Hinckley

As pointed out, it's odd that you don't feel "too suspicious" of him. Isn't there enough activity surrounding other people for you to add some insight? Let alone answer to what Nash has said about you. I'm finding my original reason for voting parroted, but it's the two quotes above. Again, to be clear, I'm not saying he's defending Scum, I'm saying it's odd to defend anybody. I've fallen into and seen this Scum mindset before. Be helpful by defending people because you can see, clearly–as Scum–that the accusation is false, so you defend to appear helpful. Ignore the defense about the edited post. I get more of a ping for him defending Bruce. The two posts are very close to each other, so I felt this was the Scum-Defense-Mode I'm referring to. It pinged me that he is countering suspicions this early in the game. While he never takes his vote off of Chester, he suggests changing it to Alastair, just to get a lynch, even though he doesn't find him suspicious. I found this from Chester while I was searching: It is strange that you would be worried that people would perceive an arranged Maple attack. Wouldn't the person being voted for have to be an Oak for it to be perceived that way? Sounds like you possibly knew Alastair's affiliation. Otherwise, it's a very paranoid concern. I did want to repost this idea of mine from Day One. Of course, a lot of this remains to speculation since we don't know Alastair's affiliation. This has not been the experience so far... It's against the rules, yes, ignore the PM. And we should not be breaking rules, that's simple sportsmanship. Living players can't PM the stumps, am I right? Of course it would be useful to know. How do you propose we "pursue" it? What way is there for us to find out?

Damn, I forgot about that. I'll have to catch it on OnDemand. No, we can't PM to you. That's the entire point of the codes. And personally, the way Lauren handled the information from the first part of this day, I don't trust that sensitive information belongs even with confirmed Stumps. What happened today with the codes was a mess and potentially disastrous for the Town. No. We cannot PM the stumps.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were the only one who could ask for information. You asked questions, I asked you to clarify your suspicion of me. So, just to be clear, you trusted me to tell me something about your role, then believed me when I said Bruce has been verified and ran and claimed your role to him. Now that I've used the same method to verify me and announced that, you don't trust either one of us. I don't follow what you think the ruse is on our part and while I got a Town read on you Day One, your behavior today is suspicious. And what do you call this from Day One? Please point out where I've ever asked anyone to follow me. I think being investigated to be sure that even Bruce and the investigator weren't following me blindy shows that I expect that of nobody.

No. Who, Bruce? There's a third player involved, to be clear. I know it's confusing. But I'm bringing you the results we have in the most responsible way for not revealing too much about the Town's capabilities to the Scum. And why was I one of the people you told?

I'd be more than happy to talk to you about Mafia theory when the game is over. Why would you have to lie to defend yourself?? I agree with that statement, but clarifying that for you will give away too much. I think it should be obvious that we don't want to reveal certain things so as not to reveal things to the Scum. But, I understand how this stuff can seem strange, so keep poking people. If you are so suspicious of Bruce and me, why did you so quickly believe when I verified him and ran to him to claim your role? I've wanted this since Day One. vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken) I will have more time later to clarify why. This is accurate. I was given a basic category. It was rather abrupt. What provoked you to bring me that information at that time?

I suppose it didn't matter which one of announced that Bruce was verified since he can speak for himself, but there is a reason we chose me as the mouthpiece and I don't want it revealed publicly.

Searching the day threads and posting my suspicions. I can't sit around being a tree all day. I have other things that need to be attended to. By the way, I officially apologize for calling you a fruitcake. The whole asterisks debacle is because on the writeboards, which Scum use to communicate, phrases are bolded by being placed between asterisks. This has been a false Scum-tell in other games but I did think your defense of it was actually a lie. The PMs you sent to Bruce requesting info about the investigator made it seem like you were using your last hours to fish info for the Scum. And I did think you were really defensive with everyone that accused you. It was all highly suspicious in my view.

Bruce and I have both been investigated and found to be Oaks. Not "not Maple", "Oak". Bruce contacted me, as we all know, early on Day One. On Day Two, he asked me to be the mouthpiece for what we were finding behind the scenes. So, naturally, I needed to be verified and that happened last night. In addition to Larry, I haven't much liked Bobby's contributions either. As Clem pointed out yesterday, we've gotten a lot of filler, oddly-wishy-washy posts like this: This was on the discussion of the "garden variety" post. I feel like he avoided answering me on this point: Berty even found it odd that he was being defended: 4th to vote for Alastair and 8th to vote for Catarina. This is a very light ping, but it seems like his justification for voting is more that Alastair was metagaming not that he thinks he is Scum. Also a light ping. It feels like he over-explains his change of heart on Catarina. This could very well be exactly his thought process, but his voting order and over-justification could add to the suspicious natur of his posts. I'll re-iterate what I feel about Larry in a bit but I'm running out of time.

But it's not 9 out of 25. Five or six of those people are Scum and they already know who they are and what their roles are. The whole point of the codes is to keep the info out of the hands of the Scum. Please don't give them any more. Communicate back to a trusted player through the codes. That's the whole point of the codes...

Translation, please?

Oops, I didn't state. I stated his other post was very pingy. I've not liked Larry from the beginning. His contributions so far today ping me as well:

It did ping me as well, as I stated. That is not at all what happened. William can confirm for me that he claimed to me first. I asked for clarification, he said he didn't want to clarify and I didn't ask anything further. When I announced Bruce was verified, William claimed his role to him and Bruce was the one who told me. I didn't post these this morning because I was posting from an iPad before going to sleep. Impatient Mafia players are so annoying. Here are my codes: Jack: 3613 Stickfig: 1797 With the last night's results, I have been verified. This, yes. Don't Dave the game, Lauren. The whole point is for the stumps to sort out claims and counterclaims and for the living trees to not know who is claiming what. Think about the implications...just think about what this knowledge means. It is when you say they are all one thing.

I am saying I didn't start that lynch. I made a case for Sammy, who I'm still suspicious of. I voted third for Catrina. Didn't I just post the voting order (Bruce unvoted)? How am I equating the two lynches, one of which we don't know the outcome of because of a supposed janitor? Are you reading the posts clearly? I'm sorry you find my "bickering" pointless. Did your six votes help us clarify anything? I pointed out what I found suspicious and tried to poke those people for others to gauge the reactions. If you have a way to start catching the Scum, let's hear it.

I have a list of codes with each stump and I know Bruce's role. Except Catarina... Sorry.

If need be, I can communicate with the stumps regarding you. You and Adelaide really deserve credit for getting everyone to work together. How very Oaky of you both. How drippingly, conspicuously Oaky of you. Why, a Maple would never do anything so valiant as suggesting such a system of information gathering. Never. Please, tell me more about what I'm doing. How do you get that out of what I posted? I voted Catarina because I thought she was Scum. Larry's post is what I see as BS.

Alastair Pear - 15 (Stickfig, Tamamono, Scaevola, Lord Duvors, jamesn, Lego Spy, PirateDave84, Zepher, Calanon, Bob, Hinckley, adventurer1, jluck, TinyPiesRUs, Mencot) Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) - 16 (jamesn, Hinckley, JackJonespaw, jluck, Scaevola, Lego Spy, Bob, Lord Duvors, Fugazi, Goliath, Dragonfire, TheLazyChicken, badboytje88, fhomess, mostlytechnic, Tamamono) You left out Clem. Why?

I am sure that many groupings of eight people would have one Scum in them. So, what do you think joining Alasdair's bandwagon means since we still don't know his affiliation? Is there any other insight you have into my or the seven other listed player's behavior that makes you think one of us is Scum? This is one of the fluffiest statements I've seen.

That is confounding. Even if I trust,moor example, you and Bruce. I would keep your codes separate, that's the point of the codes Pardon my iPad English.

Ok. Thanks. I still don't understand what you're saying about the codes they gave. They revealed the codes they sent to one player also to another player?

Oh God, I just realized this means Catarina really does like the looks of asterisks in low light. what the hell? I thought you said this person gave the same codes to more than one person. I'm pretty confident nobody should be talking to someone with the ability to verify. Unless someone in my circle is also talking to you, which would be really odd for them not to have mentioned to me or to Bruce. This person saying they have a verified ally is either not thinking this trust through or is worthy of great suspicion. Anything else pinging you about this person?

What is a collaborative stump? Hey Sammy, can you clarify what you said to me in private about groups of people sharing codes with "trusted groups of allies". That sounds odd to me. Bruce and I have had some claims and we haven't mixed any of them. Having a trusted group of allies sounds really strange.

As I said, another alternative is their janitor could've been blocked. There were only three posts. You can't complain that there were too many posts to read this time.

At least we know the alignment of those who we lost. Makes me wonder again why they would janitor Alasdair on Night One if they had limited shots. Maybe their janitor was blocked?

Update: He's posting something. Too bad I'm heading out for the evening.

Walter Stalking Update: It's T-1:30 until the 48 hour mark. Walter has been online twice recently checking his Personal Messenger. More Mafia is nigh!