Hinckley

Evolves or revolves?

That's what's been bothering you? That's why we didn't convert you. Prejudiced megablocks.

It's true. He got the last word () and then read it up until Christmas Eve and then didn't stop by again until today when we won...

I do the same, but don't forget to take your own advice: it's only a game. People are only commenting on how the game could improve, not you as a person. And even people with the most complaints are still saying what fun they had and how they liked the game. That's really good feedback. You know what you're doing. We could all use some work and as a community, we totally help each other find those ways to grow. You should be really happy with your game. This. Yes. Exactly. We took advantage of people who were just waiting to hear from me and not looking at some of the weird things I was saying. I had the capital of helping to lynch four Scum which is usually foolproof, but not with the Cult. And yes, I thought those players did an excellent job of analyzing too. That's why we converted them. Well, thank you very much for that. However, your post welcoming me to the Cult (post-humously) told me my Jesus act would've made the Town lose anyway. I think we can all be happy that the Scum are dead and we're all living on a tropical island with turtles, hedgehogs and horses. Super big Congratulations on that. How did you know? Such a great move.

You are way too generous with these opportunities. ¡2013 Nobel Prize Winner for Language Physics! - because I know the difference between the Northern and Southern hemisphere and I'm good at explaining things. Given by Rick? I haven't checked. Pandora, probably! She has the power now! Everyone look out!

It's probably not a good idea for the reasons that def stated.

I had been investigated twice. That's as good as you're going to get in a Mafia game. Sometimes you have to take what you've been given and run. It is hard to not trust someone with two investigation results, even if the hider did supposedly hide behind that person twice to prove they weren't the Godfather. The Cult really does add a new dynamic. They knew for a fact that I was against the Scum but couldn't know we had amassed a team of Cult members to back me up. Draggy knew what was going on but we converted him before he could give us up, so we had a huge group of strong players and a trusted mouthpiece. Draggy might have turned us all over if he wasn't weighing his options and assuming we would convert him eventually anyway. I could see how the mechanics might seem a bit unbalanced, but with us in those roles and getting control of the Cult, we were in a good position to win. It is telling that it was so close on the last day. We even had to tell Cecilie before the conversion went through in order to get her to block PsyKater. That was a nail biter for us, for sure. There's always room to learn. And while I think you've done a great job and I certainly appreciate a host who defends their decisions, don't forget to take the feedback to heart next time you host. Take a look back at The Forest. I was a mess of a host. And according to some, I still can't do it right. And, def, I wasn't the first to let a serial killer win with one side or the other, and I'd never do it again. Which time? I felt like I said that about six times.

Yes, that was a problem for the Town. They got all the investigation results through me after that. We converted the day investigator so we faked all his results through Amy who could investigate if he wasn't converting, so he never did the converting. The investigation result I got from the glass I then lied about anyway.

Yes. DarkDragon told you that they were Groucho Marx glasses. She seems to think that should explain it to you. Did that have something to do with your role? You were in disguise? You appeared Town in investigations, but it was a disguise? Like there's a Zepher-tell. The guy who proudly chooses a new strategy for every game! And you weren't fighting, you were defending. That's Scummy.

You were doing fine for a Townie. It's not a common case to have a Cult, so you'll do just fine as Town in your next game. You did a lot of things really well, including your last day's defense. There was nothing Scummy about it, really. You just lacked the experience to sense a conspiracy from the Town block. You'll see it next time for sure.

That's the beauty of being bulletproof. If it leaks to the Scum, they know not to try and kill you, which they tried anyway. Then if you're telling everyone it's more than one-shot and they test that and they fail, they're never going to risk wasting their night kill on you again. That's one thing I knew for sure, the Scum couldn't risk wasting a night kill after only have 2 successful night kills in a 7 day game. And I kind of had to announce it since Shadows did too and I already said I had no lunch. But being immune to a kill and having my personality? That's just an invitation to taunt and weed out the Scum...and when you do that you become an excellent conversion target for a Cult. I don't think the Scum would've converted me because I would've had to have make a 180 degree turnaround... When you defend two people arguing on day one and the defense is metagaming, it's pretty Scummy. That's when I was first onto you, as I told you. Though it wasn't until I got your Scum reading from Shadows that I went on full-scale attack. What I think happened in this game is DarkDragon gave the Town many ways to confirm the Town against the Cult and Scum and the Cult got a hold of all of those tools.

It's hard to kill a Cult member when you keep getting blocked.

Say what??? That's pretty sloppy. Sorry to say...

Clever. That added an extra layer of protection for Darth Potato pants. So what happened on Night Two? Why was there no kill?

I'm glad you didn't either. Otherwise, we may have been caught. You were actually third on the conversion list. We tried to convert JimB and failed and then you would've been next but we needed Cecilie because her heart was in it and she was about to try and get Amy lynched. But, you told me twice that you weren't paying attention and just leaving the discovering up to me, so I was like "Score! He'll follow along until we try a really crazy gambit." Yes, you did say they were Scummy and honestly, I thought they were too. I even yelled at them for just posting the stupid apple joke every day. I am a control freak... Admitting it is the first step to ... embracing it.

Def's role PM says that there's a doctor in the Town that he will replace. Is it Cecilie or Darth Potato? That was one of the reasons I never suspected Darth Potato (officially) because we had the nurse confirmed. So naturally there would be a doctor. I would imagine that would actually replace Cecilie, but his role PM says there was a doctor. Is that referring to the Scum doctor. If so, would he have replaced Darth Potato?

What were Dragonator's meat bits?

Well there are other hosts out there. And once you said I could be a hedgehog, I wanted the chance to cause some hedgehog trouble...and oink at people...and get notes from Lady Dolores who is attracted to rodents... And it was a blast! You were close to figuring out the problem. I was getting nervous. I thought you would see right through our attempt to lynch Dave. Did you not believe that Amy was the hider and therefore impossible to kill? Or did you not believe our lie? Why didn't you guys come out against the Cult? Just trying to fly under the radar? Once we knew PsyKater was Scum and tried to target me, we did anything we could to keep him blocked. Fortunately, JimB gave a block invention to Draggy, which was luck. I tried not to direct any of the Town power roles too specifically, but it worked out in that they targeted people I trusted or suggested either way. The chain being given to Draggy was an added bonus. Although, I had to lie to Cecilie, again , about why I told her BoyWonder had been blocked but it was actually PsyKater. That was weird, confirming people with our plethora of investigation abilities, yet trying to get people to not trust people we had already told had been cleared as Town. Explain the traitor deal to me. What was your setup? What was your win condition? Who did JackJonespaw attack?

Like everything, there's a balance there. I've answered PMs I should've ignored but also made changes that were pointed out to me during games from players who make good points. If it messes with the balance or is benefitting someone over others, then things shouldn't be changed at all. It's good to provide some flexibility or discussion, especially when you are a new host. At the same time, when people are being dicks, you should just ignore them and that's hard to learn because you want to tell the person they're being a dick. But sometimes, through the dickishness, they're actually making a fair point. I know the conviction rule was frustrating for you and you got a lot of feedback about it, but I think you made the right decision as frustrating as it was to get the advice after the fact. I think, as a community, the moderators involved in games should read the rules of the new games more carefully to ensure these things are discussed before the game starts. This sort of direction is lacking, but it's also a good reason why you should intern with an experienced host as badboy has done twice or co-host a game with an experienced host to start out. Any issues had in this game, though, were minor anyway, so who cares? Great job and hopefully your advice will lead to a better process for new hosts.

Sister was secondary to all your other nonsense, so don't even think about it. Besides you quoted us a PM you sent Dave which did say "Sister" which makes sense because you were both female. Besides, it was Dave who messed up and thought he read brother when it did say sibling, so who cares? Didn't Cecilie block PsyKater anyway? I see the answer now.

We can never rely on should's and shouldn'ts in these games. He was the founder, but the Cult got one backup. Trust me, I thought we were taking out the only possibility to recruit and I could safely play Town for the rest of the game, but that wasn't the case. Does a 1 on that scale mean that you're being a good team player? Either way, I don't think you play well for the team. Were you even playing? Not to be rude, but I wasn't aware of you doing anything. What was the Scum's perspective on the Cult? When did you know it was real? Did you janitor Shadows?

First thing's first: DarkDragon, awesome game. Thanks for hosting and providing weeks of entertainment for us. I've never had to work so hard to find all the Scum and then hide the "last" Scum we found. Secondly: Darth Potato, awesome job! We were thinking PsyKater was the last Scum because with the Cult, we thought there would only be 5 Scum with the number of players we had. (Never assume) Had we known, we certainly would've lynched PsyKater two days ago when everyone else wanted to. But, we discussed who could be the other Scum team member if there was one and you never crossed my mind. Danny and Draggy thought so, but they were both distracted. We knew there was a problem with PsyKater knowing you targeted Draggy, but we weren't definite. I thought for a fleeting moment that you were a Scum protector (I may have even said it along with every other word in the English language in the Cult PM. Sixth post: Sorry guys, you really had to deal with Spaz Hinck. Anyway, Darth Potato, it's impressive how well you did but now you will be metagamed to death in every game. I'm already going to vote for you for the first lynch in the next game. Thirdly: Goodbye to the Town leaders among us! You shall never be trusted again. We killed it. That will add an interesting dynamic to EB Mafia. Again, DarkDragon, thanks to a good game, it will shake up how we view this game and how we win from now on. Of course you knew it. What are you talking about? Everything I said made perfect sense. It was fun playing with you. You had to know I was going to do everything I could to confirm you. You were the framer, right? You worked so hard to catch the Scum I'm glad we got you on board. We wanted everybody, especially JimB and def, but we just didn't have the time and we were smoking poppies. By the time Day Seven popped up, everyone was working so hard to bring us info, I just wanted everyone to win. It wasn't easy lying as much as I did, but clearly I got used to it. Sorry. Don't hate me. Blame Shadows, Amy and Draggy. I was really surprised nobody suspected the hider more (Def and Cecilie were really starting to question that story). But going into Day Three, I was thinking "If there was a Cult, the Hider would have to have been the real leader (That was slightly off, but close). Once it was revealed that Shadows was the founder of some neutral group, I would've gone right back to the people involved in the story to figure out why the were so complacent with the lies. Doesn't help anyone though that it was so engrained in people's minds (by jerks like me) that the founder's death (which didn't happen) would lead to all the Cult members committing suicide. By the way, that's why the Fabuland postcard was on Shadows's bed. I mean Shadell, DarkDragon! Don't give me a penalty vote. Most strict hosting ever! Fake Night results as basis for a lynch are so nerve-wracking! However, I was looking forward to our argument, Danny. I was going to say you made me so mad my fur spontaneously combusted. I thought this at one point: Are these the lies people always fall for in the games I host? Because I can see right through this megablocks. That's even why I wanted you dead so bad because I could just feel that if there was a Cult, I would be the one converted. My Night Action results were so aggravating. I found Scuba was lying but I was a stupid Cultist all at the same time. Then you stuck me with the kiwis. Thanks a lot! I was actually really disappointed to be converted at first, but that's happened to me before...by you...actually JimB...but I saw what could be done right away and moved forward with lying right away. Well, almost right away. We killed two more Scum while we were at it, which made everyone trust all three of us. Then we brought Danny in, who has the best energy for this sort of thing. He was annoyed with trusting me at first and I said "Hey! I've only been Cult for a day and we killed two Scummies yesterday!!" What the hell? This game was nerve-wracking. I yelled at everyone when our conversion didn't work. I was frustrated. Hopefully, I wasn't too much of a dick. It was wacky, but kind of awesome at the same time. It was like having two lynches a day! Thanks for the congrats. Our ploys did get kind of ridiculous, but you should see what we had planned to explain the mis-lynch of Sara. You will probably all say that you would've seen right through it but it felt like we were on our way to pulling it off. Def, we were on the same side for the most part and I loved working with you. Sorry about all the lies there at the end. You sure didn't like that hider and I really had no choice but to agree he was the most likely Cult-O. Tip one: Never blame the difference between German and English for the lack of understanding of a game in a conversation with two other people who speak German fluently. Even if you give us evidence that Google translate told you sister. Scuba must've been furious with you. But I bet he thought I'd target you before him. Mwahahhahaha! Anyway, I agree that your Scum game is not as polished as your Town game. I had just seen you play a genius Town game in one day of Police Infiltration and then you turned into this "What's going on? I'm so confused!" and "I'll work on some analysis and get back, but really just disappear and hope to fly under the radar" and "Scuba told me, but Scuba denies it, but that's OK, I don't care if he denies it, it said 'sister'" wacky flailing weird entity. Sorry if that's harsh. I knew you were smarter than what you were playing at. At first we thought our win condition was to kill the Scum, then outnumber the Town but DarkDragon caught wind of that and clarified that we had to outnumber the Town before killing off the Scum. In the end, we outnumbered you all anyway. But, even after I was converted on Night Three, we delivered two Scum corpses on Day Four! Then we were like "Ooops! " That night (Night Four into Day Five) I got the Scum result on PsyKater and we felt comfort in at least knowing who the last Scum was...I was really worried, PsyKater, that you were the last Scum we were going to have to keep everyone from figuring out. I thought it was pretty clear you were Scum and the only thing that I could think of to stop people from lynching you was the fake Town investigation result. Then I fed you the tracker inheritance story because badboy even saw you targeting me that night and I had already announced that my vest was gone! Gone? I mean...there was one less shot for my bulletproof-ness. I really thought you had to know, at that point, that I was onto you and something else was up with me. Here's the PM for everybody else: I wish I could've had control of your kill. That was somewhat of a nightmare. Piece that together with visiting family for the holidays and it's not what I wanted to do. Anyway, thanks for making the game a very interesting challenge for me. I hope you got a lot of experience from it and your Scum game more resembles your Town game next time. You had little chance of being heard over me in that PM thread... Sorry. Everyone's always fishy after the fact. I had to tell Cecilie we were converting her so she would block PsyKater and I was dying with nervous energy thinking she would turn us over to the Town. I knew who everyone (except Darth Potato) was at that point and I was still terrified that the Town had some way to win it and that Cecilie would turn us all over. Anyway, it would've been really hard to pull off your lynch today (that was our plan) not only because the story was convoluted, but because you worked so hard with us to reveal PsyKater's Scumminess and you're just a nice guy. It would've been hard to lynch you and accuse you of targeting Sara (We were going to say that Danny's watch result said he saw Rowlf block you from targeting Sara-because some of DarkDragon's results had extra info like that-and then lynch you to drop the Town numbers one and kill a Scum at the same time.) It would've been hard to see you hurt, confused, frustrated, etc. DarkDragon, why did Dave survive if PsyKater died? Is it because he redeemed himself by being her loudest accuser? Anyway, good game. The Cult is a hard thing to fight at the same time as a Scum team because you have to think three ways. You did the Scum hunt very well.

I'm sure that's exactly what we'll have to do to win.

Me please.

Ow, my brain! Use smaller pillows! I'm just a tiny hedgehog.