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@Lipko So another case of saggy suspension in a high end model.. will lego ever learn? It is rather ironic that my 42000, with arguably the most complicated suspension lego has ever produced, is sitting perfectly fine at the required height, yet 42083, which costs over three times as much and uses twice as much shocks, sags down to the point where i am seriously considering just putting a brick/liftarm underneath it to prop it up to proper height. @allanp I totally feel you though, never seen the "upside cam shaft" description this literally, and i agree 100%, that is not a proper engine, its half of a pushrod valvetrain! Edit: then again, im sure with some effort a proper fake engine will squeeze in, i know a V6 isnt proper land rover, but i feel like an I4 or even V8 might work (and now i feel like a redneck, smallblock V8 swap bruh!)

I disagree with you on that, in the sense that i dont think it adds much, if anything at all to the line, considering the exact same car has been featured in a cooler colour just last year. Im a pretty avid fan of SC sets, and i hardly ever skip a set, but this one is a hard pass. No criticism on your review by the way, always good to see fellow enthusiasts share their view and take the effort to show a set in detail, makes it easier for the fellow afols (like me) to decide on whether to buy a set.

That engine is incredibly disappointing, after having seen a mini-fake engine in the brick in the corvette, i want nothing to do with them anymore, extremely unrealistic, fidly, and extremely sensitive to pushing the bushes just a fraction of a milimeter in or out too far, leading to it running very rough. Looking at the engine bay, it seems like fitting an I4 or V8 engine should be doable, at least length wise. If that proves to be a viable conversion, i might change my mind about picking one up, because as it stands... that pin-engine is the straw that breaks the camels back speaking of sagging suspension, @Lipko, you mention extremely soft suspension, is this another case of lego underspringing a car, leading to sagging and the car staying low? Im really digging the wheels though, i might have to get a set of those for other models, could look good on for instance the porsche RSR with some low profile tires.

@suffocation 8880 didnt push the limits using just what was available back then, looking at the parts list, all the critical bits for the gearbox were new in that set (shiftstick, clutches and shift-plate), not to mention the components needed to drive the wheels in a double wishbone sprung suspension. 8880 wouldnt have been possible with the parts set available in 1993, and for some of those parts lego didnt even find a use in other set I wholeheartedly agree that the flawed features bring 56 and 83 down, but i dont agree with putting 8880 on a pedestal like many do here, technic in those days has its flaws as well, who here doesnt have a few broken gears from these days? (these ones specifically https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4143&idColor=9#T=P&C=9), or those finely toothed connectors which had to be adjusted with a half pin fine toothed bush? And while 8880 for instance carries a lot of nostalgic value, i kind of dread putting it together again, since i know it wont look anywhere as cool displayed on the shelf between its newer brothers. 12 year old me thought it looked just like a lamborghini (for whatever reason...), 34 year old me thinks its an ugly early 90s wire frame relic from when 3d games meant single digit polygon count models.

@Gray Gear I can respect that, i was pretty skeptical about the chiron before buying it, and even if i ended up liking it, there is no denying the design is sub optimal in many ways. despite its flaws though, it was quite something to see the gearbox work for the first time, putting a pf motor on a wheel, then with it running flip through the gears while watching the pistons move faster and faster with every click (obviously i was downshifting :P) I might end up rebuilding it in "pimp my bugatti" spec, but as it stands it is a cool and very impressive showmodel, and a very memorable build, i took my time with it, and seeing the car slowly take shape over two weeks was amazing. It also changed my mind and made me get the porsche after all, i plan on building that in pimped up spec right away, since i dont expect the stock build to be all that impressive, nor will the end result be in terms of features. As for all the 8880 nostalgia, i agree that for its time it was amazing, but im not sure how well it has aged. I still need to dust off and rebuild mine, and while it undeniably was the king of its day, but the only reason it stands even near the bugatti for instance, is the fact that all of 8880s features worked without issue, whereas the chiron has suspension issues etc.. if we had been shown a 8 speed sequential gearbox in 1994, all of collective minds would have been blown out of this galaxy. Once the issues with the porsche or chiron are fixed, the only metric which would give 8880 a point is features/part count, and imho, that metric doesnt make much sense comparing sets 25 years apart, with an entirely different building system (and probably discounts being a pretty damn good aproximation of a real car as a feature) I absolutely would love technic cars to have more features/$, having to spend $300/400 for a car with a gearbox sucks bigtime, and empty shells like 42077 and 42096 arent very technic at all, but all this 8880 nostalgia circle-bricking doesnt seem very realistic to me either (and FWIW, 8880s MSRP of $130 would be $225 today, adjusted for inflation) (and some pointless comparison, for what one pays for say, 42077 today, $80-100, one would have $50-60 1994 dollars, which would get you something like this https://brickset.com/sets/8440-1/Formula-Flash. Granted, one year off, but there you go, racecar, six cylinder engine, steering, that is it, at least these days we get full suspension all around)

yeah im not seeing 13 quid for 250-300 parts, so something about that rumor smells fishy from the beginning. As for the cars, a new Ferrari would hardly be a surprise, they have new stuff out, im guessing the sf90 would be a likely contestant, the F-8 tributo we will likely see in GT3/GTE form, as we havent seen a 458 or 488 road version, but several racing versions. Audi, we've seen them before, but a single set with just the ur-S1 seems a bit out of the blue imho, i would be less surprised if they also put a new RS5 in there or something similar. Afaik audi's only motorsport efforts currently are DTM and FE, neither of which is relevant to the S1 Nissan, a GTR would be reaaaally nice, but why bother with the R35 anymore? IF nissan has an R36 in the works, this might be it. Licensing wise though, i dont see nissan making much sense, most previous brands/groups have large amounts of usable cars, with nissan all i can think of is the GT-R (in its various forms) and the original fairlady, the Z350/370 are old and boring and im sure no-one at nissan HQ would like to be reminded of the GT-R-LM Lambo-combo, i would expect it to feature the succesor to the aventador, as that car is very much due to be replaced, and the big V12 car is always the lambo flagship, the huracan, like it or not, is the big numbers model. License wise lambo is part of VAG, and has audi as a parent company, so should be easily done. Not sure what a second car would be though, lambo has no big racing heritage (some customer GT3 efforts though), so maybe a miura or countach That said, im not buying the prices, that would mean ~$0.05/piece on a licensed set... and the nissan inclusion doesnt make a whole lot of sense either, the "and maybe.." sentence also makes me suspect it is a wishlist (which would explain the GT-R and lambo, people have been wishlisting those for ages, getting both now seems a little convenient)

Depends, sets like 42077 are extremely uninteresting to me, even as a car-nut, but stuff like the Chiron, i love that, even if it is flawed in the typical lego way What about the bugatti do you consider "a fckn wreck"? i very much enjoyed building mine, and while the flaws are obvious enough (front suspension mostly, and lack of HOG controlls), i still consider it quite a feat of lego design that they managed to put the thing out there. It is a great showpiece, and quite impressive (and this is comming from someone who neither likes the real chiron much, nor was positive about the set upon release) And agreed on the corvette, i bought it on a whim, and while i kind of like the idea of a smallish licensed car, the corvette just kinda sucks, the tires look all wrong, the front looks flat out wrong, the mini engine is just bad etc... the wheel arches offer some cool options for MOCers, but that is about all it is good for.

yup, i got some of those I attempted a modernization of 8440, i had a pretty decent looking model, but couldnt quite get the rear wing and the airscoop on top of the engine worked out, and due to it being studless, and thus odd width, proportions were a bit different from the original. It ended up getting scrapped for parts. And currently i have a porsche 718 cayman chassis sitting in a box, it has the correct scale and wheelbase for using 49.5x20 tyres with the corvette wheel arches, but the ground clearance is seriously messed up, the bottom of the chassis needs to sit half a stud higher, but that will require serious rework, either by mounting the axles in some weird half stud off way (which might again mess up where the roofline ends up), or by raising the floor a full stud, and putting some sort of flat plate below it to "lower" the car visually. Im not one to follow through on projects to be honest, once i get the basic concept worked out in my head, ill usually stop caring and not bother finishing the project

@gregorski904 I love the stickers on yours, the colours are also a bit more serious rally then the original kit, those porsche wheels though.. can it still steer without rubbing? @Nebulaire Looks great! i always thought, probably due to the rear section, that it has a hint of MKIII Renault megane coupe to it, and the dark azure works quite well with that model in mind, very sporty! My own example mets its end in the parts bin though, i needed some parts for the pimp my porsche build, and i never really managed to find a way to make 42077 look good enough that i want to put it on display

@kbalage excellent video, thanks for your work! On topic of the b-model, i think it is pretty disappointing. None of the vehicles in the set looks particularly well designed or even finished. The trucks mid section is too low, and it lacks an engine. The hot-rod lacking a Diff and having a V6 is just odd, and the front looks entirely unfinished, like someone forgot a radiator back in the garage. The van has no obvious problems or faults, but it looks very hodgepodge in terms of parts and colours, a true "b model" vibe. That said, for 11-16 year old kids, those concerns probably dont really matter as much, and the play value is strong in this set, as long as you arent some overly critical petrolhead who NEEDS his details to match *whistles innocently*

That is a good thing, but im still absolutely baffled by the lack of such support from Lego themselves. From an official standpoint this is just some RC toy which you happen to build yourself, with little to no thought given to MOCs or MODs, to which i say that at that pricepoint, you can buy proper RC crawlers/trucks which have tons of options for MODs, dont require a smartphone app, and will run rings around anything lego, due to actually being engineered to be high performance RC cars.

That change to the instruction booklet is an interesting one! more so then the rest of the set in my eyes :P Thanks for the information!

@AllanSmith wow, you bought 4? big porsche fan i guess? Do you happen to have the green car? any differences?

So, has anyone picked up the white porsche yet? Its been available online over here for quite a few days, but i feel hesitant picking it up, considering i already have the green version

Amazing build, and i absolute love the "dusty garage" sequences in the video, very well done!

Given the previous car in the SC theme, i'd say exactly 0. It has all been hyper/muscle cars or race-cars, but all actual production stuff, no concepts/one-offs. And honestly, the concept-cars are quite obscure stuff, im a moderate car/ferrari guy, and didnt know of it (mildly ashamed to admit it) If there is a ferrari in next year's lineup (which i hope there is!), id expect either a GTE/GT3 version of the F8 Tributo, or the SF-90 Stradale

Not bad @Ngoc Nguyen! the stickers from 42077 look good in this context as well. I'd love to have the parts to change the bright green to middle blue

@Anto a right, got it, spotted the difference now! The Chiron indeed has the green side different, in that both catches there have the same gears on either side, rather then just one gear to select, this allows the Chiron to indefinitely keep shifting, looping around from 8>1, your gearbox would presumabling block on trying to shift up in 8th gear, correct? I do think that solution is much nicer then lego's infinite loop, but i understand why lego wouldnt use it in a set, inexperienced users will run into the gearblock and might not understand what is going on, and either force it, and break parts, or think their model is broken.

@brunojj1 correct, and if you match it all up correctly, the red catch will act as a blocker prevent upshifting in 8th gear, as it simple wont be allowed to move further

How do you mean @Anto? your design uses four driving rings as well from the pictures? Correct me if im wrong, but yours works by having a 4 speed on one side, which is then routed through a second gearbox which only has two effective ratios, making it a 4x2 effectively? The chiron does exactly the same AFAIK. To make a 4x2 with only 3 driving rings, you would need to either make gear op 1:2 between the cross/towball and the orange catch to make the quarter rotation from the towball into a half rotation, or use the traditional red catch and some lever mechanism (which would still require gearing up)

Not a chance imho, advanced features arent really a thing in small sets anyway, and i wouldnt know how to create a VSP in technic. And even then, it isnt an obvious mechanism, so the target market for these sets (kids 8-12 i suppose, for a 400 part set) wouldnt know WTF they just built, and why their cool looking tugboat has these weird rotating prongs sticking out the bottom. I'd sooner expect a variable pitch propellor/rotor on some aircraft/helo then something as exotic looking like a VSP (cool stuff by the way though, didnt know that was a thing)

Ah right, in that case i wholely agree, the orange selector and blue clutchgear allow for a much more compact and better driven gearbox then for instance the old style porsche gearbox

I thought a 4 speed was already confirmed for that set? On topic, this really reminds me of the Chiron's gearbox, im not entirely sure about the way the power flows through those gears, but the trick with the thin 2L arm and a pin meshing with the yellow cross gear to reduce 4 shifts of one side to 1 shift on the other side is the same.

Sadly lego as a material has its limitations, even regular sets like the chiron already show this clearly (as it has quite a lot of chassis sag), and indeed, engineering can only solve so much, even if you triangulate the hell out of a structure, eventually enough force is going to concentrate in one place to overcome the limitations of ABS parts.

Damn, that makes me feel about about skipping 42042 again.. so far the only lego crane ive really liked the look of.