (left) side - IMHO this is an error in the BI because the LBG beams bearing the gearbox should also be braced on the left side. So here my question: Is this lacked intentionally or is this an error? Thanks for answering!

hihi - me too - building Grazis Tow truck is the best thing you could do with the 5571 - worth every cent andevery minute you spent...

If you really find a compkete one with BI and Box for just(!!) 200€ you are very very lucky! Here in Germany about 150 just for the parts, ie w/out box is an absolutely normal prize. With Box and BI is very very seldom to find at all... So go for it for 200€ with Box and BI... You can always resell for this price if you dont like it...

Stability and robustness are IMHO the most relevant counter-arguments against RC of the forthcoming Porsche... if RC at all then it will be slow and children-proof RCing like current IR stuff - regardless if 16+ is mentioned on the pre-box - without throwing time-honored and essential lego principles right out the window lego technic car are not suitable for real and fast RC driving - and i can not imagine that TLG would change these principles - so what i can imagine is: - The Porsche will come without any RC - or it comes with RC like current IR-based PF which can be switchen on / off - so vrooming is possible - and people who want necessarily remote control the car they can do it as well..

indeed top notch :thumbup: :thumbup: :wub: :wub: - would simply raise to nr. 1 of my to supercar MOC build list if there would BI availble...

To make a short list of 6 candidates for voting is quite easy but then deciding for a sequence is a quite hard job - too many really very very good entries - only exception: For me the gold medal is no discussion - zbij Rally racer / F1 car is outstanding - could be released as official TLG set and would be a great success... well, here my voting: 17: 10 3: 6 16 :4 4: 3 5: 2 10: 1 Congrats for all entries - really well done!

me too - especially if you take into account the 200€ of the - functionwise - boring 41999 crawler - well, the 41999 had about 80€ PF parts, but on the other side just half of the parts the 42056 will contain (estimated)... overall i would rate the 299€ for the Porsche as not overprized even without RC parts - part count + Porsche licence + new parts + the load of nifty car functions (probably) make it at least as good valued as the 41999...# just my 2ct

I fully agree with brunojj. 8070 has no gear selecting, well, but in all ither aspects inkl. look i know no MOC which i would rate a better car especially for less than 1300 parts

well - if all mechanisms of the Porsche are as nifty as the gearbox / gearshifting then this set could become the real successor of 8880 - and then i don't care if it is RC or not - then it will be a real supercar and i will buy it... IMHO it is high time that TLG kicks our butts regarding building / designing real supercars and a real 100% reliable sequential gearbox, which doesn't need just for itself the space of a small car ;-), would be a big leap forward