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Yea, this is a distinction that deserves a mention. There certainly is a difference between simple complaints b/c an official set doesn't have the features you want, or is not in the color you want, etc., and functions that are poorly designed, flawed gearboxes, etc. The former could be characterized as a complaint whereas the latter as an observation. Good distinction. And many official sets are guilty of the latter. In fact I think that this is where previously this thread got a little weird for me. When some well-known members were trying to make the argument that official sets were better optimized and configured with better part count and usage than MOCs. That is so odd a claim....no one in their right mind can actually believe that. We have example after example of after official sets are released their designs are improved on immediately. And not on subjective matters; but on objective ones. Working gearboxes, not so flimsy parts, etc.....

So, I am going to bump this topic b/c the topic of this thread is infiltrating the Lambo topic. In all honesty, I really don't think the comparison of MOC versus TLG models is really much of a comparison at all. To summarize this topic, if we try and pit them against eachother about who is superior I think we really step in dirty, murky water because we first have to define what "superior" means. I don't want to get into it, because you will get folks, like in this thread, who try to argue that superiority rests on creative parts usage, building experience, etc. Hogwash. I think it is fairly clear that MOCs from our best builders out there beat official sets hands down. I think the real interesting aspect of the argument rests in "why are we comparing the two in the first place?" It has been well established that there are vast and categorical (not just qualitative) differences between the restrictions placed on MOCers versus official set builders. These differences preclude and, IMO, make little sense for an accurate comparison. But again, why do we even want to compare? The building goals of each are entirely different; and I for one am very happy they are. To be in our hobby, it takes literally billions and billions of pieces. Think of the large numbers at work here. There are hundreds of members on this site, and thousands more AFOLS and children not on this site, with collections of tens of thousands, some with hundreds of thousands of pieces. Hard to wrap your mind around the numbers here. Someone needs to produce all those pieces. That takes an immense infrastructure, resources, materials, personnel, etc. (I could go on and on and on). This only occurs when your main goal is to sell, sell, sell. And that is TLG. That is their priority and the thinking that goes into each and every set, Technic or otherwise. They don't give a rip about functions, Ackerman steering, your preferred color scheme, etc. They can care about all those things, but only to the extent that it makes a set marketable. If they don't, they don't care. And there is my emphasis. THAT IS A GOOD THING. If TLG were about anything more than selling sets then there would not be the quantity of bricks in the world that there are now because there would not be the demand. Our hobby would not be what it is today if TLG were not all about selling, selling, selling. Do we want our AFOLs to have the same goals when they build? Of course not. So, right from the gate we have different priorities and goals for any such build. Different goals will lead to different focus, which is just a cloaked way of saying "restrictions." This is not rocket science folks. It exists in virtually every aspect of industry. Hyper-car manufacturers are building for the ultra rich, and typically a very select and restricted number of vehicles. Ford build for the masses. That is not to say that Ford CAN'T build to the quality of say, Ferrari, but that they WON'T b/c it is not in the blueprint of why they are building. Again, not rocket science IMO. Kinda a no-brainer. For my two cents, not only are official sets not the quality of MOC sets, - I've said it in the past and I will say it again: Official Lego sets are not in the same camp of quality as MOCs. AND I AM GLAD IT IS THAT WAY. I don't want TLG to shift their focus from churning out official sets the way they do. EVEN IF that might mean sets suffer in quality. Because as you shift to the specific, the elite, you lose quantity. You lose quantity you lose demand, and you don't generate gobs and gobs of product. You think Lego is expensive now? You don't even want to see what kind of hobby we would have if TLG would shift their focus in that direction. We would lose 80% of the AFOLs we have now.....

There was a great conversation about MOC vs. official Technic sets almost exactly this time last year. Perhaps we should direct our comments regarding MOC and TLG official set quality there. I will post mine there right now. For what it is worth the thread is a bit disjointed because it arose out of kinda the same process. 42099 was being released and folk's were complaining big time. They were comparing 42099 with MOCs and their respective climbing quality. I suspect similar arguments/complaints will arise year after year on official set threads; perhaps when they do they should be directed to the thread above.

I think you have asked this about a half dozen times already. Not quite sure if asking, asking and asking again is producing the result you want.....

Yes! I've started a movement! Lol.... Jokes aside, love this model. I can see that suspension as REAL playability. Not sure why an official Lego model or two can't be like this. Not huge, certainly marketable, perhaps a challenge but a do-able build, etc. Funny, a while back there was a little back-and-forth between myself and several other well-known EB members on the quality of build between MOCers and real official Lego models. They were trying to argue that official models were just as good as the best MOCers. Lol.... I don't think I even need to say anything more....

Wouldnt it be cool if this somehow prompted TLG to produce/release some teaser to dispel the notion that this is a copy of 42115 (if indeed it is not)

Lol...... that is funny. I had the exact opposite reaction. I was thinking.... "well, one good thing is that if this is a copy of the real thing, at least my pocket book will stave this one off (I bought both 42056 and 83), b/c this this is so ugly there is not way I am getting it..."

Wow... this seems to be the best contest to date. So many entries! Its gonna take hours to rate everything....

Forget the car fitting in the competition's size restrictions...... will the engine? All jokes aside.... really like what you have done so far. Keep it up! I will be watching this one closely.

As others have mentioned, I love this entry. Don't worry that it may be different than others. I think that is one of the things that makes it unique. But all the functions, in such a small package, IMO, is what makes your entry unique. Big points in my book. Its not easy to make such a unique entry for a "car" contest, especially when there are so many size constraints. As for the body work, I actually really like the body work. It works for a submission that is supposed to be "futuristic" - which yours is.....

I also think this is a great idea. I referenced this engine on another thread discussing @T Lego's new Centenario (front paged). My own version of the Chiron's W16. Little small for scale, but not by much. Pics are on my flickr page... (below)

Yes, I totally agree. In fact, not sure that @vectormatic's comment about the engine is a true critique, but rather (and a point he makes very well himself) just a difference in taste; and one cannot litigate or objectify personal taste. The complaint about scale is not resolved with using the typical fake engine parts used by TLG b/c they would indeed be too long for this. A V12 out of the fake engine elements would be at least, what, 26 studs long (b/c of the brackets on the end)? I remember building the W16 in 42083 and thinking it was the ugliest, most obstreperous contraption I had ever seen. So, I created my own version of the W16. Still out of scale, yes, but IMO looked better and less clunky than the contraption the set came with. My point is, for 1/8 scale cars in Technic scaling problems are going to be a given. Either too large or too small. So pick your poison. IMO, your version is hands down better of an option than using TLG elements. One is not better than the other just a matter of taste. Many folks are hating on the mini engine movement - but man love it as well and I am one of them. I prefer such engines to TLG elements by far. I have been saying this for a while now: we have gotten a slew of new elements from TLG supercars. New disk brakes, gear wave selector, etc., .... IMO it is now time for an update on the engine parts. We have had them for what, 30+ years? Time for an update..... BTW.... I forgot to comment on the car. Beautiful job. I love it. Overall, folk's skill in building supercars is really reaching a new level. I love the modularity, the resemblance to building a real car, the monocoque, the functions, etc. I was being burnt out of supercars from TLG. Both 42056 and 83 were ho-hum IMO, so I built a few supercars by elite MOCers (@brunojj1's P1, @Didumos69's rough supercar) and my love for building such sets has been revitalized. If I get the chance, I would love to build this too.....

Wow.... extremely interesting drive train.....I will watch this thread with gusto....

Thxs! I will likely provide updates on this thread as they become available.....

I have been away from my Lego collection for nearly two years. My job requires I live abroad or travel alot. Everything I have Lego-wise is locked away in storage. And right now with COVID-19, despite spending alot of time at home I cannot access it. I don't plan on this continuing forever though. I am amid a career-change and our family anticipates being able to purchase a real house, with real space soon, and I plan on having a real Lego-room. It will be a room for all things tinkering, really, because I have a variety of projects and hobbies that I dabble in. Anyways, it will have a industrial-themed design to it. My Lego building table will be thick natural wood or concrete. Natural elements mixed with man-made industrialism. Concrete table such as: Or..... the official Lego page for 42100 also has pictures of builders using concrete tables: Natural wood tables are popular right now and I think they are beautiful. In fact, I picked up a beautiful wood slab on a trip to S. Korea last year that I might use. The official Lego page for the new Imperial Star Destroyer shows a little of what a natural wood table might look like: Because I have been home alot, but don't have my Lego collection, I have been building other things. For my Lego room, as well as other places in our soon-to-be home, I have repurposed old bicycle parts into lamps. Nearly all these lamps have been created from parts either from old bicycles I have owned or purchased, or from spare parts I have found on the side of the road. Each comes with a memory as I can remember exactly the ride when I found the part. A few times, however, I have purchased a part or two new off Amazon or Ebay. I am an avid cyclist and mountain-biker, so these lamps have a lot of meaning to me..... Here is just one example: I found the top piece, ball-bearing for vehicle wheel hub - just laying off to the side of the road while on a bike ride here in Texas. The other parts I used from a mountain bike tire that completed failed on my during a particularly hard ride. The small piece you see to the lower-right is the back of an aviation-instrument piece I found at a Korean pawn shop and purchased for only 15 bucks USD. I was so excited for that one..... Each lamp is unique but not all are completed. Some are missing the electric parts and bulbs but you still get the idea.... Anyways, just thought I would share. We are still a ways off from completing our transition and therefore me getting my Lego-room, and other priorities are more important (i.e. getting kids set up school, work, etc) but I am excited about this. I will provide updates as they occur as I really hope this room brings out my creative side and allows me to engage more in the hobby I so enjoy....

Fair enough; but the point of making a point, is to..... ummm... MAKE A POINT. In other words, have your voice heard or be taken seriously. I think this is something that unfortunately so many folks don't understand. Seems like there are so many out there who think that just because they say something others will listen. Doesn't necessarily work that way. There is a tact, or social grace that comes with communicating one's thoughts. And even if you have a valid point about something, to voice it without this tact leads to being ignored. IMO, rustling up a decade-old thread, and expressing it in the way it was, well, IMO missed that tact big time. I'll be honest, I read this post when it was first posted, snickered and moved on before even considering its value. I'll bet there were many who read it whose response was similar; only to snicker rather than actually consider its legitimacy....

This is such a good comment. Perhaps worthy of its own thread. So many times I think folk's perception on the meaning of building is to throw all their resources in their project and maximize the outcome. Like we do perhaps in our careers, families, friendships, etc. But for many of us, like myself, on a typical day I don't have that much left in the tank. I value and very much respect those that do, but for my, usually I don't. So building becomes much less about a display of skill rather than something to just blow off steam....

My bad for even starting it off. I will stop. But I will say this. I don't really think we should take feedback from others with no proven building ability all that seriously. So not even worth our breath. If this guy is claiming a weak connection with these parts then he hasn't had enough building experience for us to worry about his opinion. I have no claim of being a great builder myself, and in the last few years have not been able to really build at all, and even I know this is a very strong connection.

You gonna write him a ticket? Lol.... com'on man, lighten up. I, for one, am enjoying this build so far. Great functions in a small space and visually, at least so far it looks to be shading up nicely.

Wow. Points for originality and looks. I am very much liking this so far...

Best solution I have seen to date for disk brakes

Great design but why the clear 1x1 rounded tiles for the heads? Never seen cylinder heads that are clear. Why not like metallic or aluminum gray?

There have been plenty of posts about BuWizz. Please do some research before posting about every question. Do a google search, there are youtube reviews, moc reviews with BuWizz, comparison videos, etc...

Just seeing this....sadly it is too late because you already completed the model. But imo it is not necessary to change anything. You can easily push the axle to the side of the 5x7 frame to get it out. Not the greatest for the pieces, but does not harm them either.