nerdsforprez

Man thanks so much for sharing this..... this really is one of the best MOCs out there..... IMO... of anything, any genre, etc. Really, truly, so much fun to look at and read about....

I love this! I would also like to see the "heart" - I did a lighting kit for the AROCS back when it was out But mine was static.... not dynamic like yours. I guess it is unclear if your project is all Lego or you are using something else. I know Sariel's book had several pages dedicated to turn signals, blinking lights, etc.... did you use something like that as a reference?

*sigh* I have given up on my own thread. Some great responses here... really are, and I appreciate everyone's opinion, but last i checked (forgive me if I have missed anyone) no one, not a single response, has really targeted my question. Perhaps I am not very good at defining it. This post was not intended to get everyone's opinion on pricing.... or whether or not they will be buying the set. I think we have enough of that on the regular Porsche thread. There simply are some inconsistencies between the outrage of the price of the set and, historically, what sets have cost. I pointed out one salient fact that no one is addressing. Understanding that PPP certainly has its flaws (believe me, I know it does) it still is a metric of cost of a set. The heavy lift crane doesn't have anything special in terms of pieces, so I can make the argument that it is comparable (I already pointed out that even w/o the PF functions.... the set is still higher PPP-wise, than the Porsche..... and the rotors are nothing special.... the cost of those can easily be subsumed by the rims and tires of the Porsche) to the Porsche... and it is MORE than the Porsche. So is 9396..... so is.... the Grand Prix Racer. Others, which..... true, have tons of PF functions, but if you get rid of 25, even 35% of the cost they are still more (according to PPP). The list goes on and on (which I already delineated). Just doesnt seem to be a lot of critical thinking going on here. Why aren't people using this in their decision making processes? People keep bringing up the comparison between the Porsche and the AROCS b/c it is similar in piece count. This is insufficient. Most on here have at least some statistical training.... and we all know that it is much better to look at a range of scores, rather than one, to make decisions about sets of numbers. Yes... I have only also provided a few examples.... but look at the whole set of numbers I gave..... the Porsche really is not the outlier that everyone says it is. An outlier from a range of scores, not the single numerical difference between two isolated scores, is the salient factor here. But all is good. Again I love everyone's opinion.. ... good to hear from everyone. Honestly, I guess I have a little of an ulterior motive. My occupation involves researching people, their decisions, cognitive psychology, etc. and I see a pattern here that concerns me. I see potential (nothing definitive.... I could certainly be wrong ) of people making an emotional decision here based on a price tag.... which is fine. Some people simply can't afford the set. No problem. But some can but won't because of an emotional reaction to a certain number when, if they sit down and really look at some other information they will see past emotion and realize that perhaps the set is not that bad a value after all (maybe..... maybe it is ) Thanks again for all the responses... --- I may not respond much more to this post...... I think it has more or less ran its course. One wise poster has already pointed out that all the nay-sayers may be eating their words anyways when the reviews come out. How many responses do we get like that.... after a review from Jim or something..... perhaps that is the real thing to focus on here....

As has been pointed out only about a cajillion times the "camo" version was and never is a serious color for the car. They are prints only used to mask the car before a final unveiling. Fairly common even in the real world for supercars. Although it may be still fun to wonder about which looks better, not sure there is much sense in it given that it was never a serious contender for color in the first place.

Could not disagree more. Static numbers have little meaning in and of themselves. Statistically speaking. The difference between 100 and 200 is net to nothing if the standard deviation is 1000. We never know this without a recognition of the relative value of numbers. People (especially politicians and sports newscasters) often say "let me share with you some stats" and then throw out some numbers. Why are the "stats"? - because they are compared to other values. If what you are saying is true then the price tag, say, on a set with 1000 parts, PF functions, actuators and the like would still be technically, more expensive than "any of these" - and therefore people would be put off by that price???? No way. People would be flocking to a set like that. Relative value MEANS ALOT. Perhaps, PPP is not the right metric, that is one example among 1000.....flawed or not it is one metric that is commonly used. Still, not one person has addressed the question of this post which is .... could not our uproar be due to a social phenomenon versus something real? Again, I am not arguing PPP is the best metric... it is just an example. But flawed or not.... it does not suggest that the Porsche model is really all that bad of a value. Throw absolute cost out the window...... NO ONE really is discussing that. Check out the thread. Everyone is talking about the price in terms of PF functions, packaging, the booklet, license.. etc.....By way of value let's look at the actual data and not personal "feel" or "gut reaction" -- I would argue that compared to other sets, with PF functions, or not.... exclusive or not... the Porsche does not look like a bad value. Perhaps a bad value according to your own personal value system of how much you like this function or that, PF or not, .. I get that. But don't consider your own personal tastes, objectively.... is it really that bad??

Sincerely, I apologize if this creates too much commotion, there already has been so much hubaloo about this already. Jim, forgive me if this is redundant of what is already in the Porsche thread... but this question burns me and I dont want to infiltrate the Porsche thread anymore with what is below. I don't understand the commotion about the new Porsche price tag. Is this a case of members just being emotional or is there some objective grounds for the frustration? This is nothing in-depth, I am moving offices and therefore don't have access to my stats software and am too lazy to really calculate anything (not to mention really small sample) but check out the large sets in the past seven years or so of price per piece values..... AROCS 8.2 42009 8.4 Uh-40 9.8 Heavy L helicopter 13.4 24 hour race car 10.7 Crwler crane 10.7 Crgo plane 10.8 Volvo 15.3 Grand prix 11.4 Service truck 10.2 9396 11.4 9397 10.7 9398 15.1 8070 9.4 8043 17.8 8053 7.8 Tractor with trailer 9.1 ( I only went back seven years or so... going back further inflation really would begin to make a difference) I don't really see anything out of the ordinary. The price tag of the Porsche looks like normal variation to me. Yes, most of the above sets have PF. But not all. In fact, the Grand Prix racer (42000) didn't and its PPP value is actually HIGHER (11.4) than the Porsche (11.1). You didn't hear all the clamor about that set as you do with the Porsche. Same with 9396. Higher than the Porsche and no PF functions. No licensing, no special packaging, nothing. Yet, per piece, it was more expensive. All the HL Helicopter has for PF is a battery box and M motor and it costs 13.4 center PP. Take away those items (lets assume fair value is $10 for battery box and 8 for the motor) and you have a price of 11.7 PP. Quite a bit more than the Porsche. The Volvo Loader, which we all agreed was expensive.... was 15.3 PP. But chock-full of PF right? So that justified the price tag--- right? Well, even if we took away ONE-FOURTH of its price tag... (like 62.50) ... its PPP would still be higher than the Porsche (249.99-62.50 = 187.49 / 1636 = 11.5). Similarly, you can take away over one-third of the price tag of 8043 and it would still be more expensive (according to PPP) than the Porsche. Is it possible that we are over-reacting a bit to the pricing? Is it possible that we are looking at a social phenomenon versus something where there is objective evidence to support the price hype?

First time I bought an Apple product I was blown away with the packaging. It was artistic in its own right. I agree with Nick. Premium product needs premium packaging. No one goes to aPorsche shop looking for something at a bargain price. They want the whole experience. Salesman/woman dressed nice. Premium coffee offered to them. Impeccable showroom. Be honest guys and gals.... If you went shopping for such a vehicle in real life you would walk away if all the above weren't present. Presentation matters

. I think what they meant to say was "visualize"....Forgive me if this has already been addressed.... But the brickset article cited 2700 something pieces but the you tube video clearly indicated 2900. Anyone care to clarify??

It might be a collectors item in several years. If this statement is being made because of the assumption that in the next several years we will see several of these type of huge, 3000 piece plus supercar I'd be careful. I think TLG is testing us as afols. If it sells good then yes this may start a trend. But.... And it's a big but.... If it doesn't then this set will be huge. And so far... The biggest news of this set has nothing to do with looks or features.... But it's PRICE! if this deters too many people then we may not see another for a long time.... If ever.

My contribution.... and just to be clear, Jim has opened this thread for all such MOCs. Let us post all such nonsense... err... I mean MOCs, accordingly... Oceanliner Exactly ten pieces.....

I read all the posts in this thread and honestly, not sure if there is a consensus one way or another. For what it is worth here are my thoughts: @JDL1967 - I did not think that you initial post in this thread was rude. I can only assume that you received some PMs from some members (not me) that they thought you were laying the nano, or micro, or whatever posts on a little thick. Or just began something a little, in their opinion, annoying. You responded, IMO, with courtesy and according to the consideration of other members and I think that is the exact way to respond on a forum like this. At least out of a consideration of the members of the site/forum. If others saw your initial post as abrasive, I wonder (and please don't take this the wrong way) if it had more to do with a language barrier issue than a rudeness issue. I encourage others to at least consider this possibility. I did not see your response as rude at all. I am all for aggregating all "nano" or "micro" or whatever builds into one thread. I think these builds are cute, interesting, and can even inspire some interesting connections/methods of building. In one thread such posts will become known and predictable and therefore if people dont want to look, it will be easy for them not to. But when there are multiple, then it is difficult (unless we also qualify each post with something like "mini, micro, nano") to ascertain if it is a larger, normal MOC or one of these nano types. Therefore, I am not for posting new ones every time someone wants to post one. Combine them into one..... that is great. I may even add one of my own later today.

I am sure there are many configurations. I used a similar configuration with the pulley wheels a while ago when I made an ultimate version of 42025

Batman called. He wants his dump truck back. Lol.... But seriously, great job. See my full comments on mocpages post

Nothing boring about this at all. I think it is important to keep in mind, great builds and builders notwithstanding, Technic fans appreciate variety. There are several threads even asking for non-wheeled or non-vehicle MOCS. Not everything has to be out of this world gorgeous to be appreciated. Even though you're build is

This post seems to have taken a drastic turn. Not for the better, not for the worse, just a drastic turn. Not sure how much any of it applies anymore to the original. I have been following this post for a while, not quite sure how to respond b/c of the changes. The initial post asked the question if TLG was catching the status of modern MOCers. Yes... the title indicates supercars, which is incorrect, but I think what the OP wanted to target was Lego Technic in general. Is it catching up to the looks and functions of the MOCers. IMO - no. And likely never will. Technic models put out by TLG have many, many limitations on them, which MOCers don't necessarily share. Too many limitations to list. Safety, cost effectiveness, can it be easily reproduced, time, etc the list goes on and on. Kinda common sense stuff here. Not really fair to compare the two. The question of adding panels and how it relates to looks is kinda a weird discussion IMO. To me it completely seems just a matter of personal opinion. There is no right or wrong. Comparison of older, studded models to current ones also seem inaccurate. What often is ignored is that we are comparing pure looks (current models) to looks + a social construct. What do I mean by a social construct? Historical models will always hold a place in our hearts because they carry personal or social meaning to us (i.e. they are a "classic"). Regardless of its actual looks, no one will dare say that 8880 is not even close to as good looking to modern MOC supercars, because it is a "classic" (even if it were true) and one would be lambasted by the community for not continuing its glory. A glory we all share because it has historical ties to it.... our childhood, first lego model, etc.......Current models can't be compared to this. So the comparison is not objective. It carries a huge bias.

thanks. I had the feeling that it was something quite extreme. This really is a great model. and btw... the first pic, with the light coming through the tires, :wub: IMO one of the best pics of a technic MOC I have seen out there.....

This is great, to be sure.......not sure if I am alone in this or not but I like combining a lot of elements together to save space. For example, I often combine some types of pins together. Also, not sure if most builders out there have enough elements to warrant different stickers for each and every Technic element out there. Other than that a great little system ya got there....one that likely most have also produced, in some shape or form, and are currently using.

But"A" for effort (leaf springs). Wonderful job. Love your stuff.... Always have. Little smoother this time....(few studs) but I like the look.

Any update on the gearing on this beast? I'm curious. So slow (appropriately so...i.e. Not a bad thing) on buggy motors I bet the gearing is something crazy.

I think that the last statement here might be an important piece to the Porsche Price Puzzle.... or PPP :laugh: -- the PPP might come down to the fact that sets with many pieces, but are more spread out due to large height, length, etc (such as 42009 or the BWE) might contain more pins and 3l axles per the overall piece count of the set than a set with a high number of pieces but is more compact, such as this one (and perhaps less pins and small axles per overall piece count). That would be an interesting thing to examine when the set is released. The question might be phrased such as Does the Porsche have less pins and 3l axles, relative to its overall size, than say 42009 or the BWE? Also, I recommend perhaps splitting this thread into another topic. One regarding the PPP. Lately that seems to be the only topic of interest on this set, and it is the reason why it is now 50 pages long. Reading the recent posts it is very apparent no one is fully reading or following the post, and all that has really been commented on is the price. The color of the model detoured the conversation into something a little more beneficial, but it quickly diverted back to price. Clearly the price of the model is more important to people than the actual set itself, and IMO therefore deserves its own thread.

No need to apologize..... asking questions like this, veterans or novices alike, that is the purpose for forums such as this. BTW..... @februar88 - great first post. I love it when people are new but post something that is outstanding. Ditto to what as been said...especially love the "punisher" sticker on the hood.....

If you like to watch truck trial videos..... youtube the king of the hammers..... you are in for a treat...

Maybe orange really IS the new black....

Yes, please find more time to build and post your models :laugh: - just joking but only partly. This build is a joy to look at. I love the engine compartment and the underside. Even the rear axle looks real from looking at the behind of the truck. Very well built. I know the scaling is different, so the new Xerion tires would not work for this model, but it the scaling were different it would be interesting to see what the model would look like with such tires. The real 'mog has much narrower tires....I expect a lot of builds to come out like this one but at a different scale and with the new tires when the Xerion comes out.

Also..... They're are kits available for rc so that you can get your building fix on....