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Again, a spectacular locomotive, with a tremendous attention to details which makes me wonder every time you propose your MOCs. I can only imagine the study and work (and time) you put behind these creations to make them so beautiful, realistic, refined and I'd say "complete" since you are also adding complementary things like that nice Saab! Great, great, GREAT Sven!!! Ciao! Davide

Thank you very much sir!!! Thanks Emanuele!!! It is a good "scale" to work on, but shows some limits in 12v ... and needs some study - Ciao!!! Ciao Thorsten, thanks a lot for your kind words - I agree that 6-wide is the perfect TLG compromise. And I like it too - working with set limits allows you to create a "standard". You can even optimize it , or reinvent it (4,5v/12v-->9v-->RC/PF) to make it more powerful - or simply cheaper. Rework the 12v mechanism...could be challenging, but it can also be fun! Thanks!!! It was an interesting work, and opens up to some other experiments (even thanks to the comments received in this thread)! Ciao Holger - you are right - wheels are small,small,small! And I think that's why the second shelf (as noted by @Sven J) is full of narrow-gauge models (which more likely accept small diameter wheels). The medium size wheels are the correct ones for this locomotive and its dimensions. I made it looking at Torben's images without too much attention to the real scale - I simply made it 8-wide and I tried to resize the sides accordingly. Just for "science" I got some BR80 blueprints - I want to see which scale could be acceptable for an 8-wide 12v Lego model - with some attention to prototype wheels size (I think we're between 1:45 and 1:48). I like the idea of push-train! Ciao and thanks again to all!!! Davide

Thanks Sven!!! Not so much, since they are well integrated in the chassis - maybe I can try to reduce a bit the overhang by one stud in the front , since it is colliding with 12v switch actuator. But then, other problems could arise - even the track design should be adapted to the bigger scale, so after the switch, track should be moved away in order to avoid collisions between locomotives in parallel tracks. Then we've the coupling thing...I am using a small 7720 wagon - but surely also wagons would be bigger and longer - so all the coupling system should be re-designed from scratch (I was thinking to fixed bars with a inner pivoting point). Also 2 axle wagons will have problems with R40, so our old, friendly G-Scale technology could be again the solution (turning wheel axles). The 80-039 number was taken from the ROCO model I used as "template" - and it's good to hear this is a still existing and working locomotive!!! A personal feeling: Now that I tried these kind of "scale" directly on 12v, I re-evaluated the 9v system. If I look at the 9v switches, they are surely wider than 12v, and allow without too many problems to use the 8-wide solution. I am thinking that tests of bigger trains in 12v could have influenced the choice to modify the 9v track geometry. Probably an 8-wide train system was no good for TLG (more parts, more engineering, more weight, and more pricey sets).

Very, very nice locomotives - and the Conjunction Junction wagons are simply lovely. The combination of green locomotive + NOT THIS BUT THAT AND OR wagons + KATY caboose is the perfect consist!!! Great job, as always! Ciao! Davide

Hi all, since I read the very, very interesting thread about Torben Plagborg creations, I've been trying some new designs (some are just sketches, just to understand how things could work). Now, in this nice thread some nice 12v creations can be seen - but one captured my interest more than others. It's a little blue steamer with a black 12v motor. It seems pretty big, so I'd say it was an 8-wide experiment. In general, all the top shelves are very interesting. Starting from that little steamer, I began to think about a 12v locomotive in 8-wide. So I started designing another small steamer (I'd say a well known prototype): the great Deutsche Bundesbahn BR-80. 8-wide is not a common scale for me - I only tried it two times in my whole life, so it was a trial and error process. I tried to use parts that could have been available in the last 80s /first 90s - during the Phase II of the Gray Era and the advent of 9v era. And here it is...it recalls me a "fat" 7727/7730, with a touch of 7810... 8-wide gives some possibility also to work with odd number of studs (boiler is 5 studs wide instead of the classic 4-wide used in standard 12v steamers). I kept the standard cylinders, the ladders, rods, red buffers and magnets, which fit nicely an keep the 12v feeling alive. I used Some SNOT for the doors, using headlight bricks. Everything was already experimented at the time (e.g. the B-model wagon with horizontal sliding doors in 7735 instructions). Right side is quite symmetrical to the left one, apart some details. 12v motor looks nice, now that the body is correctly larger. Weights can sit on top of the motor - but the model could already be sufficiently heavy to have some decent traction and pulling power. I think adding lights won't be a problem nowadays, but for sure at the time (80s/90s) it could have been an additional challenge ! But...there are some issues that must be noted: The buffers overhang is quite...massive - and this SURELY will create problems with 12v switches, since the buffers will collide with the switching electric mechanism. Coupling wagons on R40 curves could be impossible...since this BR80 is longer than any other 12v locomotive or wagon not based on bogies chassis. Weight of a complete train could be excessive for the poor 12v motors. I think it has been a very fun experiment, a real "12v+" MOC...but being realistic - in my opinion it's too limited by the motor, wheels size...and 12v track geometry itself . Maybe, with 3d printed 12v wheels and a PF-based motor it could work on PF flexible track - but it would then loose 90% of its "vintage" appeal. I'd classify it as "Virtual Shelf Queen" ! Ciao! Davide

OOOOH nice idea!!! 12v in 4-wide!!! Very very very interesting!!!

Immediately recognizable , and faithful to its prototype!!! Great job!!! Ciao! Davide

Great small locomotive - and the diorama is truly adding to the overall scene!!! Nice work! Davide

A very nice way to move such a small critter!!! Great work!!! Ciaaao! Davide

Great mod of the original, Emanuele! Veeery nice locomotive,a real classic! Nice blind wheel and rods!!! Ciao! Davide

Great layout (THAT control console is...well, eeeh...I'd say...something that goes beyond any 12v desire!!! ) and great 7740! It's a true example of "12v+" - new shapes based on old technology!!! Nice, nice , nice stuff! Ciao! Davide p.s. Greetings from my old Panda 750!!!

Brilliant! I am a new customer since...5 minutes! Thanks! I was wondering about the position of weights in 7810 Model B - when equipped with a 12v motor. it could be curious to see a motorized one! I once built it with 4,5v motor and it was wonderfully ugly. I loved it! Ciao and thanks again for the link! Davide

Mainly I refer to the "white doors" version of the blue battery car of the 7720, which is more suitable to the 1st generation of 12v like 7710 and 7810,but also these ones are interesting!

For the 7810 stickers I had no problems - the problem is to retrieve the battery wagon's ones

...and I'd say it's a great post for becoming Citizen!!!

I had the red motor too in the past, but I then reverted to the black one - which is more likely to be the natural "expansion" of the set, with the addition of the 7865 motor. I fully agree that the red motor is better looking than the black one (but I needed it somewhere else) . I have the original sticker sheet, but I used repro stickers, so I put the weight bricks on the sides without too much thinking. My other 7810 has been converted to 4,5v, keeping its original side bricks position. Both have additional 4,5v and 12v light bricks on central headlight. I was thinking to revert one of these to the original push along version, preparing a fake battery box wagon with an old 12v motor in it. I'd like to find somewhere the repro stickers for it - but for the moment no luck. Ciao! Davide

Impressive machine - I personally like more the darker paint scheme instead of the "Daylight" one - it seems to me more suitable to its length and overall dimension. Have you already thought about where the motors will be (in the tender or moving the big drivers)? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice work! Ciao!!! Davide

Hi, and welcome! Very nice MOC you presented - colorful and well done!!! Ciao! Davide

Really, really, really nice!!!

Your solution is just perfect, once again we are aligned! I tried it in the past (2015!!!) with flexible curve tracks and it works! You just need to use the newer type of gears, which have smoother sides and can arrange the curves without "clicking". Good job and good ideas!!! Thanks!!!

Ooooh what a nice track without sleepers! However, If you find someone who's sleeping, you can always pass over them with that car. But wait, if it is a car, why is it not attached to a locomotive? I'm an idiot, I already know.

It seems so - also for some locomotives of the second row. But thinking to use them as traction wheels would mean a different 12v motor, otherwise some problems could arise : Larger wheels mean a lower final transmission ratio, therefore a loss of torque - and those locomotive really need it (they seem heavy). power pickups will be higher and won't touch the rails. Some locomotives have a visible red motor, others simply have all big wheels (in some cases with - I think - larger rods). Or these locomotives were intended as to be pushed (so the rubber bands are used to move the wheels in a passive mode), or it could be a very improbable first contamination of Technic into train's world, so we've a 12v motor inside, but not the train one (but here I could be influenced by my past experiences). 8-wide was experimented also in the late 60s - in 241-242 books there are some pictures of larger steamers. I see the green color popping out in some models - FINALLY! There's plenty of inspiration (at least for me) to work for years!!!

Wonderful locomotive and really really good work on the bogies articulation! Ciao! Davide

It's huge, big and...great! Fantastic locomotive with a really really interesting rods solution - the sound circuit is a fantastic addition to an already spectacular locomotive! Ciao! Davide

Well, seeing the video I immediately thought about a magnificent snake going around a railway track - perfect speed, the cars are long, but work perfectly all together...it's the third time I watch it! Great stuff, as always!!! Ciao, Davide