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I admit it's probably the fact that I just post so freaking much. Here is the original post:

You need to go back and read what I said. Bruce and I were both cleared Night One. We announced Bruce first because my investigator kept repeating "Good thing you're an Oak." It pinged me and we thought if one of them was Scum it was that one. I announced Bruce since he was under scrutiny and didn't want him to have to announce it in a vacuum, which wouldn't help quell the suspicions. We announced me the second day to give an investigation result because we couldn't yet explain to everyone that we had to trick them into targeting each other. I mean, seriously, did you even read what I posted? I just answered all of your questions you've had for days and you didn't even bother to read it or you're being willfully ignorant.

I don't think William is either. I've just given you a lot of information to base trust or mistrust of me or Bruce off of and yet you only respond to the accusations against you. I've been highly suspicious of you since you first starting being suspicious of me because I thought you were onto the fact that I was lying about when I was investigated. It seemed like you knew I was lying but couldn't prove it. So I thought maybe you and Sammy (and later William) were Scum and I had been framed on Night Two. Your behavior has continued to ping me since.

I am. He/she was investigated by Clem. There's a possibility of Godfather or maybe he was tailored, but other NA results show us it's highly unlikely he is a Maple.

After our discussions and knowing the vig targeted Bobby, I'm assuming Barry was Scum. So, if that's true, these posts are interesting: He loves to defend Berty. He even makes an excuse for him not claiming in his first post in the guise of a wise Mafia lesson. Why is everyone so educated on Millers? I had no idea there was a specific protocol until Jack told me and Barry and Lassie seem to advocate the idea as well. Yes, it's a post on Mafiawiki, but wow, one year off and everyone gets all educated on weird roles. Have millers been common in recent games? They weren't very common in my day. Where's my cane? This pinged me at the time and all the subsequent times I read it. Bruce was suggesting claiming to the stumps in public. What had been discussed as unfair was everyone PMing claims to the stumps. This seems like remnants of a Scum "stump-gripe-fest". I had said I thought PMing claims to Lauren would break the game. Discussion around communicating with the stumps in public was gaining positive traction. Barry didn't notice. But Berty brought the information about Barry's weird claim to Bruce. So, that doesn't mean he's Scummy, does it? I found it odd that Berty didn't come to me first to tell me there was a second claim for bomb. Why go to Bruce when we had already discussed the bomb claim in private? I think it's possible the Scum needed a valid way to get this information to the Town block without seeming obvious. Perhaps, Berty's "concern" was a veiled attempt to warn the Town block that Barry blows up if targeted for a kill and that he has a sudden and new kill action in case he is tracked or caught by a watcher. I'm suddenly very interested in hearing Berty's version of all of this. When did Barry bring this info to you? Good thing you're here reading this right now. Weird, Berty left. Speaking further of Berty, Bruce told me that Berty came to him because Bruce is part of the Town block and Berty thought that Barry might be the Serial Killer. Something smells faintly like megablocks to me. According to William, Barry told him about his "role" because William had PMed him about our deal to lynch him with me as hammer. That's an organic reason to have a conversation. Berty, what brought up Barry's role in your conversation?

Twisting someone's words indicates desperation. I guess lazy makes sense too... For now, I'm back to this: vote: Nash Ash (Zepher) I'm surprised Hazel hasn't gotten more votes with all the suspicion that has been raised around her. Wasn't she in that debacle with Catarina and Alastair at the beginning?

I don't think that we'll have time to coordinate this with Clem and obviously, my name code cipher isn't foolproof and we're running out of time. I'm not sure what Clem has told the stumps. We had a unique situation with Night Action claims behind the scenes. We didn't want to reveal it but now we can since we have one of us on the stump side. So, regarding the complications with the investigator: There are two of them. Bruce and I were investigated on Night One by two different players and claimed to each other almost simultaneously. We tricked the investigators into targeting each other, telling them they were checking the bomb claim. Neither is lying, we know. One is dead, Clem, and the other was investigated by Clem. They independently confirmed their roles were worded the same way and the remaining investigator has done something no other Townie could do. We kept this secret for obvious reasons. Or if not obvious, because we didn't want the Scum to know if we did have two investigators and Bruce and I wanted to see what results they would give us. If one was Scum we wanted to string them along. Only when we were sure did we bring them together. Everyone make sure to thank Lauren for getting the other one killed. As far as having two, we know it's not standard and have been trying to think what it might be balancing. One thought was that it's balancing the stumps that are removed from the forest. It would give us a better chance to know an affiliation before it's lynched to verify theories of all non-Oak trees are removed from the forest. It could be a balance to some other type of role, a framer or tailor. We're also aware that two investigators sometimes means one is insane or naive. The remaining one got the correct result on Clem so he's not insane. We were planning on having them target the same player tonight, but now that plan has been thwarted. So, I asked the Town Block not to claim or to claim vanilla to the stumps. You've met the stumps, I was afraid that a couple of them would freak out. There was a lot of discussion about this and we never reached a conclusion, so I'm not sure what Clem has told the stumps. But I'm sure if this sounds off from anything he has told you, he will verify that it is true. This is the best example of word-twisting I have ever seen. He's presenting a hypothetical situation in which the vig claimed to the stumps. Why do you want Jack lynched so badly that you would deliberately twist his words? Well, good because I already went ahead with the second one. You understand the point of the first one? 589 N6425. Do you think the stumps would have a coronary? Is that it? And it would also 1783 the Scum 9918. Ah, yes. You've also blatantly twisted Jack's words. Bolding a hypothetical out of context is terribly misleading. unvote: Jack Pine (mostlytechnic) I don't like the people jumping on his wagon. Sorry to keep re-voting today. All I know is who not to lynch. If we end the day without a lynch that will be annoying but it will give us more time. It's interesting the bandwagons that didn't form with the first votes cast. By the way, I super love you for deciphering all of that crap. Clem, can you (not asking for names) tell me (mix it in with a list of vanillas) what other roles we have or what we may have lost? I'm curious because if we're lacking other roles that might balance out two investigators as well. Who hasn't claimed codes to the stumps yet? Can you guys tell us that?

This actually makes sense from a certain perspective. But the sense it would make is for us to focus our lynches and suspicion on those who claimed Vanilla. They don't need to be guided by the stumps since the codes were revealed publicly and Lauren Daved the vanillas. Focusing on that being the vig's responsibility is a little off, though. Killing at night is not our only tool (more of a Scum PerspectiveTM). Sorry I blew off your post before. You make valid points. I'm also not confident our votes are in the right place. I would feel somewhat comfortable moving back to Nash or going with Mute Maggie. My original suspicion on Day One was Maggie being persistent about liking syrup hurting trees. It was a faint ping but it reminded me of early days of EB when characters (like me in Roman Mafia or the toast guy in Noir) thought that we could accuse on things like character intent. Maggie seems noobish and hasn't done anything to instill any confidence since that first ping. Chester, are you also mute?

I voted for him. Yes, I did just skim your post earlier. This post about misleading did ping me as well. I read it several times concluded he must've meant misleading the Scum? But how would Catarina know that? Wouldn't any stump that was directly told a code come out and say "This isn't a code you gave me." Is he excusing the behavior of giving a fake code to Scum-hunting?

And they're only the living people. So, the first one is 1.1 and second is 4.3. I'm so sorry. You must be going nuts. We should all send name codes out next. We've decided Yes. Can you acknowledge this?

Vig targets Night One: Buck Night Two: Agnes Night Three: Bobby If you are Scum picking the first Town name that you like and then justifying it, I'm much less confident in my suspicion about Jack.

I've done nothing but promote the idea. Since I believe Barry was Scum that didn't trigger a passive kill, that could only mean there were three kills. These are only names. That's what the .# is for. If it's 5.3 it's post five, third name mentioned. Why aren't people voting?? I made codes for people I needed to talk to you about. The process is time-consuming. I never got upset with you from "pushing" codes and I was never against them until they got Daved. What are you talking about? I unvoted Nash to vote for you. And one of the things I had just pointed out about him was trying to confuse issue of the janitor and the SK, etc. So, yes, I think you're both Scummy for it. For being so active, you haven't read everything very thoroughly.

You don't remember him being the focus of any attention, but do you remember voting for him? This is really weird. You think the case Waldorf makes is so compelling you place your vote on Barry, but then today you don't remember him being the focus of any attention. Indeed. Let me translate this into Scum-speak, "Larry's lynched so I'll place a vote on a team mate to hopefully put some distance between us. " Ping a ding-ding. The more I think about this, the more compelling I find it. unvote: Nash Ash (Zepher) and vote: Jack Pine (mostlytechnic) The above discrepancy is just weird. Add that to the constant code talk and the plethora of janitor/was-Barry-SK-or-Scum? theories and he's starting to seem pretty Scummy to me. The plethora of theories could especially be used as a way to keep us from settling on the truth and keep us confused. So, tell us, were you super annoyed when Barry made such a ridiculous claim?

Barry hammered Alastair.

I meant Jack Pine! Jack Pine is suspicious to me for riding that center line, etc... However, we should remember that Peter Cedar practices his posts in Word, which pinged me as well. His posts aren't all the involved. But as pointed out early, to metagame him, his similarly hard to read on either side. Although, I admit Nash is making some good points and some of his posts helped me figure out the logic of William's claim being true. However I find his actions a bit inconsistent. Not blatantly, but just in the Scum-slipping sort of way. This theory is pretty cooky. I admit to feeling the same fear. Nash and I even discussed it in private. This pinged me only because discussion of mechanics can really help work things out. Especially considering he was suggesting above that the stumps might still be Scum, some sort of reverse death miller. In one post he makes a crazy suggestion to foster discussion. In the next he tries to stop discussion. And yet, he discusses it later: And then encourages people to give up trying to figure it out. Great idea. Let's stay confused. Are you curious about the remaining bomb claim then, because you haven't mentioned it. The day is started with strong confident words when there's a conflict between me and William. He spent a good part of yesterday speaking against me as well and on day two. Yet, he ignores this vote entirely: And justifies his suspicion of Adelaide with this: Why not vote for her then? The suspicion seems to have morphed to something new. It feels like Nash has taken advantage of the scrutiny I received from Sammy and William and when those naturally worked their way out, he backed off. Disappointed he couldn't latch onto someone else's misplaced suspicions. These are suspicions. I am not 100% confident and this is not backed up with any evidence from the Town block, unfortunately.

I didn't hear of any of this until after the Night Action submission deadline.

This, yes!

Let's start trying this out. This will be the key to verifying the cipher of the codes I just sent. N2398 claimed 2576 N6425 claimed 9918 N5655 claimed 3436 Right, OK? So N5477 is fishing for 8501 N2121 claimed 6225 N5288 claimed 6737 to N2678 Regarding a discussion we had in 2 p.4 post 11: N2398 claim 9918? because N5477 2576 Yes? or No? I think that claim 589 for N6425 Regarding a discussion we had 3 pg. 10 post 11. Yes or no?

More for Clem: N3947 3 pg. 2 post 12.1 N7446 3 pg. 2 post 12.3 N4569 3 pg. 5 post 17.1 (ignore first character name) N6464 3 pg. 11 post 2.2 N2678 3 pg. 2 post 7.1 N2121 the remaining living player who we apparently never mentioned

Yes. William believed him, didn't he? It's possible but it is rather complicated. I have a piece to that puzzle I'll reveal when I can.

Way to think it through. Good point. Again, to keep all points together, they wouldn't know his alignment unless he claimed to them. Come to think of it, why wouldn't they believe he was the vig? Unless he was hawking that neutral bomb story. I'd like to. I just need to confirm with the other members that it's OK. It should clear things up for everyone but I just want to think of all possibilities. We're all a bit paranoid. It'd be great to coordinate what we know with the stumps and come up with a road map for Scum. That's why I came up with the name code for Clem. I wish we all would've thought of that like you had. If the "All Scum are removed and not turned into stumps" theory is true, then we should look at Brickelodeon too. And my theory about him begging Bruce to unvote. Perhaps there were no Scum on his bandwagon as it had such a slow burn... Hazel and Alastair had weird interactions. Alastair accepted that random vote idea and unvoted Hazel. That pinged everybody. Perhaps that was a staged vote? Actually, I don't know. I like the sound of that though for some reason. Obviously, the random vote strategy hasn't changed much.

Why are you just looking for names? What are your thoughts and suspicions? Picking a name and justifying it later is Scummy

This is going to sound crazy coming from me, but I wouldn't advocate killing William at night. I do believe that Barry was Scum. If that's the case then him appealing to William makes it less likely that they are on the same team. Way less likely...unless it's WIFOM. But, thinking through everything and getting consistent answers from everyone involved, my suspicions of William are much lower.

Add 2 pg.2 post 16.1 N5477

I need to communicate with the Stumps about something. Clem, I need to send you some codes for names in order to communicate something more intricate that just claiming a role. These are names of players. Reference 1: our PM, reference 2: the second PM Code key. post 5.3 is the fifth post on the page referenced and the third name in that post. Names codes: 1 pg.1 post 1 N3378 1 pg.1 post 4 N7964 1 pg.1 post 5.1 N4439 1 pg.1 post 5.2 N4478 1 pg.1 post 5.3 N6472 1 pg.1 post 5.4 N5288 2 pg.1 post 1.1 N2398 2 pg.1 post 8.4 N6425 2 pg.4 post 5.2 N5655 I'll send a couple of messages in a bit.