Dragonfire

Wait what? Sammy claimed Scum to you?

I'm just putting this out in the open, as it's the last day so there's nothing to lose. Simon is the Bulletproof Townie. Or at least, he was until last night. He soft-claimed vigilante to draw the scum kill (and succeeded). Simon is clear, Sammy. Sammy was investigated to be a Townie. If Waldorf was legit, Sammy is Town. If he was naive, Sammy could be Town or the SK.

Simon, there is no way that there are any Maples alive right now. There's only the SK.

Yeah. Sue targeted Simon. Period. OK? And yes, you do mind if the SK wins, because if you're town then YOU WILL LOSE!

The voting analysis, updated from yesterday.

Sue was a Maple? She almost had me convinced with her oakiness/SK-iness. This is really odd. If there were two Maples, the game would have ended with Adelaide's lynch. So I am fairly sure Sue was the last Maple. Which leaves only the SK to find and kill. I'm glad Simon's gambit paid off and ensured that there was a Day 8. The SK killed Sue and Sue attempted to kill Simon (but failed).

The vig needs to not kill tonight. If they kill a townie, town loses. If the vig no kills, it is possible that town could survive to tomorrow. This is all a game of WIFOM, my dear apple. How do you know that Lassie is who she claims? How do you know that what Lassie claims is what I say she has claimed?

We knew it was being planned. It was purely to gauge Sammy's reaction. Not good enough? If there are two scum and the SK is lynched, we lose! Hmm..... If we lynch a townie, we lose. Townies should be trying to save their own necks. Suspicious behaviour. For your information, Lassie claimed Vanilla Townie. She's no more trusted than any of you. Definitely. 100%.

Wow. We got it right, only backwards. Thanks, but it's definitely crazy, if true at all.

Yes, you did. I was talking to Adelaide. Yeah. If there are two Scum left, then it's Sammy and Adelaide. I still don't understand the point of your codes. The stump thread is full of speculations. If what we think you're saying is correct, then it's pretty crazy.

I forgot to include this quote in my last post. I'm pretty sure this isn't true. You, like everyone else (except Bruce), denounced Hazel as scum and lynched me on that basis on Day Five. You can't deny that. You only started "worrying" after I flipped Oak, your plot to janitor me was foiled, and Jack died. Sorry, Waldorf and I have no codes for that either. The only four-letter combinations we have are: SWZM, RPMS, XESA, EQFQ, UYLW, UJRO and SUXT. From your point of view (assuming you're Town), any of the other living trees could be Scum. Oh OK, thanks. I understand it now. But...how did Sammy know? Did you tell him via PM or was he privy to the information when Waldorf was alive? (BTW: I agree with the assumption that Maggie was killed by the SK)

I'm pretty sure that there were five scum to start out with; depending on whether Alastair was a Maple or an Oak, there are one or two scum left. Don't fish. Lassie is simply townier than you guys. She could be scum, true, but you and Adelaide are more likely scum. I agree. It makes no sense for Sue to do this if they were the last two left. It also makes no sense if there were three scum left. If there were three scum left, then scum could have won right there and then with a no-lynch. This clears Sue of being scum in my eyes, but not necessarily from being the SK. Nope. Simon can't be the Serial Killer. Waldorf may well have been naive...or Clem could have been naive. Maybe they both were I really don't understand the part of your quote that I have bolded. Care to explain it?

So you think Lassie is towny for not jumping on your bandwagon....but Sammy is scummy for doing exactly the same thing? Waldorf already did. Not Claudio, maybe n3372. I agree. Jack was bussing Adelaide earlier on in the day; when he came under fire, Adelaide stupidly abstained from voting. I agree that Sue is unlikely to be scum. Sammy is probably the second most likely scum option. Good point. I don't see how Sue's vote looks scummy... Yeah, this could be a possibility. Yes, and half the stumps are actually Cultists Let me make this clear. We asked all the other stumps to list their top two scum-reads, including partner reads. Every single stump who commented listed Adelaide in their top two scum-reads. The other of the two names was either Sammy or Lassie- fairly spread out. The general consensus is that Sue is not scum, but is quite probably the SK. Correct. We can't lynch the SK because if there are two Maples alive, then we lose. Umm... neither Waldorf or I has a code for "PMPM". Can you please change it to something we can understand ??

So you think Sammy and Sue are the last Maples and Lassie is the SK? I can confirm that Jack claimed vanilla via the code system. I know I've already done this, but just to re-iterate it: STUMP Vote: Adelaide Apple (TinyPiesRUs) (This is using Waldorf's codes) The collective view of the stumps is that n136 is n4209. We all think that n139 is n6609 or n3372. We also think that n7019's XESA is good.

Adelaide I think; but correct me if I'm wrong. Read the final day of Mafia Mafia. There were 2 scum, 2 town and the SK left. Town somehow managed to get a triple lynch on the non-towns. :wacko: We need to lynch a Maple today. We don't know whether the SK has limited kill shots, but it's very likely that the Maples don't. You're contradicting yourself (see the text in bold). I also believe Barry and Peter to be Maples. Reasons why I think the SK is alive 1. The SK was definitely alive on Day Five, since there were two kills on Night Four and the vigilante didn't kill. Therefore Barry, Alastair and Hazel could not have been the SK. 2. On Night Five, there were two kill actions taken (not counting Chester's passive kill). One of them was the vigilante. Therefore, either the Maples or the SK did not kill. They could have been blocked or their target protected. Or they targeted Nash or Peter for the kill. There are many explanations. 3. Somebody brought this point up today. The Maples (I think) were given a janitor list of me, Peter, Nash and Chester on Night Five, and they needed to choose someone to janitor. The obvious choice was me. But they chose Peter instead. Peter was not widely suspected, much less so than me. Unless he was the SK and they role-copped him (which is unlikely; a janitor and a role-cop would be too OP), then he must have been scum. 4. William and Bruce were killed last night. We have no confirmation as to whether the vig killed someone last night, but it is obvious that the vig didn't kill Bruce. I personally viewed William as less scummy than basically everyone except Simon yesterday- only Simon suspected him. I don't see why the vig would kill William over Lassie, Sue, Adelaide or Sammy. Which leads me to believe that the vigilante didn't kill last night. Therefore there has to be a SK. I doubt Sue is Scum, but it's quite possible that she is the SK. I think Adelaide is the best lynch for today- she's more likely to be a Maple than the SK. If there truly are 2 Maples, the SK and two Oaks, then you will lose if you lynch the SK today. You need to lynch a scum. I agree. Just after Simon's post that him and Lassie were the only townies. It makes sense from a scum point of view to throw suspicion on a townie for being the SK. We can't lynch the SK today, because there might be two scum and then they'd win. Aww, Simon. Here's some *extends a root and hands Simon popcorn* Doesn't Sue normally do this? And no, it doesn't seem like bussing to me.

None taken. No- it was the opposite. Hazel claimed that she was an Oak who had been janitored, therefore leading me to believe that not all the missing stumps were Maples. A Maple would want to deny the existence of a janitor and push for the "Maples' alignments aren't revealed" idea. Maggie died on Night Four. The vig stayed home on Night Four. I'm talking about Night Five, when the vig killed Nash. I'm starting to think that Peter wasn't the SK and that a) the SK is still alive, and b) some people are trying to manipulate us into thinking that it was Peter.

As I said, it doesn't make sense from a Maple point of view. That's kind of like a subtle defence of Jack, disguised as a misunderstanding. So you think Barry and Peter were Oaks ?? That's offensive. I've been active and helped the town as a stump - and I posted my vote analysis tables Day One up to Hazel's selfvote : I thought Hazel was scummy. End of Day Four : I thought Hazel was town Day Five : I wasn't sure about Hazel's alignment, but I pushed for town-Hazel to avoid looking flip-floppy. Day Six : Following Hazel's rule-breaking PM to me, I was convinced she was town. I agree. Three remaining scum could have guaranteed a no-lynch, especially when you (an Oak) voted for someone other than Jack. I really agree that it's likely to be just Adelaide, or Adelaide and Lassie/Sammy (but this is less likely). This is why I agree. Hazel seemed like a decent person, and not the kind of person who would do this as scum. Of course you would want the town to think that he was scum. Maples want us to underestimate the number of surviving scum, and to believe that the SK still exists. Tell me, Adelaide, why would the SK not kill on Night Five or Night Six ?? If you think the SK is still alive, who do you think they are? But you didn't hammer him when a hammer was needed.... I think the Maples have a role cop. What else could explain the deaths of both investigators one after the other? One of them could have been a lucky guess, but both of them is pushing it. They could have also role-copped Peter and found out that he was the SK. Are we sure that the Maples get a list of everyone who is going to die, every night, and can choose who to janitor? On the other site I played on, the janitor could only janitor the scum kill or the lynchee. Yes, I agree. Yes, I think this makes sense from a Scum perspective. Scenario 1: Peter was the SK, Barry was Scum. N1: Vig is blocked, Peter kills Buck, Jack (I assume) kills Lauren N2: Vig kills Agnes, Peter kills Vicky, Jack is blocked N3: Vig kills Bobby, Peter kills Barry, Jack kills Clem N4: Vig kills no-one, Peter kills Maggie, Jack kills Waldorf N5: Vig kills Nash, Peter kills Chester, Chester passively kills Peter *** N6: Vig kills William, Scum kills Bruce *** What did scum do on N5 ?? Were they blocked? Was the target protected? Scenario 2: Peter and Barry were both Scum For this scenario to be true, the scum must have been able to switch the kill action between them N1: Vig is blocked, SK kills Buck, Scum kill Lauren N2: Vig kills Agnes, SK kills Vicky, Jack is blocked N3: Vig kills Bobby, SK kills Barry, Scum kill Clem N4: Vig kills no-one, SK kills Maggie, Scum kill Waldorf N5: Vig kills Nash, Peter kills Chester, Chester passively kills Peter *** N6: Vig kills William, Bruce is killed. *** What did the SK do on N5 ?? Same question. If this scenario is true, then the SK could still be alive. The SK could have limited kill shots and could have either chosen not to or been unable to kill on N5 and N6. Unless the SK did kill Bruce, and it was the Maples who were blocked. Barry was clearly not the SK. Peter could have been. But the more pressing issue is, could there be a SK and a Maple left alive? Worse yet, a SK and two Maples?

Yeah

Wait, doesn't mostlytechnic get to post in thread? He is a stump, although he's scum...

I agree about Sammy. Concerning Adelaide, you know what? Stump Vote: Adelaide Apple (TPRU)

Hazel is 99% confirmed an Oak in my eyes. There was a janitor. Why would a Maple break the rules to tell an Oak stump that she was, in fact, a janitored Oak? Surely it would hurt the Oaks more not to give them the information, or to give them the wrong information? I think Peter was the SK, which leads me to believe that there might be two Maples left. Unless Alastair was a maple.

My vote analysis table, updated with the recent information.

There was almost a No Lynch yesterday. Jack, William and Sue all voted for Adelaide, then Sue switched at the last minute to get a lynch on Jack. Had Sue not done this, town would have lost last night. Adelaide did not vote when Jack was being lynched. (this was after the hammer) Lassie, Simon and Sammy all voted for Jack. I think that Adelaide comes out of this looking scummy, and Sue looking more towny.

- There is definitely a janitor, and it was almost certainly Jack. HAZEL WAS AN OAK. - It is very likely that the SK is dead. The SK was probably Peter. - There are five trees alive; Simon is the only clear. There are one or two Maples. We need to look into the trees who pushed for the "all 3rd party/Maples alignments are hidden" idea.

I don't think the SK can win with town. And I agree, there will probably be a Day 7. Yes, I seem to be familiar with that other forest. Either way, it looks like Jack is scum with the lack of votes on him. If Jack turns up scum, that's a towny move in my eyes. You could have just abstained and achieved a no-lynch. But if Jack turns up town (and we haven't lost the game tomorrow), then you will look a lot scummier.