Hinckley

I'll be out of town and thus away from the internet for the next week. Sowwy! It seems to be getting very interesting, indeed.

Which the hell one of us is Lt. Spencer?

1. The final job was admittedly a little convoluted. But, there were two parts. The first part was Quarrioni, Dickie and Alicia moving all the evidence from the warehouse to the alley. That part was successful, because there was no rat involved. Piav, Ian and Johnny Blue were supposed to load the second truck and escort it to the city limits. That part failed because Ian was a rat. When the cops came, Ian fell out of the cab of the truck and got hung up on the door by his jacket for a second. His wire fell off and he landed on it, smashing it. Piav heard him drop something and Alicia (who had returned to help-not kill, Quarryman ) saw the smashed wire on the ground. Johnny Blue was hit in the head by some poorly stacked trash and Alicia saved him from the cops and then to create a diversion fired a couple of shots into the idling truck which exploded. Quarryman and Dickie went through the Theater to rescue Piav and Ian ran off on his own to use the bathroom or something. 2. Pencoin was just crazy as a person. Pedro wasn't created to be a crass attention-hungry moron.

Well, that's what it turned out to be anyway, so the slip was truth...

I should've killed ptdapen the day he didn't vote. I believe Adam also didn't vote that day. Adam came back with some lame excuse "I thought I did vote." Then he voted the next day before the third or fourth post and never posted again. My point is, I drew a name out of a cup between ptdapen and Adam, the two non-participants and drew out ptdapen to kill randomly. I chose to let it slide because I didn't want to leave Shadows at an unfair advantage. Again I use this emoticon: In the long run, it's better that I let ptdapen live because it gave you goons your one correct conviction. Way to go.

It's also a good reminder of how to start the camera! Er, nope. Wasn't me.

I'm going to be gone for a week starting Saturday. I think if Tanotrooper doesn't respond by the time I get back, we take him off the list. I'm not sure how we would re-start that game at this point anyway. Perhaps he can just start a new Roman mafia and actually complete this one.

Oh, did I seem annoyed?

So when the evidence came back that she didn't try to kill anybody, actually saved somebody, blew up the truck and on top of all that had been a successful part of your half of the mission-not to mention jumping out of the truck in the first place to come to everybody's aid-none of that swayed your opinion any? Really, that amazes me that one part of a sentence made you think she was a rat when tons of other evidence I gave you pointing towards Ian had you sluff it off as a "red herring." Also, didn't you get from my writing that if she had continued towards the theater, you would've gone down the alley with your gun drawn? My constructive advice for you in future games is to remove yourself from your perception and look at what the game host is showing you... Great. Now I have to go back and see what I was referring to to figure it out.

Shadows, if anyone tried to kill you at night, you would have shot them dead instead. That's a paranoid gun owner. And that's what you were. Trexxen and Cpt Pegleg Blockbeard, it was so obvious (to me, anyway) when the two of you discovered that the other was a rat. You did it, literally, in the middle of a thread and even said something like "I think you know what I'm talking about. PM me to verify and nobody got suspicious.

That would be so cool. I saved all the PMs I received and sent. I even spent an hour clearing my PM Inbox to 20%, the lowest it's been since I joined the staff...

You were a landmine. If anyone had made fun of your hair, which Perry came dangerously close, you would've killed them. I think the other one was Tony, who if anyone said Megablocks more than three times, he would've killed them... Of course, they were coin flip kills. If the target wouldn't have died, their loyalty would've been revealed to the hitman. Did my rules get a little complicated? yes. You were also spending a lot of time in the Pirates' forum which is understandable. Having new responsibilities is more interesting, I suppose. That's very interesting. Nice job on Boyd and it's fascinating to hear what trouble the "free PM system" caused. I like it. Yes, and that crumpled up note needlessly took Stanton out of the game. Seriously, when everyone jumped on him because the note was found in the trash of his theater, I almost intervened. I almost intervened a few times, but just let things play out instead. But, everyone was meeting at the theater every day. That was the point, sheesh. Next time I'll leave the garbage can in the park. That was annoying to lose Stash2sixx again for no good reason. Seriously, you guys picked up on that non-clue but refused to pick up on the over-abundance of clues pointing to Shadows. Maybe it wasn't Shadows skill that won the game after all. I hope talking megablocks gets you guys all fired up for all out war for Baritones 3. Well, you were the deciding vote that took Dickie out. ricecracker: Sorry, I didn't mention you. You also played very well as did most people in the game. I was just pointing out people who either purposely or inadvertently changed the game drastically. You were another one who died unfairly, I think. I would've liked to have seen you play longer and the reasons you were voted out were ridiculous. May I point out that the goons only made one successful conviction and it was process of elimination because they killed off everyone else on the second botched job already. Ptdapen started out with some good strategies, trying to convince people not to kill people who she knew to be goons. She was the investigator for the rats, trying to find all the others so they could start coordinating. But then he lost interest as well and for some reason nobody paid attention to that and took out every other member of the theater job before taking him out. Honestly, that's a horrible track record for the players in this game. Where would the goons have been without Quarryman?

Thanks everyone for playing and making this a great game. Here are some observances I made during the game and people who made moves that changed the course of the game. Lego12: Why would you guys listen to an obnoxious 12 year-old? For all intents and purposes, this kid should've been banned a long time ago, but somehow still remains a member of EB. He randomly guesses one rat right and everyone turns to him for advice, and he in turn clearly demonstrates being unstable and rambling. So, why would people listen to him when he says there's a cheating wife and one of the adulterous couple is a rat? I never said anything to him about Alicia and Dickie. The kid was literally just making crap up and for some reason you people believed him. And he was loyal, so I have no idea why he would want to spread confusion. So, I wonder if I would add him to a game in the future or not. Trexxen: Wow, dude. Good moves. You killed off every goon with a night action except Quarryman and Johnny Blue. Too many spot on kills leads me to hinder your winning streak by giving away your position with the tried-and-true "look who showed up late." However, this lead to the best match-up of the game. Quarrioni vs. Trexxisanti. Both players were hilariously brilliant in saying, "Hey, let's not worry about each other and we'll just kill who people tell us to." Yeah right. My favorite part was when Ian suggested Quarrioni kill Willie and Trexxisanti kill Pavarti, who was the rat. I'm sure if you all would've taken that bait, you would've woken up with Willie and Quarrioni dead. As it was, a coin toss decided the outcome of the battle. One for each. Coin toss for Trexxen-failed to kill. Coin toss for Quarrioni-killed. If both had failed, no death would've taken place, if both would have killed, I probably would've killed them both off...But, honestly-Trexxen removed most of the goons who had night actions, admitted it-even to killing his own wife-and people were still surprised to see he was a rat. He also made a brilliant conversion with Ian. Quarryman: Made great choices in night killings. If it weren't for you, the rats would've blown the goons out of the water! Next to Trexxen, I think you are the most successful Night Killer ever in an EB mafia game. I would say even more successful than Trexxen, even though he took out all of the night action players, he had a lot of info to decide who had the night actions, you followed your instincts and took out 3 of the 5 dead rats and only killed 2 innocents. Jlblue and Alice: I was really proud of these two. As first time mafia gamers, I was very happy I chose them. I believe they were the only two first-timers and they were awesome. Jlblue, in particular, was pleasing since I knew nothing about him. He could've been another Lego12. But something about his request in the entry thread lead me to choose him as one of the first-timer slots. Both newbies played really well until the lockdown, where they both went inexplicably brain-dead. Another example of how well Shadows played his part. Sir Dillon: In the only blindside of the game, I was even shocked to see that everyone turned on Dragonator. While Dragonator couldn't be turned, being met by Agent Black caused problems for him, for sure. Sir Dillon did a good job convincing everyone that if one of them had to go, it was Dragonator. Your landmine, BTW, was that you were a paranoid gun owner, as was Shadows. Zepher I chose characters and roles at random and he was a woman again! I literally rolled my eyes when I drew his name and I believe it was the second female character I was creating. Anyway, it was a shame to see her go so early because she was playing a hell of a game. I doubt she would've fallen for Shadows' crap! Adam: Through apathy and disinterest he weakened the Baritones by a number of one. If you'd have had one more person, perhaps Quarrioni and Adalaide would've figured out it was Ian. But at the time I killed Adam off, I had PMed him twice to remind him to vote, he went on a business trip without letting us know he'd be gone and even when he was around wasn't posting in the game. I'm not a 12 year-old lawyer babysitter and I didn't think he deserved a hash in the win column for not participating-at the time I thought the goons would win... I was disappointed in anyone who lost interest in this game when there was a waiting list as long as the list of players. Then again, I did allow Pencoin to play. Shadows What the hell, dude? I knew he was a great choice as a convert, but I didn't think he'd steamroll you guys. I could have (as someone mentioned) told everyone it was him and he could've convinced you all not to trust me. I felt I was being a bit unfair with some of the clues I was giving-a chef's hat for God's sake!-but I could've hit you guys over the head with a hammer and you wouldn't have noticed. I tried to make it a little more fair for everyone since everyone seemed to trust him so much. Quarryman laid out the order in which he trusted people so I had Dickie back him up in the botched job and Alicia save Johnny Blue's life and tried to throw 100 clues towards Ian being suspicious and nothing changed his outlook. I believe you guys called my clues "red herrings" . What the hell. Let's take a look at those "red herrings" that you dismissed and it got you killed: Piav said he heard Ian "knock something out of the truck." Ian said it was out of the back. I clearly told Piav it was out of the CAB, but who can pay attention to detail when clues are being given? Alicia saw a crushed wire outside the truck in the alley. Let's go over that again, Ian drops something-Piav hears it fall-Johnny Blue notices them crash into eachother-Alice sees a crushed wire on the ground where they ran into eachother-but let's just dismiss the wire as a red herring...morons. Fiber Con Chef Hat Picture of family * Feds sitting outside his house. Iris nearly shot at him. Seriously, I can't make a joke in this game without someone thinking it's a clue, ie-Dickie shooting Pavarti before she can reveal the final rat. Seriously, you cling to that but the clues are just red herrings? I can barely mention someone's name in an introduction and everyone thinks it means something. You believe Dickie is the hitman, Iris says to trust the hitman but he shoots Pavarti before she could end the game for everyone-like that would happen-and you think it means he's a rat. Was she about to tell him that he was the final rat???? I tried to warn everyone that the last rat had become a killer. I can't believe nobody counted the guns in the closeup of the gun box I posted. What kind of game players are you? And nobody looked any deeper into the attacks on Johnny and Quarrioni! * the picture of the girl and her grandmother was originally part of Ian's motivation for flipping sides. I kept Ivan in the pocket in case he was killed. I didn't want to kill Ivan off so I could use him in Baritones 3. So in the case that Shadows lost-which I thought likely considering he was so outnumbered-I would have left him as Ian. I think Steve and the crossdressing construction man would've made it in if I'd have had more time to put the conclusion together. I am very pressed for time right now, as it is. However, I think they should feature in the third installment. The name thing was not intentional. Although, once you were the last remaining rat, someone should have at least thought of it, especially after finding the chef's hat. I name people after names that are similar to their usernames and men's names that start with I aren't too common. I suppose I'll have to be more creative next time, although I have a feeling you won't make it far in these games anymore That's disgusting that you guys figured it out and these guys couldn't. I mean you two are morons. just kidding. The ear bleeding was a bullet graze and it gave Ian a fighting chance since I thought so many clues would point to him after the botched job. However, everything that happened was just a "red herring." Shadows clearly didn't need the help. That was Trexxen. He figured out you had a night action and took you out. I started out by letting everyone involved in night actions interact in what I told them. So if a character blocked another character I wrote a scenario about those characters interacting. I spent a lot of the game feeding important information to only one or two players to see how it would manifest through the rest in the thread and by PM. The wives could've told everyone that the rats didn't know who the other rats were. I said not to say anything, but there wouldn't have been any penalty if you had. Trexxen was allowed to convert two. He chose Dragonator for the first, but Draggy couldn't be converted. Instead it set a lot of suspicious clues towards Dragonator, which ended up getting him killed... Don't feel bad. You played so well. Shadows is very convincing. Check out Mystery Castle. The same thing almost happened. Luckily we still had an investigator. Until he was investigated, nobody was listening to me... although I remember thinking a few times early on, that Shadows and Zepher would be the last people I voted off. Yes, Shadows has a few tells when he's evil. One (I won't tell the others ) is when he starts vehemently accusing people who have previously not been suspected at all. I really thought you would come through! Aw, it killed me. I really wanted you to win. What stopped you from publicly accusing Ian? I did roll my eyes at you when you sent me your final night action. Thanks for sticking to your instincts instead of following my clues. That "lying low" of you and Trexxen was one of my favorite moments of the game. You two were hilarious acting like you wouldn't just go kill each other the minute the day ended. See above for a detailed explanation of how the outcome of that fight was decided. I explained your land mine above and gave you mad props for surviving the lovers thing. Alicia and Dickie were lovers and had to vote the same. I stopped because I was sick of having to coordinate it by PM. Sir Dillon wasn't voting fast enough for Alice and I thought "this is too complicated. I should simplify for my sake." I did do it at an opportune time: White Fang was a Busted Heroin Dealer and the rats had control of his vote. That was a pain since I had to just give another vote to whoever the rats had a majority vote for. They didn't know who the other rats were so couldn't decide who to tell White Fang to vote for. That was so convoluted, I couldn't wait for it to end. They lost interest in White Fang when Ian was converted and I let Wille vote for himself. Since I was doing that, I broke up the lovers' voting as well. Way to catch the overalls thing. Man, sometimes people pay attention to every little minute thing and sometimes they just start blowing through the thread. I understand it's easy for these games to get out of hand and you start paying less and less attention the longer they go... that's when people start to miss subtle clues. Especially since more than one day had to be compared. It takes work to investigate such a clue and we are all busy people... I gave you mad props and explained the outcome of your battle with Quarryman above. You did awesome in this game. I do want to do a third installment. I was hoping the goons would win so the playing field would be even. But I think I have a concept for Baritones 3 that will be unlike any mafia game played before on EB. Basically, it will rely on conversions and not voting. Two factions of mafia or good guys and bad guys and a bunch of citizens with no affiliation. The winner either converts everyone or wipes out the entire side. Lots of room for crazy land mines and extra roles in that version. Now that Ivan has killed so many people and since he's Russian, maybe we can have Russian vs. Italian mob in 3... we'll see how it fleshes out. It won't be for quite a while. I'm sure I'll post more as it comes up. Again, great game everybody!

Very well done, rupi. I think this is a great MOD, and almost a stand-alone MOC. I really like the rusted pattern.

Who's next? Tanotrooper or TinyPies? Who's ready?

I think that's brilliant and well thought out. Thanks for the help. That will definitely be part of what we decide on for this project.

Great adjustments! Really, way to take everyone's criticism well and go with it. I would like to see some more texture and use those columns in the facade instead of the roof. Courthouses usually look a little more colonial, so maybe the columns could support a gabled roof above the entrance. The whole structure should have a gabled roof, IMO. Basically, follow Eilif's advice. He's given some great places to start and some really good projects for you to tackle to challenge your building skills...and the limits of your current collection.

:laugh: :laugh: I knew it was a stupid American thing to ask. But, I wanted to be sure. I even thought, due to the different spelling, that it was in fact a guy's name. A town called Hinckley? There's also a would-be-presidential-assassin named Hinckley. which my screename is based on. I played him in a musical in college. Yes, a musical about assassins called Assassins. It was my first big role and I used it as my first e-mail address and now I use it for everything. Can't wait to see everyone's creations! I'll be "taking a break" also for a week. When I return I hope to start adding more creations to this as well. Since I'll be going to a convention this Summer, I need to rebuild my town anyway so that the streets separate easily from the buildings. Right now I just add on and it's basically one enormous baseplate with no easy to part seems. As far as our fearless leader goes, I don't wish to discuss why he's "taking a break." He may rejoin us, he may not. That is a private matter. However, WhiteFang and I did realize that we were doing a lot of work to reform his original ideas and we will be taking over. It's something we had discussed introducing to our forum but in more of a Classic Town version. Only smiley heads, only four-wide cars , open-backed buildings, etc. So, I will say that I think Brickaholic was a little too young to head the whole thing up (or a little too fond of the brickahol ) and WhiteFang, Shadows, Brickster and I are discussing a good standard to start the whole thing over with. I am particularly interested in adding some good zoning guidelines for industrial creations after creating a brewery and auto mechanic on tall baseplates and really wanting to build some more industrial MOCs!

Freakin' cool Otter family! Can't wait to see what you come up with.

This is really smart. I like your creations because they are simple, yet detailed not only in their own construction but add a great amount of detail when included in a LEGO layout. I have a suggestion for you on this one: in creating that arrow, I think you should remove the one 1 x 1 round plate that forms the apex of the cross. The one that touches every part of it. I think that will make it look more like an arrow and less like a cross... Great work! That's because he lives in Hollywood's Chicago.

I'm the total opposite of you, Peppermint. Em-Oh-See and Ayfole.

I thought about that when I posted it. I felt somewhat like a 12 year-old and everything. When do I end sentences like that? So, you're very funny and you crack me up. Is Laurie a girl's name or a guy's name? You are Laurie, but a SeaKing and a tie wearing monkey who drives a limousine wearing a naval cap. I only ask because if you are a lady, we have a Ladies group that some of our AFFOLs like to join.

I don't think anyone needs permission to add to this. We can just build stuff and post it here, adding to the Town we create. WhiteFang and I, and the rest of the staff are working on refining the guidelines for this idea. Hold tight and we will probably start a new topic with a new name and guidelines and everything.

I'm closing this so everyone can discuss the conclusion in the conclusion thread only...

True to his word, Quarrioni targeted Alicia since Dickie turned out to be loyal. Alicia wasn't so easy to take out. "You idiot!" She screamed as she turned, grabbing his gun and landing a swift kick to the groin, "I told you I'm not a rat! I saved Johnny Blue's life and kept all of the incriminating evidence out of the feds' hands." "What kind of idiot are you?" She continued as she slammed his hand onto the desk, wrestling his gun away. Click! "Aw nuts," She said, "Just my luck. Jammed." "I've heard just about enough out of you." Quarrioni said as he jacked Alicia in the face. "Didn't your mother teach you never to hit a lady?" Alicia asked as she gently butted Quarrioni in the head with the rifle... ...then jacked him in the balls with it too, just for good measure, before running out into the warehouse. "Aw nuts." Alicia said as she found herself cornered, "It's like I'm always screaming at those dumb women in horror movies-Go out the front door, not up the stairs." But it was too late. Quarrioni had caught up with her and he was mighty dangerous with a rope. "I can't help but think," Alicia thought, "that voting for the guy whose only duty was to protect me might not have been such a good idea..." Quarrioni threw Alicia over the balcony and heard the satisfying snap of her neck. "This looks more like a brewery than a warehouse," he thought. "Oh geez. You killed Alicia?" Asked Johnny Blue, "I guess I should've been more clear about how she saved my life. Oh well, I'll go check her house to see if she was a rat or not." Ian followed Johnny Blue holding the gun he had snuck out of the lockbox... "Gotcha!" Cried Quarrioni, "Finally, we found the last rat and it only took seeing him try to kill Johnny Blue that convinced me he was a rat!" "I still don't believe it." Johnny Blue said. With moves like a Russian wrestler, Ian escaped the hold Quarrioni had him in and jacked him in the face... ...which sent him sailing under the lift. "This is going to be so cool!" Ian said as he ran to the lift controls. Before Quarrioni could regain his bearings, the lift was on top of him. And soon it was all over for Quarrioni. "Sorry pal." Ian said to the corpse of Quarrioni. "My night action, recently acquired by the way, was to kill Johnny Blue, but since you already killed Alicia, it would have only been the two of us left, therefore I win and you die." But Johnny Blue wouldn't go so easily. He introduced Ian to the business end of a handtruck and they both when tumbling back into the breakroom. "Time to say goodnight, Ian." Johnny Blue said as he brought the hand truck down... ...onto a dark blue (or was it black?) hard hat. The hand truck bounced lamely off of it and the hardhat went rolling away from Ian. "I am a happy man for the wearing of the hardness hat." Ivan said. "Wait, you're Ivan?" Johnny Blue asked, "How did you lose the accent and broken English? Was the hat some sort of Babelfish?" "Ha! Enough of the questioning." Ivan laughed, "Perhaps you should have been asking the questioning of you and yourself before this." "Like why does one find poop on the sidewalk and then a product called FiberCon in the house of mine and not think that I was making the poop. You were the playing so well of this game, but then what was the happening to you?" "Nobody has any feds doing the sitting outside of the house except me and you explain it away and don't think I could be the rat who does the remaining? I am appreciating of the trust in me, you have no doubt, OK? But, boy oh boy, that was a silly thing for you to think." "But you played most of game very well," Ivan admitted, "And so I think you are deserving of a crazy type death." "Ha! Drowning in toilet is crazy for you for playing so well." "Now you are the Johnny Blue for the reality!" "What happened here?" Iris asked, "What's all the commotion." "I am not the hearing of any commotion here." Ivan said, "Perhaps you hearing of the phantom sounds and need the checking of you hears?" "It's you!" Iris said as she pointed her gun at Ivan, "I should've known..." "Yes," Ivan admitted, "I am the one who is agreeing with that. Most everyone should have known, but in the end, the case is maybe being something else, no?" Kapow! "That's what you get for killing my wife, you bitch!" Agent Sky said. "Hello there Agent Sky," Ivan said, "You are arriving right on the correct timing." "Sorry we couldn't get here sooner, we weren't sure where everyone ran off to after that last job." "Nice work, Agent Sky," said Agent Nelson, "Want to have sex?" "Do I ?" Said Agent Sky. "Amazing that you are the last one left, considering you were the one who was converted on Night 4." Agent Black said to Ian. "I am knowing that!" Ian said, "Although that doesn't gel with my backstory the whole game, it is the convenient now that I am the last sole surviving. Good thing I am the one who everyone is doing the trusting of. Ha! And then I killed them all...I mean, a man who is called Quarrioni killed all of theses peoples. I have killed none of them. It was that dead man who is crushed under lift. Then Iris kill him, not me. I killed nobody. " The Winner and 1 remaining informant/survivor Ian/Ivan played by ImperialShadows Dead Rats Boyd played by Bob the construction man-Dead. Stabbed to death on Night 1 Rat Wynona played by wouwie13-Dead. Shot to death on Night 3 Rat Perry Blockioli played by Cpt. Pegleg Blockbeard-Dead. Shot to death on Night 4 Rat Trexxisanti played by Trexxen-Dead. Hung on Night 6 Rat Pavarti played by ptdapen-Dead. Condemned on Day 8 Rat Loyal, yet deceased Pedro played by Pencoin-Dead. Killed by Adalaide on Day 1 Tony played by Atoll Dweller-Dead. Shot to death on Night 1 Zabrina played by Zepher-Dead. Throat slit on Night 3 Stanton played by stash2sixx-Dead. Condemned on Day 4 Richie played by ricecracker-Dead. Condemned on Day 5 LeAnn played by lego12-Dead. Shot to death on Night 5 Inertiatieri played by Inertia-Dead. Throat slit on Night 5 Dragonatieri played by Dragonator-Dead. Condemned on Day 7 Willie Fangolie played by WhiteFang-Dead. Shot to death on Night 7 Adalaide played by Adam-Dead. Accidental death on Night 8 Piav Blockioli played by TinyPiesRUs-Dead. Condemned on Day 9 Dickie played by Sir Dillon-Dead. Condemned on Day 10 Alicia played by Alice-Dead. Hung by Quarrioni on Night 10 Johnny Blue played by Jlblue-Dead. Swirlied to death by Ian on Night 10 Quarrioni played by Quarryman-Dead. Final kill on Night 10... You'll get more detailed thoughts and explanations from me later. Until then, discuss...