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Well I definitely give you credit for putting in the effort, and I quite like what you have come up with Nothing wrong with lots of pullbacks haha, some of my best memories with Lego as a kid was racing my pull back cars up the hallway and seeing which one went the furthest. I do laugh when I hear adults complain that the mustang was a pullback set, its clearly meant for kids and you're not the target audience. I feel like you've done a pretty decent job with the list, I think there would truly be something/multiple things for everyone there. There isn't any mid range filler sets here either (like a pointless, minimal function Ferrari with way too many stickers). I can see why some people say technic is loosing its way with consistent releasing stuff like that. In my opinion the 42078 Mack Anthem was a great functional set that still looked good, whilst also having a B-model, whilst also being around the same price point as mentioned Ferrari. Sets like that seem way more 'technic' to me, and I feel like we are getting less and less of those types of sets now. Leave the show focused cars to creator expert. Speaking of sets with B-models, the B-model forklift idea for the firetruck sounds like a great idea! For me that sounds better than say - adding lots of chrome pieces. I feel stuff like chrome pieces should be the icing on the cake of an already great model, not something that is added to get the model over the line sales wise. The high end price flagship models are for a more specific audience anyway. I don't think they should be aimed at the casual builder but more so your AFOL, and a B-model definitely is a big plus in that regard. The Golf GTI 1:8 car sounds way more interesting and different to me than the upcoming SP3, and at a better price point too. One thing I like about the Speed Champions sets is the range of cars they make, classics like a countach, older generation racers and muscle cars all make appearances. I wish some of that variety was more present in the technic line up too. I would definitely buy a hot hatch like said Golf or a Honda Civic Type R. Lox Lego's recent Subaru STI and other muscles cars are quite popular and show that people are interested in other things apart from super/hypercars. I have similar thinking to this as well, I too would take the 2 set option. This is very much the way I would approach things too. Making sure the following year is varied to so it gets different options than the year before, if you had a medium and flagship truck this year - next year can be small and large. Exactly like you mention with "Air and water are a bit under-represented, so next year will have a large aircraft". I like your list as well, there is definitely a good range of everything there. Like Allans list above everything stills feels technic focussed without having money grabbing sets that are clearly for display and not for the "build for real" experience. In the current technic lineup though there is no way near an even representation of mentioned categories... which I guess is the main problem for people.

@allanp hmmm if we do go completely crazy like you've mentioned how much extra cost would that add to the final model? If they're selling the bulldozer for $400usd they might sell something crazy like that for $500usd - you might gain customers from the extra functions but you might loose others because the cost is pushed up higher. I agree with you completely that one large set could be way more exciting than 4 small ones. I guess some people might prefer getting 4 smaller sets for more variety, or other people might think they are getting more value from 3 or 4 sets that cost the same as one big one. For example if I go on Lego AU right now, the bulldozer is $750au... I can buy the BMW bike ($320au) the tow truck ($270au) and all 4 monster jam sets ($132au) all for $722au - $28 less. I guess when a single set is that expensive people are always going to compare it to what else they can get with that sort of money, and there's lot of options when you are looking at the lego shop as a whole - not just the technic section. For me if I'm going to drop a high amount of money on anything, it has to be something I really like - and that starts with subject matter and then then execution of whatever it is. I personally wouldn't care if the UCS supercar came out every 3 or 4 years instead of every 2 if it meant that it gave them the time to execute it better. If you wanted to give all interests a fair go you would rotate the flagship topics, so this year could be the Firetruck, the next year some sort of tracked vehicle, the next year a Supercar, the next year some sort of construction vehicle like a huge crane, then you could go to back to some sort of truck etc... But I guess life's not always fair or equal and as mentioned LEGO will offer what sells well - and if that happens to be lots of cars... or if what sells well doesn't necessary meet AFOL's expectations then that might be hard to change.

Yes I saw this being promoted when the Australian Grand Prix was on. It’s funny how they’ll put the correct effort for the tyre branding for that model but not with the official set…

I understand that example was meant as a flagship. But the idea that fire trucks, super cars, helicopters etc aren’t interesting to everyone can be applied to any model of any subject at any price point. For example I won’t buy a fire truck if the price is $40, $400, or anywhere in between. Out of curiosity do you have an idea for a single set that would have wide appeal? I agree with you it would be more interesting to see an idea for an entires year lineup, you can make a better judgement. But I wouldn’t blame any one on here for not wanting to put the effort in to think of that.

Interesting discussion going on and good to hear peoples opinions in a respectful way. To answer your questions first... 1. The 'good old days' are going to be different to everyone. I'm personally on the younger end of the AFOL, I've never owned or even seen a studded technic set. The technic sets I had as a kid were actually the Racer branded sets, the first technic branded set I ever bought was the Porsche GT3 RS in my early 20's. I was actually blown away by how much further lego had come since I was a kid. When I compare the Porsche to supercar models now days it's not that great, which for me shows how much the standard has improved in the past 5 years. Like other people have mentioned, Lego make models based on what brings in profit. They are a business after all. What they are doing currently must be working for them. You cannot make one thing that pleases everybody (is true for everything in life), but I think Lego do a good job offering enough variety that everyone that's interested in the hobby would find something they like. If you truly don't like anything that lego puts out then go design something you like instead, Lego definitely hasn't taken a step back with the parts on offer. Its never better in terms of being able to create your own MOCs. The things that do frustrate me though... Its hard to take the "build for real" slogan seriously when they consistently put out models that don't live up to that... 1 wheel drive Senna, The flexari, Porsche with incorrect gear sequence, Bugatti without working front suspension, Osprey that shreads the gears and gets cancelled, Raptor without AWD, + whatever else fits. On the flip side its also hard to take display focused models seriously when they are covered in blue pins, have stickers that don't quite match the colour of the part its being applied too, have pieces with inconsistent colouring, or in the case of the Mclaren F1 car - a model that doesn't even look like what its representing. All of that I would not consider to be taking a step forward. 2. I think MOC's will always have the potential to be better than what ever Lego puts out. As a designer in my own living room I'm not restricted by: total part count, part efficiency, colour vomit, how expensive it is, who its marketed too, how complicated it is to actually assemble and make instructions for, what functions it does or doesn't have etc... On the flip side MOC's have the potential to be much worse that Lego sets as well, when designing from your own living room there is no company standards, building techniques etc that you have to meet. Truly exceptional MOCs aren't common, and for every excellent one there are many more that would get absolutely torn to shreds with criticism if they were an official set. 3. I do not think the fun is gone. There are many sets that I think would be fun to build, I just don't buy them. The recent 42128 tow truck is a great example. Would I like to and enjoy building it? - Yes. Am I actually interested though in having a tow truck on my shelf? - No. Is the model useful as a parts pack for my MOCs? - No. So just because I won't buy it, doesn't mean its a bad model. I'm sure it'll bring lots of enjoyment to the target audience. And for me, the most fun is when I make my own MOC's. As mentioned above I personally think the parts on offer are fantastic and there's been many cool new panels/frames etc released recently that make things better and better. To comment on some other things... This is an excellent point! You have to remember too that even if a designer designs something bad, its still getting approved by whoever higher up that makes the final decisions. For me they are equally to blame for approving something that is no good. Take the failing suspension on the front of the Bugatti for example. Yes the designer did a bad job, but his superiors have still declared it fit for market. Even the people at Bugatti had to approve the model. If I hypothetically was the person at Bugatti overseeing the co-operation and Lego comes to me with that? I'd be saying 'sorry that's not good enough, come back with something better". Even with the upcoming UCS SP3, what's to say the designer doesn't want to create an awesome front engined Ferrari 812 competizione instead? I doubt he has much control over what is given to him to design. Part of making a great model is great source material and it's not the designers fault if he is given bad source material. I will wait until I see the final model for further judgement, but from first opinions its not the best car to be dumping on a designer. It's doesn't really offer the chance to do anything new compared to existing lineup, different type of doors and a small removable roof but not much else. Even from a visual point things like the shape of the windscreen are not very good, and the position of the front mirrors are terrible too. Take away the actually 'screen' from the windscreen and your not left with much, and what should we expect for the front mirrors? The same little panels again somehow hanging of the front wheel arch? You lost me at $400 dollars and fire truck. Why? Because both of those things already won't appeal to everyone. Even if the set is absolutely amazing and includes everything you said, some people just won't have the budget for that and other people won't buy it because they simply don't like fire trucks. Like I mentioned above one thing will never appeal to everyone. They key is making a range of stuff that something there will appeal to everyone. Has Lego got that range right? that's for each individual to decide. I personally don't care if something I really really like only comes around every few years, I understand not everything is for everyone and that's ok. I personally spend much more money on bricklink than I do on offical sets.

I like it too! And agree that the Mclaren vibes is definitely there. It’s cool to see some more freestyle models, I like seeing the creativity of what people come up with. The paneling around the rear arches is especially well done

I vote for no. I don’t see the point in booting technic related models somewhere else because the forum is too busy. What’s the point of having a technic forum then. I personally wouldn’t bother looking at them if they were somewhere else. It’s nice to see more Mocs here instead of threads complaining about official sets (I’m guilty as well). +1 for unpinning the hall of fame, it’s useless if not getting updated.

Time... no one magically gets better at anything overnight. Keep making stuff and you’ll find you’ll get better with each one. A few years from now you’ll find yourself making stuff you didn’t think you could. Also understand that you won’t always find the best solution to something straight away. In my experience, some solutions take minutes to work out, others take weeks or months... Sariels “unofficial technic builders guide” is a good book as well. Will help you understand a lot of different concepts when it comes to technic building. You can also start a wip thread for a build your working on, some people on here might then be able to give more specific advice to certain things. (edit: spelling errors)

@brunojj1 Just another MOC (not for CADA) I started towards the end of 2020 and put on pause when I started the yellow re-work of the Senna. Now that that's done I've slowly been working on it again. I have the Gold Sian wheels on it currently but was just exploring and seeing if there were any other options. I was quite surprised when those silver ones fit, but the extra width it creates is a no go... The model is already so far down the design process that the width of the chassis/bodywork cannot be changed to account for it. Nor would I specifically want to design the car to only work with the CADA wheels as I'd prefer it to work with the traditional lego standard. So sticking with the Sian ones

Yup the cheapest ones in Australia are $13 a piece... So far I've had success avoided them and designed with the shorter 7l panels and other methods instead. Hopefully the rumoured Ferrari UCS brings them back and makes them a bit cheaper. Lime looks good! Would be my favourite colour so far.

So I just realised the other night that the wheels from CADA "Ferrari" fit on the disk brake pieces by connecting them with 3x2L pins. Unlike the Porsche rims this actually works perfectly. Some rims that can be used on both disk brake models and non disk brake models sounded to good to be true. Sadly it is because I came to realise that the offset when doing this turns out to be different to the Bugatti/Sian rims and the CADA wheels stick out more. So you cannot simply put them on existing models with disk brakes... So close yet so far

@LegoHoops flex axle halo looks much cleaner! Glad someone added a proper steering wheel to the model as well. The changes with the little panels to the sides behind the front wheels looks much better too. As much a I like Mclaren, it would seem that way at the moment

@ernestomn98 I did all the changes while I built the pimped up version. Since the chassis is different and I changed other things as I went along I couldn’t possibly tell you every change from the stock version. But if you wanted to improve your model I’d encourage you to just have a go yourself and see what you come up with.

I personally don't think new pieces are really necessary. Yes there are some things that would nice, but like people have already mentioned I think there is always a solution to what you are trying to make with what's already available. After all I think finding an answer with what you have is part of the whole challenge to begin with. I think the biggest challenge to a designer is the limited colour pallets, which Cada can completely avoid because they can do whatever they want. As a MOC maker, If you could have every existing part in whatever colour you wanted, there would be way more possibilities.

Great to see this finally finished! The functions and details are top notch, the amount of time and effort you put in the model definitely shows in the finished product. The way you merge system and technic so well is something that you do best, I haven't seen any one else do that with such effectiveness. But with all the details it would be nice to see some transparent pieces in the side mirrors. I'm surprised no ones whinged about the beam stacking yet, which seems common place on this forum... But I personally think you get away with it considering the sheer amount of system pieces. All the flat silver looks great, and adds a special touch. However I don't really like the 2 tone versions very much at all. I much prefer the look of the all black and yellow renders. Would love to see an all dark blue version without the white. Regardless I appreciate you finally making a version that can be built out of pure lego. Well done and thanks for sharing

I always use tyre size for scaling (I learnt this the hard way) So depending if the real car has 19/20/21 inch tyres the scaling is slightly different. You don't notice between models if the scale is slightly different (say one is 1:8 and the other is 1:8.4), but you do notice on an individual model if the wheels aren't in proportion with the bodywork. If the car has different size wheels on the front and back I take the average and use that for scaling. (so 20/21 inch I would scale of 20.5) The Sian for example isn't 1:8 anyway, its closer to 1:8.4. Take all the real life dimensions, divide by 8 and compare to the model, you will find that its all out. Divide the real life dimensions by 1:8.4 and you'll find they're much closer to the model. Putting 1:8.4 scale on the box just don't sound or look good so they just say otherwise. As for bodywork, I generally print out the blueprints in the correct scale I'm working (top/side/front/back view). Then you can literally just placed panels on the paper to get an idea of what works and what looks good.

Yes I did the same thing with my Senna model. I think at this scale it could still look weird if there's a mudguard panel on the front and then a weird combination of whatever at the back. Would kinda ruin the flow I think. Even if they do go that panel route, getting the way the rear grill merges with the wheel arch would still be a massive challenge to do cleanly and accurately. Haha true, but I don't think the weird olive green colour helps the Sians case. I think it looks better when you see the versions in some other colours. I would take an all purple Sian over the SP3 any day. Made my day My thoughts too. I will keep final judgement until I see the finished model. But fingers crossed this is a decent parts pack to build T-Lego's upcoming LaFerrari... or to make my own Ferrari MOC. The wheels are probably the only thing I'm looking forward too, be good to add silver wheels to the rather limited options. (Chiron wheels don't go with much, and Sian's gold wheels don't suit everything)

Well I can't say I'm really looking forward to this at all... In my opinion this has to be one of the ugliest Ferraris to have chosen. Using the existing wheel arch panels they are definitely not going to do a good job of the rear section at all. Be interesting to see what they come up with.

Best version yet! Roof is much better Shame about the blue 15100, but I don't see a better option. Man I both hate and love dark azure haha A lot of cars are like this, I guess it helps you get closer to the seats when getting in and out.

When I read this... "For 2022, the LEGO Technic designers have worked closely with the designers at McLaren Racing. Both sets of experts developed their model at the same time, making this a very special collaboration." ... on there website... I really don't understand how they could stuff this model up so badly. From the 2021 livery to the fact that the model doesn't really resemble the photos of the 2022 McLaren released earlier today. It's like a hybrid mix between the 2021 and 2022 car. Not to mention the tyre choices and the ridiculous sticker steering wheel. (why couldn't they use something like this https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=40001#T=C) The only saving grace for me is that I really like McLarens, its close to 8:1 scale and there's a stack of new interesting pieces in the model. I've wanted to get an F1 model for a while now, so will probably eventually buy it at a heavy discount and do some serious modifications to it.

@Jeroen Ottens I would agree with this comment. The front and rear end are shaping up very nicely though! The top view of the hood with the vents looks great. I like the rear spoiler as well, is there a linkage to make it go up and down? The overhang does look the most difficult part of the bodywork... I've though about designing a Lotus Evija (similar wacky aero tricks at the back) but not sure I could pull it off. I'm sure you'll figure out something in the end. I know the part availability doesn't allow you to do what Jerry did above, but maybe you could redesign the roof slightly to have a long flex axle running in a similar way he has. That combined with the 5/6 panel might work.

That's what I'd assume, but I think there's better ways to say that. Uncluded implies you don't get any, included would imply that you would. (unless it's a spelling error, U and I are next to each other on the keyboard). Plus I don't know why you'd bother giving blue pins when (I assume) most people would use the black ones...

Tell me about it! It would have been a perfect opportunity to do something completely different from what lego offers, like purple or yellow. But instead they went with legos sticker route. Any colour: orange, red, green, blue would've looked better. When you look on there website I also found this a bit strange. "black pins UNcluded". What does that mean?? There are obvious blue pins showing in the model, I don't know why they'd do that after releasing Bruno's model with all black pins.

This looks very good so far. It amazes me how you pump out so many quality models in what seems to be such a short amount of time. As people have mentioned dark azure is going to be troublesome... but I look forward to seeing how it all comes together. In my opinion those 3x13 curved panels behind the roof look too curved, not sure if placing a 5/6 panel there would suit the shape of the real car better. One thing that I tend not to like when people make this car is... In attempt to keep the roofline low the roof and side windows in particular can look too squashed. Your's so far doesn't suffer from that so good job

I would be pretty surprised if it wasn’t red... I would also be surprised if those new red panels on the Porsche didn’t make an appearance, I find it hard to believe they were purely created for that set. If I have a quick look on Carsales.com for my country (Australia) and filter by Ferrari and then colour. Red blows everything out of the water. At the time of writing yellow only comes in 6th, with surprisingly more available for sale in blue... Red - 62 Black - 16 Grey - 14 Blue - 12 White - 11 Yellow - 9