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Well, would a PGO know if they had been set off for them to confirm with someone they trust? Is my logic sound there? If the Scum killed Clem and vig killed Bobby, then a PGO would've had to kill Berty, like Jack suggested. Unless one of the other victims was a bomb. Wouldn't that be funny? Perhaps we can get an answer, after all. Otherwise, who would've killed Berty? Without a passive kill trigger, there are three kills. I think it's worth looking over Alastair and Berty's posts, in case all Maples are taken from the forest and that's the balance to the bombs. And by bombs, I of course meant stumps.

Maybe he was also covering his bases in case he was tracked. He was talking about killing people and being a passive bomb. I would guess he was concocting a claim that tells Townies "Don't kill me and in case I'm tracked or my target is watched". As a solid suspect after Waldorf accuse him, he probably figured he would be targeted. If he was Scum, he was their killer. So, if he initiated contact with William, that would mean William is an Oak. ...Or WIFOM Can you clarify this for me? I thought I was being very clear. I thought my explanation was a strong theory that would help people see it clearly. Barry's claim was ill-advised. Who would allow such a sloppy and weird claim? I'm glad Berty brought it to Bruce's attention. Berty, did he ask you advice about who to kill? If so, what did you answer?

I have stated several times I'm not fully confident in my suspicions. I have been trying to keep an open mind and listen to what people are telling me. Most people who I trust are telling me to knock it off.

To metagame, I can't imagine why a host would punish a player for hammering a Scum... what would that balance? I have William-is-Scum-tunnel-vision-goggles on. Can somebody be my eyes? He wasn't a bomb at all. I've already said that. Berty also tells me that William told him that we (William and I) distrust each other not that he thought I was Scum. Interesting wording when he says he didn't believe my suspicions of him.

From Mafiawiki: And: "more commonly Town than Mafia" is no endorsement that it's not possible he's a Vengeful Scum. Am I still tunneling my focus on him? Or are my new concerns about him legit? Because now what he's saying sounds downright ridiculous. No offense, William.

Barry was a liar, spreading lies. I wouldn't call that trust. You just remembered that? Why didn't you mention him talking about me when it was first mentioned you had talked about killing me? That's a huge lapse in memory. Why did he trust you so much that he "had your back"? William, did you press him at all about the weird kind-of-vig-but-neutrally claim he made? I imagine if I had made such a weird claim you would've PMed every player in the game about it. And why were you focused on me when Bobby and Clem were dead and Barry had been talking to you about killing them? You're trying to get lynched. You have to be.

It doesn't hinge on that at all. Three dead people, Larry and Bobby more suspicion than Barry, so why was Barry janitored? The Scum wouldn't have known if he was neutral. They would've known if he was Maple or not. Why are you resisting the theory?

You didn't format it correctly.

I answered that already. However Berty tells me Barry new about Williams "deal" with me. How did he know that?? Knew

vote: Nash Ash (Zepher)

Hazel, they wouldn't know he was a "bomb". I think Sammy makes a solid point about how Scum would use vengeful and feel less confident about my suspicion of William. I'm still baffled about his involvement with Barry and Gus reactions to that seem tame for him...but I digress My top suspicions now are Nash Ash for reasons I've already stated and once again trying to capitalize on a conflict between two other players. I lost a post to my phone yesterday but I was demonstrating Sue's parroting behavior Peter Cedar seems to be riding that center line. He calls his activity Scum hunting but he hasn't brought up any suspicions from this hunt. He mostly fills posts with code and mechanics talk.

Thanks for demonstrating my point on now Scum have a different challenge in this game for making a kill. Perhaps they were warned from the beginning by Alden that the kills would become stumps. Lauren, a simple check shows me that Clem has not had plenty of time, he's had zero time since he hasn't logged in for a little over 12 hours.

Probably so people will ask questions like this. ...Or be afraid of things like this. Night Actions targets have been played close to the chest. We are being very careful about these things. If my analysis of Night kills is correct, the Scum killed Lauren, Vickory and Clem. My guess is they are looking for middle of the road posters who are likely to be hiding Night Actions. Maybe they realize that killing one of us and verifying one of us will cause a better coordination of codes on the stump side. That's a great reason, actually. The stumps might be affecting their choices of night kill. Also, we haven't had a very smooth acceptance as the Town block. There's been heavy scrutiny every day. Why would they kill one of us and verify the other when there's a possibility one of us will be lynched? Additionally, killing active players who are Town and not active Scum could potentially reveal the active Scum since the pool of active players is smaller. Let me again point out that Clem was in the list of people who hadn't sent codes to the stumps before Lauren blurted out that all the claims were vanilla. So, let's give a huge round of applause to Lauren for narrowing the field down for them. Or, we've been infiltrated. I doubt that, but anyone who knows me knows that possibility will gnaw at me. Also, if I weren't in the Town block I'd be asking people to think of the same thing, so let's all keep this in mind. Also, as pointed out, being verified has not given us the ability to catch any Scum yet so they probably don't view me or Bruce as a huge threat. By the way, Jack, you're doing that thing again where you don't point out any suspicions of anyone, just discuss mechanics and past games.

There were three major suspects yesterday: Larry, Bobby and Barry. All three are dead, why would the Scum janitor Barry if they were all three Town? I'm assuming the Scum are told the dead at the NA deadline (that's how it's been done before on EB) and then they choose who to clean up. If Barry really was a neutral bomb, how would the Scum know he was neutral? Why wouldn't they stick with the bandwagon of Larry since that would throw off our ability to analyze another lynch vote? And it would keep the janitor action consistent with the lynch to further confuse us. His case was brought up late in the day by one person. It was arguably the weakest case since it was the first time major suspicion had been brought up about Barry. Why would cleaning up Town Barry help the Scum? If they were all three non-Maple, Larry or Bobby make much more sense to janitor. My conclusion: Barry was Scum. Nobody blew up. It says he was felled and then they used dynamite to remove the stump. That's how it's done in the time of Rush:

It was Barry, not Bobby, right? Ugh. Barry, Bobby, Berty, Bomb. I don't know. Yes, Barry. I fixed my quote above there. Are Penn & Teller intimidating? I concur with this. I've been arguing with Bruce all night about it. No, bombs don't go off by themselves. Also, I don't think bombs are neutral but then convert to a killer and win when they kill just one other player. That's ludicrous. Where is Berty? I also believe there were three kills last night. This would indicate that Barry was janitored by the Scum and most likely Scum himself after that ludicrous roleclaim. I think you called him out yesterday, he knew he could be a lynch target today and tried to feed Berty that ludicrous claim to be proacive. Or maybe he and Berty came up with the genius plan together.

What I meant is: Hazel, what way do you think we should be viewing the disappearance of Barry?

I can't help myself. One more point: How is Mr-so-sure-of-himself not all over Barry claiming "some kind of killer, not exactly vigilante" but is 100% sure about me because I'm suspicious of him. I can't imagine William softly accepting such a waffly claim. I suppose I'll digress unless anyone else sees what I see.

Did this ping anybody? What do you think the right way to view this is? Why Maggie? Peter's voting was really odd yesterday. Nash is still weird.

Prophetic:

No, this is separate from the person who claimed bomb to me. It seems like Berty was alerting Bruce what Bobby was saying but Bruce will have to verify that. There's still a bomb claim alive among us. Berty asked me about the bomb the first time, but went to Bruce when Bobby claimed Bomb.

I can't talk to you, Lauren. You give me a headache.

Nay!!!!! Let Clem deal with the codes and sit down for a while, please. No offense, but just give your brain a rest.

At this point I'm back on board. I sent my codes. The rest of the block didn't trust Lauren. Let's let Clem handle everything from now on, please. I think the others in the block will be able to agree to that.

Talk to Clem when he gets here. He'll explain my code.

I just figured if you were Scum it was a complete lie, but Adelaide's right, you might actually be vengeful but Scum. That would explain your confidence in being able to kill someone when lynched. As far as being your hammer, I prefer not to do things on the terms of someone so Scummy. Oh, good catch. Of course you meant the Town, the side you're on, right?