Dragonfire

Brick, you had me convinced you were the SK, and you knew Zepher was scum and were defending him, trying to pull a Hinck! Were you sure Zepher was scum? And just in interest, why did you kill me? Sorry Stick, but I thought you were lying scum after you claimed your item. I read the truth about it on the deadboard though. I was seriously worried that you were the SK when def told me that the SK had killed me. I'm glad I was wrong. Thanks, but it was DD the SK who killed me. The scum killed fhomess. I was also the one who called out Tammo's tactic and made the case on Zepher. Personally, I feel that I improved a lot in this game from the previous two games I played. I was more cautious in PM (having trusted the SK and a scum in PM before), and I actually developed a townread on someone and worked with them in PM. I voted for three of the scum at some point in the game and correctly scumread two of them (I didn't trust mostly either; and Tammo was 50/50 in my opinion. I made a case on a scum and this eventually got them lynched. Besides, I blocked Lind Whisperer on the night I died; this prevented Lind's theft of Dave's vig action and allowed him to kill mostly. So in a way, I helped at night too. I'm still learning, but I think this is a step in the right direction.

Thanks for having me too - I had a lot of fun playing!

How do we know that? For that to be true, either Mencot or mostlytechnic must be scum. Or they claimed to Tammo.

You know what? I kind of agree. Except most of the people I think are scum are not voting for Zepher. I don't think MT would be a good lynch for today. I'm OK with lynching Zepher tomorrow when he has a less good item, but the question is, who today? Lind also has a good item. Also, "thrown under the bus" is an expression used to refer to a scum attacking a fellow scum. Is this what you mean? Umm...everyone who has had Mary Jane's Locks has started speaking Medieval English, so no, it's not useful. There is no evidence against Walter except from the fact that he is not online. He's lazy and so is the lynch wagon on him. The problem with the Zepher lynch is that he is adequately towny - I can't really see the scumminess in his posts. He's only scummy because of what Tammo and others posted, and I'm not sure that's enough to risk a costume on. So who do we lynch today, if not Zepher, Walter, or Lind? I honestly don't know.

Zepher, the reason I think you're scum is to do with Tammo, Lind and Darkdragon's posts, not yours in particular. Your posts have been fairly middle-of-the-road, not standing out, not looking scummy or towny in particular; I can't read much out of them. Other people's, however, have been most productive. Nah, not the SK. Too many associative tells for him to be the SK. He's scum. The flavour cop investigated your costume on one of the nights, and knows its abilities. S/he hasn't told me exactly what it does, but it's fair to say that you're probably not lying about this - s/he did say that it is an important town costume. However, we can't let the costume dictate whether or not we lynch someone - remember Tammo from yesterday? OK. This is odd. Darkdragon steps in to lightly defend Zepher, then completely changes the subject, then follows Zepher with his vote on fhomess. Zepher accumulates four votes against him. Guess who comes in to save the day? Lind Whisperer, who also votes for fhomess, making the votes 4:3 in favour of Zepher. Seems like scum are trying to tie the vote. Lind doesn't add anything new, or respond to the accusations against him, just votes with Zepher. Just like that. PING! OK. Do you know why I really think Lind is scum? On Day One, Lind picked an item. This item had an important role which, in town hands, could hurt the scum considerably (I'm not going to reveal the role, and I don't think Lind should either). That's all fine and good. On Day Two, Lady K picked the same item. And got killed (presumably by scum, since we know the vig killed Shadows and JJP is an ideal SK kill choice). What are the chances that Lind told his scum team about his item, and they killed the next person to receive it (conveniently implicating Brick in the process)?

After thinking things through, I don't think mostly is a good lynch for today. My second choice of lynch (after Zepher) is Lind, but since he has the thief costume, it complicates things. I will be AFK for the next 12 hours. See you later!

Well the funny thing is that Lego Spy, who was investigated as Not Scum, got the bulletproof through random allocation. On Days One & Two, looking at Shadows' posts, I thought to myself, I have a funny feeling about this guy and he sure could be scum, but he makes good points which I agree with, and he seems to be pro-Town. This is exactly how I feel about fhomess now. Shadows flipped town, which leads me to think that maybe fhomess is too. So my vote for today (for the moment) is going to Vote: Mr Freeze (Zepher). Yes, this vote is based more on Tammo's posts than Zepher's himself. But I can't shake that feeling that Zepher is scum.

Well yeah, but he targeted Shadows, who most of us thought was scum, which actually is saving us a wasted day of going after Shadows. This. Oh....I thought he might be scum/SK... Well, assuming Dave isn't lying, Lego Spy could still be the SK... OK, Mary Jane's Locks clearly make people speak in medieval English. Not necessarily. Let's assume you and Lego Spy are town. The scum don't know what the item does, and want to find out.

No, it wasn't blocked. I know who the blocker targeted, and it wasn't fhomess. Dave contacted me via PM shortly after I told you guys about the flavour cop in-thread. He was fishing for information about the flavour cop's results last night (which the flavour cop had not told me at that point). He then wanted to get investigated by the flavour cop, assuming it was a standard cop instead of a role-cop. Later, he wanted me to vote for Tammo. I really don't know. Dave doesn't seem super-scummy or super-towny either.

Well, fhomess' action was stolen by Brickelodeon. So it doesn't matter who he targeted last night. It would be interesting to know though. Don't publicly reveal your items though.

Why Zepher? There is some sort of obsession with townreading Zepher for no reasons whatsoever. First Tammo, then Lind, now you too! Thankfully, we lynched the redirector role yesterday, so no more meddling with night actions (well, the thief kinda does, but nobody else). Right then, the cop is confirmed legit. Definitely not paranoid. I can see why you revealed the bomb - scum already know, and it could root out a scum (mostly or jluck). There is no reason to reveal Aquaman's Coif though. Now that you've basically told us everything, can you clarify whether it does absolutely nothing or something useless (like the Cupid's Arrow). :laugh: Nice one, Shadows. Making him fall in love with himself! Yes. Assuming you're town, this person will be the first town clear. They can then take the thief costume. Even if you don't reveal it now, it will be obvious from whoever takes the costume. I was rereading Days One & Two when I noticed something disturbing. Tammo listed three townreads on Day One: myself, Bob and Zepher. When I am scum making up "townreads", I like to include both scumbuddies and townies in the "reads", for WIFOM when I die and am revealed as scum. The "townreads" of scum are usually either suspected or trusted more, because of WIFOM. Including both town and scum in the "reads" adds a level of WIFOM to screw around with town. Ergo, I suspect that both town and scum were included in his reads. I know I am town. Furthermore, I think Tammo "townread" me because I am a newer player and he thought he could take advantage of and manipulate me (At the point when he outed his "reads", I did have a townread on him). I have a townread on Bob, and I think Tammo "townread" Bob because it would make Bob look bad when he flipped scum. That just leaves Zepher. On Day Two, Tammo claimed to have attempted to kill Zepher. We have no way of knowing whether he was lying or not, since Shadows redirected him to TPRU. We know Shadows wasn't lying because he was town. Imagine you are Tammo, having just been caught as scum by the Cop, and knowing that since you were redirected, you can make up a "kill choice". Why not say that you tried to kill a scumbuddy? It will make them look good when you flip town. On that basis, Tammo probably said that he'd tried to kill Zepher. What he forgot was that he had claimed to "townread" Zepher earlier. The other thing which makes me wary of Zepher is the number of people who have "townreads" on him for NO REASON WHATSOEVER. I'm looking at you, Lind and Brick. So yeah, I think Zepher might be scum. My reasoning is probably flawed; feel free to point out any gaps in this theory.

I've noticed that on Day Two, mostly grabbed the item that Mencot had on Day One. Now on Day Three, mostly is grabbing the item that Mencot had on Day Two. Both of them voted on the Shadows wagon yesterday. Thoughts?

It could be paranoid... but I'm just being paranoid here I agree with the kill choice, although it's too bad he was town. Still, we know he was telling the truth about the Draggy cop claim. I also agree with the scum motives for killing Lady K. JJP seems like an ideal SK kill as well. I think we should look into all the people who tried to get a bandwagon on Shadows (town) yesterday instead of Tammo (scum). The living players who voted for Shadows at any point yesterday were: Lego Spy, Mencot, mostlytechnic, and Walter (who voted very early on, before the bandwagon). In fact, we could also look into the people who tried to get Lind (a random candidate) lynched instead of Tammo: Bob, jluck, Brickelodeon, Walter Out of these, I think Brickelodeon at this point is very unlikely to be scum. If you are, Brick, then I take my Green Hair off to you for a great bussing tactic

1. Blackbeard's Shag Brickelodeon 2. War Machine's Similar Helmet 3. Joker's Silly Green Hair Dragonfire 4. Iron Patriot's Helmet jluck 5. Aquaman's Coif Brick, I had serious doubt last night about the lynch, well done. Oops, accidentally quoted jluck

Don't completely rule it out. There is almost definitely no framer costume, but the scum might have a framer as one of their abilities.

Do you seriously think Pelly would include a costume which only benefits scum? Framer is of no use to town. I doubt scum have any abilities other than kill (maybe conversion though). They might have had a framer... Two redirectors is absurd. So are two bulletproofs. All I can think of is that Stickfig was lying to save himself, although he was town. However, two cops with differing sanities is quite plausible.

Look. There is no bus driver, since we have a redirector. Stop using this as an excuse. If you flip town, we'll look at the other two more closely tomorrow; Lind won't be bulletproof then.

I asked him this. He checked with def and def told him that he could not, unfortunately. You're a werewolf ?? You would rather keep your vote on a random n00b instead of vote for the guy who you set up to be lynched? This looks awfully like you're trying to evade responsibility for the lynch. Isn't a Bus Driver the same as a Redirector? There's almost a 0% chance that there are both a Redirector and a Bus Driver in this game. Thanks, mostly. Yes, I do agree. Excuse me? In no way are you confirmed town. Until the cop clears you, or there is some definitive evidence to support your towniness, I am not completely trusting anyone. Can you please clarify who you are referring to? Tammo or Lind? Overall, my vote stands. I think that if Tammo is town, his lynch would give us more information and help town more than Shadows' lynch if he was town.

OK, just got WiFi again. Rereading everything right now.

What possible benefits would lying about a costume to save a buddy have for me? Because costumes are passed around, a lie would quickly be exposed and both of us would die for it. I think Stickfig was lying to save his own skin, although he was town. I cannot believe there are two bulletproofs in this game; yet I know Mr Freeze's Coolant is one.

I'm on my phone here and won't be able to post until 9pm tonight Canada time. Lind has the bulletproof costume so dont lynch him.

Read Shadows' post, Day One. I don't think we should lynch fhomess, but I do think we should control his ability somewhat. Good point. And this is why I wouldn't lynch Shadows today. He's practically setting himself up for a lynch and making himself look Scummy. Town or scum, you summed that up perfectly. Imagine Shadows and Tammo are both scum. Brick comes in today with a guilty report on Tammo. To save his buddy, Shadows lies that a dead player was the Cop; this throws doubt on the sanity of Brick's costume and gives Tammo a loophole. Surely that's a reason to lie? This isn't correct. Have you considered the possibility that Dragonator was the insane cop and Shadows is town? Tammo, I'm really sorry if you're town. I've looked at everything said today and I feel that it is logically better to lynch you than anyone else today. Lynching you may prove or disprove the cop's sanity (unless, of course, he is paranoid), and also remove a potentially dangerous role from the mix. So without further ado, Vote: The Joker (Tamamono)

Watcher and Protector, be on Dave tonight :)