Hinckley

Oh ,oops. Sorry. I only read the first paragraph. As much as you like to attack me as a person and turn the game into something personal, this isn't about ego. I enjoy the puzzle and investigating and trying to piece it all together. I like to do it. You can call that an ego need to be the center of attention if you want and continuously attack who I am and take the game too seriously, that's your choice. All of that aside, I think I'm cleared enough. I don't think you'll turn up as Town because of your behavior before this last post. I don't think you're telling the truth. Don't you think a Cult-Hunter who was insisting that finding the day killer was the most important thing for us to do seems at least a bit suspicious? I'm sorry, but I don't think all of your answers are satisfactory. Anything I've found, I can pass to Rowlf, if I get lynched. We won't have lost anything. As a matter of fact, if the Town loses both of us, they may actually be in a better position, because they won't have to keep wondering about us and if we've been converted, etc. If the Scum or Cult (if there even is one) can convert, then people will wonder about me for the rest of the game anyway. I can pass my information on and the Town can be rid of a likely conversion target. I stand by what I've said (and have been consistent with despite Shadell calling it unhinged). Shadell is either Scum pulling and elaborate ruse or the Cult Leader herself. My money is on the former. If Shadell is telling the truth, lynch me. Gladly as this would be the craziest Matilda dream ever if it's true and I'd rather not try to find a Scum team and a Cult. I'd rather have my sanity.

So your case against me, which you won't vote for, is that I'm wrong about the meatshield because you believe I hosted The Forest II poorly and my Town behavior reminds you of my behavior in Matilda's dream called "Bloodbrick". So, you're so desperate all you have is metagaming. Daisy, don't forget the other odd option: Matilda turns up Town in the morning. Wouldn't that be a shit factory?

Don't call the Governor dumb. He's doing what he thinks is right. Here's my plea to the Governor: If the Town decides to lynch Shadell, which they haven't even started to do yet, and she comes up Town in the morning, then we know the Cult is real. At that point, you'll know I'm Cult Leader. Lynch me at that point. I'll gladly volunteer for the lynch and spend my last 72 hours trying to help the Town. If the Town decides to lynch Shadows and you govern it, we're right back where we started. We'll know nothing. I won't be dead because I'm not a cult member, I can guarantee you that. And Shadell will have more confusing things to say about why I didn't die. Let the Town get their answers if they want them. We'll only progress if we get the answers we need. We only have two votes at this point, so it's probably too early to discuss, but don't fall for Shadell's lies just because you are friends and she's charismatic. That's how sociopaths ruin people's lives. They wouldn't be able to if they didn't have the skills to get an in with you. Then just vote for me. Or would my dead Town corpse ruin your plans to confuse everyone? Come on Shadell, vote for me. What are you afraid of? Bok bok bok bok bok ba-kok!! Hedgehogs are notoriously childish at times. That reminds me. Time to feed the chickens.

How would I have control over that? The Town would lynch me.

Consider this: Shadell is the Godfather. He can't be blocked or killed. That's the Scum balance. Whatever he actually is doing, he ran into Beeker along the way. Beeker and Bunsen get rolled in and they investigate Matilda, because she showed up targeting Bunsen. What else would Shadell do at that point? Try to defend another Scum? No, he'd have to meatshield Matilda. To metagame: why does he deny he does this when he just did it to Amy in Matilda's dream called The Forest II. Remember that dream? You were a dog. So, if Matilda got involved in the mix when Shadell was targeting Beeker, then Shadell would have to meatshield her. So, it's not a calculated risk or a ridiculous gambit, it's covering up what he couldn't defend without giving himself away. It's a forced meatshield to save the Godfather and the crazy Cult story to scare everyone into believing it. Why else would Shadell not have outed Matilda in the morning himself? He tells me he was distracted by the lunch conversation. And why else would he really be looking for the day killer? How is the day killer his biggest concern when it's supposed to be the Cult Leader? Enough. Vote: Shadell (Shadows) I don't buy her story.

What? If I'm the Cult Leader and I'm dead how could they all be converted? I'm saying if we lynch you and you come up as Town, I'll vote for myself the next day. How would the day killer be working for the conversion-only Cult? That's utter nonsense! So, God put us up against a Scum team that can't kill and a Cult that can? My beloved day killer? I don't love him/her. I just got the claim today and after I came poking around. I don't trust the day killer. He/she did kill who I asked him/her to, but it doesn't mean he has the same win condition I do, which is to kill all of the Scum-the Town objective.

I don't want to misrepresent you at all. If we can confirm this is real somehow, great. I'd rather have you with us than against us. But since you've, in typical fashion, focused on me and are now accusing me of being the Cult Leader, I have a tendency to think you're lying since I know I'm no such thing. It's a stupid question? Oh, then I apologize. Thanks for clearing that one up. We'll all just stop asking the question that we only have your convoluted guess of an answer to. I still say if you believe the Cult Members will come up as Neutral when killed, like you said to me in private - do you deny that? - then the investigators would see them as neutral as well. This must be just like every other play ever written. Remember the other one with lunches? Or the other one where the Hider was also a watcher somehow? Good argument there.

Damn it! Then lynch me...

What if he is the Cult Leader, Dansmith? What if he converts me? Yes, if we lynch Shadell and she shows up Town, we can have the vig kill me before voting even starts. I'm fine with that. I'd stake my life on the fact that Shadell is lying. Shadell, please enlighten everyone as to why your most important focus of the day was finding the day killer. You told me in private, but I think everyone would love to hear why the Cult-Hunter, looking for a conversion only Cult, needed to know what side the killer was on. Please regale us with your tales of bravery hunting for the day killer that was somehow working with the Cult. This is my favorite part (makes popcorn).

Do you really think what you're saying doesn't sound the least bit hard to believe? Laughing at us is not the reaction I would expect if your role is actually as convoluted as the roleclaims you usually make up. Investigating the Cult Leader kills him or her? What?

Save me a minute of looking back. Has God told you that Town Investigators get a Town result on Cult Members?

Oh, Really? What is it telling of. Here's the wager. If I'm a cult member at this moment, I will go back to Mafia School. I said very clearly, you are either Scum pulling off an elaborate gambit or the Cult leader yourself. So, what's so telling? Why don't you try to get me lynched if you're so convinced that I'm the Cult Leader? Wouldn't my dead Cult body in the morning be the quickest vindication of your megablocks story? Really, what is my reaction telling you? I'm intrigued. I'd love to hear more.

I'm not bulletproof from being converted! Why are you so keen on staying alive one more night, so you can convert the Town leader into the cult? I don't believe what you're telling us. He won't get a result of Cult, we all know that because two people have already gotten the result of "Town". You're taking his word that Town investigators would get Town results if they investigate a Cult member. I find that very hard to believe? Why would God give us only one way to find the Cult? Do we have a night investigator? Our Day Investigator investigated me today. How will we investigate Shadell tonight?

Sorry I was typing too fast. You said they'd come up as Neutral. So, if they do, and you think I'm the cult leader, why did Bunsen, just today, get a Town reading on me? You said in private that they'd come up neutral when lynched or killed. Why would they come up Town in investigations? Just so you would be the only way we could find Cultists. Shadell, you're either Scum running a crazy gambit, which you love to do, or you're the Cult Leader yourself. Focusing on me is tiring. So, we're going to let a potential cult leader live overnight so he can convert again? Maybe convert me so he can say he told you all so? Please don't fall for this people. It's full of holes...

As I've been napping I see three pages of new posts have popped up. I'm very busy with hedgheog business this morning so I'll go back over these post more thoroughly later. Let me ask one thing: Do you guys really think I need to be investigated again? We've received Town results from Fozzie and Bunsen. Not neutral, as a cult member should show up, but Town. Why would anyone think that the Cult would come up as Town in investigation. Shadell herself told me in private that the cult members would come up Town when lynched or killed, at least that's what she thinks. Why wouldn't they come up as Cult, Shadell?

Why again did the hider see Matilda targeting Bunsen?

Like telling someone you're looking for a cult on Day Two? I certainly don't mind spreading around the fact that I'm bulletproof. Hopefully keeps the Scum killer away so I can get some work done.

Thank you. That makes much more sense.

If you want to split hairs, I revealed it to others long before you revealed it to me.

Bunsen investigated Matilda and got a Scum result. The only way Shadell is Scum if it's a meatshield and yes I would believe she would do that. That has to be the only way. The Scum wouldn't give themselves away so easily. Why would the Scum come up with a ruse that gave away three of them??? And Shadell could still be a cult member herself. Sorry, Shadell. It's true. Look at it from our perspective. I don't think it'd be stupid to lynch you. But, Jimmy has a good point. If the Hider is like the one on that website that Daisy hates then Shadell should've already had a result on Bunsen and Beeker. If Beeker's a Hider, and he hid behind Bunsen and Shadell investigated Beeker, he should've gotten results on both on Night One. That's where I'm confused right now. It is convenient to not be able to be blocked, jailed or hidden from. That hidden from is the one that is striking me as odd right now. That's highly convenient and really really odd. By definition the Hider causes the Action targeting him to get the results on both people. Why would Shadell's role prevent that? Hider is supposed to benefit the Town in that it investigates or protects two targets. Why would the psychiatrist be immune to that?? Am I misunderstanding something, Shadell? Please don't call me stupid. I know you called the Town stupid earlier, but you have to admit it's really odd.

Dansmith, it's also possible it's all megablocks and he's meatshielded Matilda to get us to believe he's the psychiatrist when there isn't even a megablocking Cult. Sorry, hedgehogs are notoriously randomly hot-headed. I'm starting to agree with you, as I stated before your long post. But, like anything else, would we be better to just know now if it's even real or not??

Shadell knows quite a bit about many things. It seems like he's either been working for the Town or people have been stupidly claiming things to him. He's corroborated a couple things. We have a weird inventor that steals the votes of the person they target. He knew about that somehow. Was anyone talking to Jane? Did she have an Action?

Everyone is confused so we must all be Scum. I would like to propose we do what we always do when tensions are high on the farm. Wet T-shirt pillow fight!! Gets hose Oh, it was Patty the Horse, not Sara who used the Scummy asterisks.

Yes, Matilda was Janice. We had enough evidence to know she is Scum. If she's not, then Bunsen will pay for it. The vig is working with us. Let's call him Sweetums as that's my favorite Muppet! I'm glad Matilda is dead as she just said something crazy about targeting Ginny but actually targeting Bunsen but she forgot what she had actually done. I hardly want to dig back through it. Ginny and Rowlf have both received clarifications on their Night Actions. Apparently Ginny didn't see someone else outside my cave. She only saw that I had no object. Apparently the original result was given to her by mistake, but that is according to Ginny... Rowlf's clarification about the block and protect earlier came in a similar fashion. I think God might have gotten a little confused tonight as I needed a clarification on my lunch result as well. Let's try to sort through all of this to figure out what actually happened and what we should do with Shadell. I want Shadell to play because she can be a lot of fun, but I just can't trust her yet. I feel torn. The Cult story is a bit hard to swallow and psychiatrist is a common Scum claim. Shall we lynch Sara for using the asterisks? Save the Shadell headache for another day?

Your story does have corroboration from Bunsen. My worries are your poor explanation of the result, which could've just been a slip and the fact that you and I both have bulletproof vests. As you say here, there's likely a balance. I have a bulletproof vest and we have two investigation results on me that both say Town. That would be unbalanced to have two bulletproof Townies. Also, I'm not immune to blocks, hiding, jailing, so I would imagine I at least have more shots in my vest than you do. At least I hope so. I think there's a balance as well and you are the bulletproof Scum...or maybe there is a cult and you're the bulletproof cult leader yourself. Or you could be Town! I know that's still possible. Let me check this. You targeted Beeker and found him in Bunsen's room. Right? I think Scum would follow up on this anyway. However, if Shadell is unlikely enough to get this nutso role, this is what I would expect a Townie to do. The cult can't kill so I think you're safe. Why would the Scum want to kill you if you're out to get the cult. They should want to get the cult too. I think since the Scum would want to get rid of the Cult just as much as the Town. So, if you're the Scum Psychiatrist...Yikes I'm really sorry. I don't want to be close-minded to the possibilities that you are Town. Now that you have outed yourself, let's all calmly figure this out. Asterisks!! Janice (who Shadell has already told us is Matilda) did say she got a result on Gabby and not Danny. I mixed them up. Sorry about that. So why were you targeting Bunsen? If Matilda is Scum, the Scum know who Bunsen is... Shadell claims to have had long talks about the cult with Matilda. I forget my point there...