Chromeknight

Yes. We all agree there's virtually zero chance of it being three scum cards drawn?

No I'm saying normally I'd vote yes, since I know I'm town. But this isn't a normal case. It's rare someone nominated to TCC would reject the honour,

And again majority. Protocol usually is, if one is nominated, you'd vote yes, but in this case the point is moot. Let's see who the next mayor is.

Can you perform this ritual with a knife at your throat Master Soryx? I think that may be the only way it might happen. To the others she says. We are wasting time. Let's not keep Taravalk waiting.

What is wandering silence's connection to your hunting demons? Speaking to the others she says, He's not being modest, together we could kill him easily. And he is not one of the red death assassins I've met before. It seems he just has a common nickname.

GuvBob clarified this. The next mayor will receive the remaining two cards plus one from the discards which will be shuffled to form a new draw pile. We won't know which ones came from where though. We could foul out the next two days of government and draw the cards one by one. We'd have better knowledge of the cards at the risk of one or even two scum policies. So probably not worthwhile.

Well. That's a majority. I was coming to vote no, to swap mayors and see who they chose and how people felt about them, but unless people change their minds, the point is moot. I won't go into odds, some people have said that's not helpful. But I will say, they're interesting, because what we see will directly confirm or deny the truth of some of the claims made on previous days.

So far, I have built about four 32x32 baseplates worth. If played as a game, one needs a space about 1.5m square and twenty five 32x32baseplates of buildings. So I'm not even 20% done. Happily, as I mentioned. It's a reproducible standard, and a couple of others in the club have said they want to build in the standard too, so next years display should be quite a bit bigger.

Remember, given the way the large train wheels are packaged, I think you'll actually get four flanged drivers and two blind drivers in the box. Plenty of scope to modify it.

Nerwen again uses the cloak of espionage to see who they are dealing with. So. Isolation and containment? Why pick this night of all of them to do this? And how mobile are we talking? How much space do we need to give?

Yes. This one we will have to kill.

There's that phrase again. It does not mean what you think it means.

Hand the edain to Kaarstal and tell him he was trying to assassinate him, let you clan leader demonstrate his methods for dealing with those who come after him. Let's go to headquarters. I am concerned. We've had plots on Kaarstal, Grishnod and Gor. Taravalk is next in line? But for all we've 'foiled' these plots it feels like we are still being led by the nose. And we have not come across the burning pilgrim yet either, only the shining pilgrim who seems to be one of the wandering silence. Unless the other one was the burning one. Still. It could well be a trap. Nerwen heals Boomingham and Skrall.

Yep. There comes a point where we have more to go on than thoughts about the policy deck. You're right. But we can an should connect what we know about Ralph and Joshua to the bigger picture. Who supports one more than the other? Who still likes Anne? Who is violently opposed to Anne now and why? For town to win we need to look at who votes quick, moves things along too quick to discuss and who doesn't give good reasons for what they do. Ah ok. The historical accounts I've playedread shuffle back in only when needed. ie. If there are two cards left in the deck and three need to be drawn, the last two were handed over and a third was given from the shuffled pile. Perhaps GuvBob can confirm.

Well. I know I told the truth. But yes, you should weigh the possibility that I didn't. But if you assume I'm scum, I'd be in league with either Joshua or Ralph. Do you think that's the case? Really?

So in this case I'm wrong. And yes, if Anne is scum or GF, Joshua must be. (Though the inverse is not the case) As for what I do or don't know with the analysis, I made a reasonable guess. And indicated how I reached the numbers for day four, albeit not clearly enough it would seem. The chance of both mayors on days 2 and 3 getting 3 scum cards is somewhere in the order of 2%. And Ralph's investigation on Joshua is evidence at least one of them is scum (either by investigation result or by lying about result) so likely to have lied about what they got. Sure. We can assume everyone in days 2 and 3 are lying. (I know neither Lindsey or I lied about day 1) But that leads to some abysmal numbers for day 4 and very little hope for us to pull out a town win. Let's look at the cases. Assume Joshua is town. Robert is 1in3 chance of being scum (starting odds) Anne is town and cannot be GF Joshua drew three scum cards, Robert saw two of them. Ralph must be scum (lying about investigation) Ralph drew at least two scum cards since Anne, who is town reports two. Odds of the third card being town are slightly better than it being scum. So. One assumed town. One confirmed town. One assumed scum and one with no new information. Assume Ralph is town. Joshua is scum (by investigation) Robert is chosen by someone who knows his alignment Given the odds favoured at least one town card draw, he could have been chosen to set up as townie. If Joshua tossed a town card, Robert is town, if he tossed a scum card, Robert is scum. This likely holds even if Joshua unluckily drew three scum cards meaning he couldn't set up Robert as townie looking. Anne is either the GF or a regular scum, set up by Joshua to be townie looking, Ralph is town (by assumption) He drew three scum cards also. (Long odds!) since he wouldn't lie about what he got. Anne is scum and again is dudded by being handed two scum cards. So. One assumed town, one confirmed scum, one assumed scum and one who might be scum. The question is. Did a town card get tossed by Joshua or Ralph. Odds say there was, but who did it ties into who is scum or not. Also. Best case above we've identified three scum. We know between Ralph and Joshua we have at least one. This means there's likely one in the list Christina gives; her, Scott, Erik and Michael. Yay. Town policy pass. Now, if we could trust that both Ralph and Joshua tossed scum cards, we guarantee a town win. Since we could just elect no further governments and just pass the remaining three town and two scum policies for a town win. But I don't trust both at once. So we will go into a reshuffle of the deck.

If Ralph passed a town card to Anne and she discarded it, yes, she's scum. It doesn't automatically follow that Joshua is scum, Anne could be the Godfather, who, IIRC, investigates as town. In that case, Ralph should investigate Joshua. Because either Joshua is town and he accidentally picked the GF and so we'd be certain that Anne is the GF which means we can lock her out. Or Joshua is scum and lied about Anne being town, Anne is probably the GF but not certainly so. But if Anne had no choice about what she played, she could well be town and it is better to use the investigation someone who we can install as TCC chair today and leave Anne to be tested next time she's TCC and she actually has a choice about what to play. Either way, we just have different valid reasons for suggesting what we did. Thanks for explaining your thinking.

This is Cathedral. A board game. A long time ago I made a Lego version. Then lately I wondered if I could do it at minifig scale and started building. I haven't nearly completed a full set yet, but I've developed a standard that others might like. 
 This is the basic unit. Baseplate brick and plate, just like the MILS standard. Technic connectors. Then four studs of tiles and jumpers around the outside. I've filled the middle of this one in with more tiles to make a open area. 
 This one has a building added. You can see it is four studs from the edge at the base, but overhangs more as it goes up. Although never outside the footprint of the baseplate. 
 Here is a pair of houses taking up all the space on module. 
 Modules don't have to be rectangles. This inn is on a corner. Of course, the buildings don't have to be connected, here is a pair of houses with a watchtower on one side and a square on the other. The barracks is the biggest building I have so far. I've aimed for solid buildings with no interiors. When set up for a display the emphasis is on the street life and the city as a whole. The modules should be easy enough for anyone to add to make a combined display and can be any size or shape as long as the sides conform to the standard. It makes for a flatish city with narrow streets not big enough for carts, but that's an ok look I think. I've added a whole bunch of street level shots of a display with figs to the Flickr. Click through any of the photos to see.

Now we're playing the game. We have two competing truth claims. This isn't mafia people. We don't lynch to test this stuff. We link the claims together and see what holds as a coherent group and what doesn't. Actually, it wasn't what you were requested to do. Dragonfire got it backwards. So. Did you not read carefully or is something else going on? Wait? What? What are you saying here, assisting scum? Do you mean you assisted the scum Ralph to pick a target? Or you assisted the scum Joshua by outing him and throwing doubt on Anne? I'm not sure if you're not paying attention or are stuffing things up deliberately. Um no. Not impossible. Unlikely. Like rolling three sixes unlikely. Which is quite different to winning the lottery unlikely. But given the investigation result, one of Ralph and Joshua are lying. Which yes, means one of them is scum. And scum would throw away a town card if they had a chance. The analysis. Day one Deck holds 11scum 6town Mayor draws 2scum 1town Discards a scum TCC plays a town Day two Deck holds 9scum 5town Mayor draws* 3scum Discards a scum* TCC plays a scum Day 3 Deck holds 6scum 5town Mayor draws* 2scum 1town Discards a town TCC plays a scum It's also possible day two was a town discard and day three a scum, but either way it's the same deck for day four. Day 4 Deck holds 4scum 4town Chance of 3town draw 1/14 Chance of 2town1scum draw 6/14 Chance of 1town2scum draw 6/14 Chance of 3scum draw 1/14

Other way around. If Ralph got a town card and passed it Anne, that's when he should investigate Joshua. If he (truly) got three scum cards, then Anne playing a scum card is a wash and her investigation will probably stand, that's when we need new info. As it is. I vouch for Lindsey. Yes, I know she could be a scum who played a town policy and is simply biding her time or the GF but I deem either unlikely. So I'm happy to count Lindsey town.

The first question is, what was your contract for? Simply to disrupt the chant?

If Ralph thinks (knows) Anne is lying about what she was handed, investigating Joshua would be the obvious move.

Can we leave the day open until we actually hear from Ralph? It's not so fun if some people just aren't playing the game.

Don't forget, there's an investigation result too. But if we have very little confidence in Ralph, how can we trust who he investigated?

Annie could have been handed two scum cards because Joshua discarded a town or a scum card. It's almost four times more likely it was a town card than it was a scum card. Not a good look for Joshua. He has to claim a three mafia draw, but what will he say besides that? Edit: Ralph, not joshua above.