Dragonfire

Oh I see. I remember a few townies doing this in a House of Cards forest, and they were lynched because of it. I don't think it's alignment indicative since mainly only newbs do it.

I will be, will I? How are you so sure? Are you the janitor?

Vote: Peter Cedar because he's just useless. Come on Chester and Nash, vote me already so that we can end this stupid day.

Hypocrite Yes, I have. So? It's quite a different site from this one. I trusted Barry, poor choice on my part. He told me all these things. I told Bruce the information I received from Barry. How is that scummy? Yes, I was talking to Barry. I townread him. Is this a crime? Stumps don't get votes. Yes, I suspected some people who turned up town and I trusted a possible scum. I'm not perfect. I've never been a miller before. Miller is an uncommon role on mafiascum and I've never looked at the wiki. And for your information, everyone suspected you. Oh, and the Vig killed Agnes. I'm not even going to bother defending myself against you since you're just making up stuff and twisting my words here. Award for Most Original Vote of the Game (MOVG) : Simon Persimmon He did ask me to tickle him though... Generally from past experience, people who flip-flop on opinions are considered scummy. Although the evidence suggests otherwise, I still think that Hazel was town. You're going to lynch me either way, so I don't really care at this point. I would advise not putting me in red until I'm actually dead. It's not only misleading but very humiliating for me. Besides, it will mess up your reasoning. And I am not a "janitored" tree. Why are you suggesting that I am? I'm actually alive and talking to you! Guess what? Nash and Sue again! Those guys seem to do everything together... Correction: today's lynch is pretty much sealed and I'm looking forward to help you lynch a scum on Day 6 as a confirmed townie. So you think I'm lying about Barry's claim? Kudos to you for being the only player to say anything other than "LYNCH BERTY!!!" today. So in your opinion, anyone who has differing beliefs to you is scum? You're scum yourself, mate.

I'd be more inclined to think she was scum; yes. No, both Chester and Hazel were scummy by twisting Jack's words. Scummy doesn't necessarily equal scum. When I flip town, lynch Chester please.

If I was the scum janitor, I would janitor Berty (myself). If I become a stump, then I'll be pretty sure that there is no janitor. My strongest scumread is Chester; I scumread Peter and have milder scumreads on Nash and Sue, mainly based on their comments today. Well, your general manner is slightly condescending But, honestly, newbies like me do feel slightly intimidated by very experienced townies like you, who basically control the town's actions.

Good. I'm pleased to hear that you'll lynch a scumread of mine even if the Maples do janitor me. Generally, when someone's defending themselves from basically every single other player, the message is "don't lynch me". How does your logic hinge on an analysis of the game mechanics?

So you think there are seven scum in the game?

Yes, I know what Jack's conclusion is. I don't agree with him but I think it is good reasoning. So who do you think is scum? Me, Nash, Hazel -- who else?

She did that? I think this is pretty good reasoning. I do still think that Hazel was town and was janitored. Anyway, I'll see for myself when you guys lynch me. I expect the scum to janitor me, so yeah, I'll see. If I was scum and Hazel was too, I would have janitored Waldorf as well- point 4 is a good point. And when have you ever expressed suspicion of me before? How have you been more helpful than me? I've already explained why I went to Simon. I've played on mafiascum before but never with a miller. Just because I've played on mafiascum before doesn't mean I've read the wiki- in fact, I haven't. I've played with the janitor (and the miller too) on epicmafia. On epicmafia, millers appear to themselves as villagers and appear as scum upon death. There is no rule about millers claiming early. The miller role here is very different. Janitors on epicmafia simply hide the victim's role. I never said I knew how to play a janitor role. I just said that I knew what a janitor was. I also know what a miller is. But not how to play the role. I'm noticing a disturbing pattern here. Everyone is gearing up for my lynch. Some people, like Simon,have been uneasy about me for a while and have made good cases. Others, like Jack, have also made good, logical cases. But some other people, namely Nash and Sue, are randomly saying "I suspected Berty and his claim since Day One, and I'm happy to lynch him". It's those people I'm worried about, who are taking advantage of the lynch. The main reason for lynching me is that Hazel flipped unknown (in fact, I don't think anyone but Simon has mentioned any other reasons). There's a good chance she was janitored to set up my lynch today. If Hazel was town and got janitored, it is possible that Alastair (and maybe Barry, but this is unlikely) were also janitored Town. If this is the case, then there are a lot more scum than we think, and it could be that they only need one more lynch (and a kill) to win the game. We could be very close to defeat. I know this is just a conspiracy theory, but I'm seriously worried. If we knew for certain that Hazel, Barry and Alastair were scum, then I'd be fine with my lynch because it would remove a suspect for you guys, enable me to work with town (as a stump) without being suspected, and also there would be no fear of scum winning because three of them were dead. But this is not the case. I fully expect Peter and Chester to behave in similar ways to Sue and Nash. I would suggest looking into those four when I am dead.

You're not? Oh, I see. I assumed that everyone in the Town block knew the identities of the investigators. I stand corrected.

I firmly believed that there was not a janitor in the game until Hazel, who I thought was town, died. For Hazel to be town, a janitor must exist. Please don't accuse me of flip-flopping between opposites. It would look far scummier if I did a 180 here and denounced Hazel as a Maple. I clearly stated to you in PM that I thought Hazel was scummy up until her selfvote post. I then reread her posts and could see the newb-Town perspective. This is what the real Maples want. They probably janitored Hazel so that we'd lynch a townie (me) today. The whole point of Hazel being janitored was a lead-up to my lynch. And you can never be certain of anything until the game conclusion. Only scum can know people's alignments. Hazel came to me in private and asked me how she could look townier in-thread. I told her if she was town, she should make a case on someone who she found scummy. Her case on Chester was hypocritical, but I didn't point it out because it would just lower her self-esteem. I truly believed that she was town being taken advantage of. Barry: I townread him and was talking to him in PM from Day 1. We were talking about general things besides Mafia. He decided to claim to me. I trusted the wrong person, is that wrong? Hazel: I had a null/scum read on her up until her selfvote, then it switched to a townread. Is it a crime to townread Scum? (and there's no conclusive evidence that we've caught any scum yet) So Simon was telling the truth about the investigators. I find it incredibly suspicious that the two investigators died on consecutive nights. There's probably a scum in the town block. Yeah, I agree. It's likely that there is scum in the block- probably someone who got investigated is the Godfather. Suddenly, out of the blue, you suspect me (just after Simon's post). Numerous reversals? I switched from believing there was no janitor to thinking there was a janitor, and I switched from nullscum-reading Hazel to townreading her. You've never before expressed suspicion of my claim, so why now? Ping. Yep, you can lynch me if Hazel was scum. I myself would condone my lynch were Hazel scum. But was she? Nobody knows.

Any particular reason? I think Hazel was town, so I do think there is a janitor now; however, it is likely that scum janitored two of their own. No stump = non-Town is the host lying to us. Unlikely. Maybe they janitored Hazel to make me look bad... I wasn't online when the day was posted. Got a problem with that? I wouldn't trust anything Barry said at this point.

Chester did this too. Besides, you've now twice led lynches on Oaks and got bandwagons rolling. Don't you think you ought to look at Chester some more? I'll vote if needs be to get a lynch, but I do suggest getting Chester or Peter instead. Actually, screw my vote on Chester, it's not going to get us anywhere. We need a lynch, and Peter is a better lynch than Hazel IMO. Unvote: Chester Chestnut (Lego Spy) Vote: Peter Cedar (badboytje88)

I really think we do need to decide on who to lynch, unless we're not going to lynch anyone (which would be stupid).

There are four hours left and we need a lynch. I'd like to nominate Chester as today's lynch; can we look into that?

Excuse me? That's rather rude. You did use exactly the same argument for voting Jack....but at least you're trying. Yeah that misled me too. William, would you mind telling us all the timeline of your interactions with Barry so we can slot that in to my timeline?

I didn't "defend" Hazel per se, I just think she's a confused newbie Town. Her behaviour does read as genuine to me. And yes, I think so too. Good on you. Giving up is really bad play. Whatever your alignment, good move. I think it could be perceived as scummy, but I'm leaning town on Jack anyway so it doesn't really change my opinions. You should have looked at the stuff he's said today. Like twisting Jack's words for instance. Sammy meant Hazel, not Peter

Yes, it was. I was asleep at the deadline. Excuse me? I think Peter is scum and I've never defended him. Quote me defending him, go on!

In Chester's first game that he played, I called him out on Day 1 for being scummy and voted him. That very night, I died. He was mafia and killed me. Metagaming says that he's mafia here too.

OK. Here are the times, Simon. They are all in English/UK time. You'll have to convert them into your time. 11th February 00:05 am : William claims his role to me and tells me about his mutual kill deal with Simon 11th February 03:15 pm : Barry tells me that William has claimed to him, and then strongly hints that he is the bomb. He also says that he finds William's claim suspicious. 11th February 06:10 pm : In response to my direct question, Barry tells me the exact details of his role, but says that he has chosen to interpret the role as bomb. 11th February 06:42 pm : I tell Bruce about a suspicious claim I have received (but I don't tell him that the claimant is Barry) 11th February 06:48 pm : Barry assumes that all Night Actions are already in and players' fates are decided 11th February 08:17 pm : Barry tells me that he has made a deal with William to kill Simon if Simon backs out of the mutual kill deal. 11th February 09:31 pm : I tell Bruce that it is Barry who made this claim to me. 11th February 09:56 pm : Bruce tells me to tell Barry that the town block will kill him unless he kills William 11th February 09:59 pm : Bruce changes the kill target for Barry to Maggie 12th February 08:11 am : I tell Barry to kill Maggie 12th February 03:22 pm : Barry says that he'd rather kill Bobby

I think a hammerer is unlikely in this forest as there has never been one before in any forest in this continent. I also think Hazel is a townie who is simply giving up. We've seen this behaviour from Bobby before and he was vig-killed, and turned up Oak.... Isn't that a surprise? The two scummiest people not using codes. Hmmm.... Why don't you look up all their posts and compile them into a case? The vig targets do confuse me. If Simon is telling the truth about the Vig killing Bobby, and if Barry was scum, then who killed Barry? If there is a SK and it's not Barry, then it is likely that it was the scum who was blocked for two of the nights. I can see Lauren and Vicky as being good SK targets. but not so good scum targets. I'm voting him. Why do you think he's a Maple? From what Simon said in-thread, I believe that Clem investigated Bruce and Investigator 2, and got a town result on both of them. Investigator 2 investigated Simon, Clem and a random other tree. But if the Vig killed Bobby, the scum killed Clem and Barry was scum, then it is quite possible that Barry didn't have a kill action other than the scum's factional kill, and the scum used it on Clem. Barry said he was going to kill Bobby, but he didn't. He was just misleading us all. The Barry theory is interesting... I'll try to dig out all the timelines and stuff. You only switched your vote because people were accusing you of being scummy by voting Bobby. Bobby made no kind of plausible defence; I can't imagine what you saw in it. I agree. Thanks for your insight, O great one. Will you deign to respond to the suspicions of others, or are they beneath you?

I hope she's scum, but I think she's Town.

Hazel. If you're an Oak, this is the worst possible thing to do. This behaviour is stupid and detrimental to town. I hope you are scum. I think Hazel is Town. This is literally the longest post she has ever made and I think it's genuine. No scum would do this, and yes, I know it could be AtE, but given Hazel's previous contributions, that's unlikely. Hazel, you think you're the least helpful? Some trees haven't spoken the whole day! (*wink* Maggie *wink*)

Barry claimed that he was a neutral survivor/killer/bomb exactly 20 hours and 2 minutes after the end of Day Three. Root Admin He told me that he had told everyone who he was already in contact with.