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But you chose to be the Rogue! Or did I just claim Mage first?

Sorry, I know there's serious scum hunting to be done, but that was such a beautiful vision. And rhyme.

I'm sure that's crossed a number of people's minds, but why say it out loud? Why warn the scum like that and then urge them to be paranoid? Oh, and is this true? Is it common knowledge? I looked back and couldn't see that it was, so what exactly happened here? And Dave, you say your vote for TPRU was 'vindictive'? Is that all, or was there something more to it?

Haha, me too! Thanks Rog! Thanks Leela, and yes, I think I'll be putting a turtle in the bathtub too! Thank you Daisy, I hope your girls enjoyed it too (and I'm glad I behaved myself with my language!) Thanks LT, I hope they make it to Aus soon so your wife can get one. Thanks Pellaeon; yes Joanna's hair is the typical rubber for Friends hair, and it has only one hole for an accessory, which is on the back, not the top, unfortunately. I've taken another picture to illustrate for you: Thanks Lordofdragonss, there's a lot of animal related parts here that can be mixed and matched with other sets, yes. Thanks Rick. I think the light aqua bricks look best when the set hasn't had any pink or magenta added. I think I might blame any pitfalls of this set on the magenta roof! Seeing the new mould for the sign was hugely exciting, I must say, and I just happened to have a Fabuland sign nearby for comparison! Thanks CopMike! I agree, and I'm hoping that now they have a new mould, they'll produce lots in a variety of colours. Thanks Redhead1982! There are some similarities with the Café, yes, but this has less of a 1950s vibe to me. That, and it feels more European and less American, so mixing up the architecture of Heartlake City a little. The poodle is quite cute, but I still maintain it's up to no good! Thanks for your comments Gryphon Ink. Thanks for the compliments LegoMyMamma, does that mean there's a new MOC in the pipeline? And yes, Joanna's hairpiece does look similar, but more on that below (and I've taken pics too! ) That's so funny Maya, thank you for confessing that! (And I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who mistakes things ) Thanks Sandy, smartypants. I also thought the build outside might be one of those cat climby-things, but the holes of the technic bricks made me think birdhouse. And yes, you're right, this isn't the first plait (I remembered when I saw LegoMyMamma's comment) so here are some bonus pics for comparison: The 2010 hair looks pretty on Joanna, I think, but the Friends hair makes our Town girl look much older than before. Thanks TheLegoDr, I do think there are lots of useful pieces here, especially the sign, and yes, as you've already gathered 'plait' is the British version of 'braid'. Thank you RoxYourBlox, I agree the shape of the building is one of my favourite features of the set, and the colour palette is unusual compared to some of the others. I too would like more than tan-walled magenta-roofed buildings, but as you mentioned, there's more to come in the summer wave. Addendum: I forgot to add a poll (silly me ) so please do add your votes at the top! Thanks!

After a day and two nights I had hoped to see at least one dead scum by now. The only consistent kill action we've seen from night to night so far is the chainsaw killer. I still don't have a strong feeling one way or the other whether this is the scum kill or not, and really I'm open to any theories. If we do assume Corny was killed by the scum, then that seems like a big gamble on their part when their recruiting counter-parts may well have been trying to recruit Corny last night too. So either they didn't think their counterparts would try to recruit the newly elected Mayor, or (more worryingly) they knew they wouldn't because they've already teamed up. If they have teamed up then it will make behavioural patterns easier, but we've lost a significant advantage against them. Neither Corny nor darkdragon strike me as sensible targets for the SK, and we know we have a psycho killer. I wondered if the psycho killer was just actually the vig, but then def said he 'wasn't a nice chap' and that we 'didn't want to be on his list' or something, implying that that role isn't a Town-friendly role.

Thanks Corny, I think we all really, really tried with that fight. Zepher, I love your quests, you know that, but if you were willing to take out 2 apprentices then that shows you were willing to edit the enemies relative to the hero team. If all the heroes had only gone to one place you would have adjusted the enemies accordingly, so why you felt you couldn't do more this time is something I fail to understand. I know you don't have to make the battles easy, but they should at least be possible (and possible with a percentage that's a whole number). I always meant to reply to the music question a while back, and maybe I still will. There was another question I spent too long thinking about too, but I can't even remember what it was. As to why Nyx is called Nyx.. well my interest in mythology should be evident, so have a look here (and this might also explain why I chose the name Lyssa whilst in Strivvi).

Number – 41007 Name – Heartlake Pet Salon Theme – Town Subtheme - Friends Year – 2013 Minidolls – 2 Pieces – 242 Price – £29.99, $29.99, €32.99 Links: Brickset, Bricklink, Peeron not yet listed. Shop@Home. Information from LEGO shop@home: Ru unexpectedly brought this (and 41008: Heartlake City Pool) home for me just after Christmas, and despite 41008 looking like a great set, this was the one that grabbed my interest most out of the two. From the first look of the set I was interested in the fact that it was a shop with a large glass frontage, and that it seemed to have a whole lot of stuff in it, and I'm rather fond of stuff. So how does this set look out of the box, and how will this bode for the 2013 range of Friends sets? Read on to find out.. The Box As is traditional, we start with a look at the front of the box. Interestingly, the boxes for the new wave of Friends sets are ever so slightly different from the originals. Firstly, have a little look at the gaggle of Friends in the top right – they look a little more clingy, don’t they? If you compare that portrayal with one from an earlier box, there’s quite a noticeable difference. Unfortunately, I don’t really like this new portrayal; the girls seem simpering and .. a bit needy, really. The old portrayal was of much stronger more confident girls. Oh well, it’s one corner of the box. The rest of the box front has a picture of the entire set, arranged in a way that displays as many features as possible. The background is of a simple, pastel town, and there are some small insets to display a play feature, and the girls that are included. More on them later. The back of the box is another fiesta of shades of purple, but the pictures give you good views of the play features and the interior of the salon, so you really know what you’re getting before you buy. There’s an illustration of how to build a minidoll, and also an indication of what one might find inside the box. There’s the same picture of the 5 ‘core’ Friends as is on the front, but this time their names are overlayed to help forgetful parents, plus there is a large new picture of Emma in the top right. I’m sure they meant Emma to look sweet and friendly, but really she looks insecure and slightly worried. Maybe it’s just me, but the impression I get now is a far-cry from the strong and independent girls that were first introduced. The top of the box is pleasant in its simplicity, and essentially gives first-time buyers an idea of the size of the minidolls; a common feature on all LEGO boxes. The bottom of the box has all the required safety information in all the required languages, and you can also see the price sticker from the LEGO store. The interesting thing is the background colour, which is a lighter shade of lavender than has been used previously. The difference is subtle, but noticeable, and in fact the colour is more blue-tinged than that on the older boxes. I can imagine several people being entirely unfussed about this change, but to me this is a nicer colour, and slightly less girly. The right side of the box continues this colour, which contrasts nicely with the dark purple on the ellipsed corners. The declaration of where the components are made is clear, and bold, in case anyone’s concerned, and there’s a sweet little advert for the LEGOClub website. Just like the right side, TLG have also gone for a ‘less is more’ look for the left side of the box. There is some gentle detailing with the various swathes of pink and purple, and the nice, subtle Friends pattern, with a rather small inset picture of the set. It’s the same picture as on the front of the box, so it doesn’t add any information, so really it’s just there for aesthetics. And it works very nicely. The Box Contents As indicated on the back of the box, there are two numbered bags of LEGO parts inside. I was quite surprised by this, as it’s not a big set, and the parts could just as easily been bagged up without being sorted into sections. This sort of separation makes sense for modular buildings or sets built in a modular way, but it seems unnecessary for one little shop. It doesn’t matter much; if you’re a first time builder it makes sorting the pieces a tiny fraction easier, and if you just lump all the contents of the bags together from the start anyway, then it doesn’t matter one jot. Loose inside the box are also a pair of bright light blue plates, both of which are only seen in Friends sets, and only two other Friends sets,specifically 3061: City Park Café, and 3188: Heartlake Vet. Also loose, but in miraculously good condition, is the dreaded sticker sheet. The stickers look a bit unusual until they are actually applied to the set, and the poodle-with-kitten combo is slightly cutesy, especially with the hearts. The colour scheme is clearly Friends without including much pink, and they actually work well with the pieces. This set is the first set I have ever actually applied the stickers to; shocking, I know, but I hope you’ll see later how they actually do add something to the building. The Instructions There is just one instruction booklet, but you’d know that if you looked at the back of the box properly. The picture and graphics here are pretty much exactly the same as on the front of the box, but that’s ok. I don’t expect something new and different, I just want the instructions to be identifiable, and the nicest way to do that is with a picture of the set. Remarkably, like the sticker sheet, this was also in miraculously good condition. I think we’d all fall over in disbelief if there were a reasonably sized set aimed at children that didn’t have a picture of a Gagne-child on the back. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I much prefer this quite sweet girl to the obnoxious looking boy they have for other sets. I can even bear to show this picture in my review. Aside from that, basically: you can still win stuff. An absolutely charming addition inside the instruction booklet is a short comic strip Emma demonstrating how to build the set. Any set (and please remember folks that this isn’t limited to Friends) that has numbered bags has some sort of indication that you should build one bag at a time, because they’ve packed it that way. I love this new illustration – it gives exactly the same information as before but in a much more entertaining way. The other side shows the beginning of the build, and is reminiscent of many Town sets to me (assemble the minifigs; large plate plus bag #x makes such and such). Towards the back of the instruction booklet there’s the handy checklist for you to tick off your sets as you buy them, but there’s also a brand new illustration of Heartlake City. It doesn’t seem to be quite so obvious what the future releases might be, but maybe someone here will spot something? As always, they have included those most useful pages in the booklet, the inventory listing. If you click on the picture it should link to original high-res image, but even a glance here shows a good colour mix and variety of parts. I’ve also included this, which is a random page in the instructions. People like to see these, because it gives them an idea of the build. I also think this demonstrates that this, just like any other LEGO set, is not the kind of thing you can put together without instructions because it’s so simplistic and easy, because it’s actually not so simplistic and easy. I’ll probably comment more on this later, in fact I know I will. The Parts The contents of the first bag, as you can see (or not, as the case may be), are actually mostly white or trans clear. There’s a very interesting selection of pieces here. We’ll start with the rather small amount of pink. The magenta 1x3x2 curved top arches and 3x3x2 dome top pieces are new in this colour for this set, and only available in this set and the 6 magenta 1x4x1 1/3 curved bricks can only be found in this colour in 3939: Mia’s Bedroom, and you can only find one there. The bright pink 1x3x2 curved top bricks has only been seen in this colour before in 3061: City Park Café, so we’re off to an interesting start with the smallish amount of pink pieces. The light aqua 1x2x5 bricks haven’t been seen in this colour before, and there’s a rather good selection of dark blue pieces here too. The white and light bley pieces also have useful bits and bobs in them, including the white 1x4 SNOT brick and the always-useful light bley taps and 4x4 macaroni pieces. Next to the yellow pieces you can see a new shop sign, which is a completely new mould; we’ll look more closely at that shortly. The 4x4x6 trans clear curved panel can only be found in 3061: City Park Café, and the Star wars set 9526: Palpatine’s Arrest. Here’s a closer look at the shop sign. At first glance you could be forgiven for thinking that Fabuland was making a comeback, but actually this is ever so slightly different to the Fabuland sign (the red sign here) in that it is slightly smaller and has slightly less filigree. It’s nice to see this type of piece come back, though, and with some custom decals I can see this appearing in a few MOCs. In the second bag, the contents are more colourful, and the interest continues. It still manages to look quite pink, despite there not being that great a proportion of pink in the set (just perhaps more than in most non-Friends sets these days, that’s all) but there’s all sorts of accessories and a few printed parts here. Naturally there are also the Friends accessories, newly available in dark purple for this set, just as each colour of accessories has only appeared in one set each. Overall, I thought there were quite a few interesting parts, so I’ve put them all together here. I’ve mentioned quite a few pieces here already, but there are a few more worthy of note (and I’ve only included one of each part referenced in this picture). The 1x2x2/3 slopes for instance, in this set in bright pink, light aqua and medium lavender and these parts are pretty much exclusive to Friends sets with the exception of the light aqua, which can also be found in 8487: Flo’s V8 Café. You can also only find the 1x2x2 medium lavender brick in Friends sets, and the pearl gold taps are a Belville throwback that has reared up again in Friends, along with a guest appearance in 10229: Winter Village Cottage. The printed medium azure 1x1 round brick has only been seen in Friends sets, but then it is very much a Friends piece, and the printed cash register piece, despite being reminiscent of Fabuland, is also an exclusively Friends piece. We get another new Friend with this set, in the form of Joanna, who has a pretty patterned orange vest and magenta shorts, neither of which have been seen before, and thus they provide new outfit choices for Andrea and also Ella, Nicole, Sarah, Chloe and Kate. Emma has a new top in tasteful dark blue with pale pink and lilac flowers printed on it, and also has a printed necklace, too. The bright pink layered skirt has been seen before on Olivia in 3937: Olivia’s Speedboat, and on Sophie in 3188: Heartlake Vet so it’s the least exciting clothing part here. The poodle has sweet printed eyes, which are oddly blue (I didn’t think dogs had blue eyes). Its collar is pink with a little bone tag hanging from it, which is a cute little detail. It’s a very sweet-looking poodle, but it looks wily, like it knows something you don’t. Anyway, it’s also a very accurate representation of a poodle in LEGO form, which is what matters. Emma’s hair is… Emma’s hair; the hairstyle she usually wears, but Joanna has a brand new hair mould, and her hair is braided into plaits. Why haven’t we seen plaits in LEGO before now? I dunno, but surely now the mould is out there we’ll begin to see more of it. I really like this new mould, I think it looks great, and a new female hairpiece is always welcome. The back of the poodle lacks printing, which is probably for the best, really. The Build Now I think this is an interesting picture. This is here to illustrate just how far you get in the building process before you start adding any pink whatsoever. You’ve pretty much got the shop built, and some of the structure inside, and I think this really shows that actually the ‘pinkness’ of these sets is quite superficial. You could easily switch out the 8x16 and 16x16 bright light blue plate for some light bley ones to make a bland and non-girly basis for a shop if you wanted to. Round the back, you can see that there’s already quite a few bits and pieces placed inside the shop, as I mentioned, so it’s not as if you’ve only put up a few trans clear windows and then everything goes pink. And even from this point onwards, there’s still not that much pink or lavender. So when you do add all the other pieces (including the pink) this is what you create. You’ll notice I’ve even applied the stickers , which is something I very rarely do, but they allow the set to make more sense. There are some extra small builds that sit outside the shop that make it more interactive. They’re each about the size of a polybag set, perhaps slightly smaller. Both of these extra little builds are quite fun, without being too challenging. They strike me as good things for younger hands to be doing while the main build is being built, to keep them occupied and out of trouble. On the left we have a stand to display bones and accessories for pets. The stickers suddenly make sense; they are the price tags, and characters can roleplay picking out what they'd like and buying the actual pieces, rather than a representation of them. It's also a handy place to put the gazillions of purple accessories. On the right is quite obviously a bath, and we have that because this is a grooming salon as well as a pet store. I like the use of the 1x1 round plates to signify the hot and cold sides of the mixer tap, and the bath is about the right height to get most of the small Friends animals into with a Friends minidoll standing next to the bath. It's a fun little build and, like the display stand, it adds to the play features. So should we talk about the roof now? It's quite an extravagant structure, and you've seen how the building looks without it. It's very curvy and 1950s, and rather pink too, as I'm sure you've noticed. It does mean that this shop fits in with the aesthetics of 3061: City Park Café, and thus makes the Friends range cohesive, but it seems like a rather large addition of pink stuff on top of the shop. It's an interesting build, and it allows display of the new sign part, which I really like, but it seems a little excessive for a small high street shop. Anyway, the lovely thing is that you can see right inside the shop at what's going on inside, and there are some nice details outside too (aside from the extra builds above). There's a pink water bowl for the wily poodle to drink from, some pretty (and mercifully not exclusively pink) flowers, and another structure outside the right hand side of the set, which might be a birdhouse. Here's a better view of the birdhouse outside the salon, well, I assume it's a birdhouse, because it looks like one. It certainly looks like something that would be found for sale outside a pet shop, so it's a logical addition. The large windows allow an easy view into the shop to see what's going on inside, and you can glimpse a brush and comb ready for use. Once we get round the back of the shop, we can see all the added features inside. Like the other Friends sets, attention has been paid to the interior, to make it interactive and fun. After all, this wouldn't be a shop if it didn't have stuff in it; it'd just be a brightly coloured building. We can look at the various additions inside. So on the other side of the window where the presumed birdhouse was, we have a beauty station for pets. The two white 1x2 jumper plates are attached to a turntable, so a pet may be applied and spun for easy grooming. There are holders for the brush and comb on the grooming stand (which you could see through the window from the front of the shop), and a hairdryer and grooming shears (represented here by the feather piece) handily attached to the wall. In the foreground you can see a container that is built in order to contain the accessories. I like the fact that the container is constructed, as it illustrates again how these sets aren't just a pile of large, '<insert that tiresome argument>' pieces, but are building sets on a par with any other LEGO set of the same size. Also towards the back of the shop there is a cash register, complete with pink drawer and money. I have no idea what the trans red cheese wedge represents; maybe it's the chip and pin machine? You may also be able to just make out the top of a carrot top that sits in the lime green basket nest to the cash register. Maybe this is for impulse purchases of greenery to feed your pet? Or maybe this is someone's current purchase waiting to be rung up at the till? Looking at the back of the shop from the other angle, you can see that while the previous side was devoted to grooming, this side is devoted to sales. The addition of the stickers to these parts make this section bright and colourful and interesting. There is also a better appreciation of how bright the designers have made this set through the copious addition of windows, and it's great to be able to see in from all angles. Zooming in so that we can see better, there are some nice products for the Friends to buy for their pets. There are bags of dry dog and cat food, tins of (presumably) pet food, and dog collars and cat toys for sale on the wall. The 2x2 stickered tiles attached to the yellow 3x2 modified plates really do look like items one may see for sale on a rack in shops, and small as it is, I find this feature endearing. The fact that the holes in the modified plates allow then to be attached to headlamp bricks in the wall means that these items are easily removable, and could even be used as parts to play in another set. So here is the full set in all its gloriousness. Those large windows are just great, and there's so much to see inside. Wily poodle is made even more deceivingly innocent with the addition of a bow, and you can see the additional builds together with the main building to appreciate their context. A hitherto unmentioned feature is the outside tap on the left wall, which is unnecessary with the presence of the bathtub, so it's a nice extra feature. The bath tub, when shown in scale with the poodle, now seems rather grand and luxurious. Lucky poodle. There are so many details to appreciate, and the only area that I'm not so keen on is the roof. As with any set, there's a small number of leftover pieces, mostly 1x1 round plates, but I certainly don't object to extra LEGO, and I quite like having the extra flower and bone pieces, for instance. Conclusion Design: 8/10 I think this shop looks great, especially with the double-fronted, curved, floor-length, trans clear window panes. Having the doorway between the two looks great, and is reminiscent of independent high street shops, especially in Europe. I showed you how far you can get without adding the pink, which is very superficial, and actually doesn't necessarily add to the aesthetics of the shop. The pink parts do, however, make this set fit in well with the rest of the Friends sets and Heartlake city, so I can understand their addition. Having the stickered pieces hanging from the wall is a great design feature to me, but there are plenty to appreciate. Parts: 9/10 The new sign! I love it, and I really hope to see more of it. That and the fact that there are a good number of parts here in a new colour for that part. As one might expect, there are a good number of accessories, and these have cropped up in a new colour this time. A few printed pieces and some other useful bits and bob, and a good number of those lovely curved windows, and this smallish set actually has a high proportion of interesting pieces. Minifigs: 8/10 Another new Friend in the form of Joanna, and she seems nice. She's come with interesting clothes and a great new hairpiece, but... she's not male. We cry and wail for more males in Heartlake, even as shopkeepers, but it seems the idea is that the Friends themselves are running all the businesses in Heartlake. Maybe we're seeing them at all these businesses collecting their 'protection' money? Anyway, I digress, two minidolls is the right number for this set, and while Emma will always be Emma, it's great to see her with a new torso. Build: 9/10 I may have been more subtle in my previous Friends reviews, so I will make some points again. The build for this set is in no way easier than the build for any other Town or CREATOR set of a similar size. The building is absolutely the same, and definitely not easier. This set, like all the other Friends sets, is not dumbed down because it's for girls. It's a fun build, and it has some interesting processes, and anyone who says the build looks easy may well be right, but it's not easier than any other LEGO set of the same size. I enjoyed it just as much as building 7346: Seaside House, which was a set almost twice the size, with three builds. Playability: 9/10 Well, there are lots of accessories for a start, and the whole set has bags of roleplay potential. Most kids love playing shop, and that's completely covered with the cash register, the money and the items for sale. Add to that the whole pet salon part, where animals can be bathed and groomed and accessorised, then there's tons of playability. There may not be moving parts or dynamic action, but there's still plenty to play with. Price: 8/10 I think that £29.99 is a very fair price for the parts and build experience in this set. The price evaluation is often the most subjective part of any review, and you can try to objectivise it by listing price per piece, but if you don't want the pieces then the price doesn't matter. I like this set a lot, and if I didn't already have one, I'd feel comfortable paying this price for it. Overall 85% A pet shop isn't very girly, heck we have a Modular version already, but a pet grooming salon may well be considered to be on the pinker end of the spectrum. The grooming salon aspect of this set is done fully, and having the pet shop aspect of the set helps tone the 'girliness' down somewhat. There are some great parts here, especially for Town builders, and a brand new Friend (even if she is female) along with her new hairpiece and Emma's new torso, and another ton of Friends accessories along with other removable features. The shop looks mostly great, although I have some reservations about the roof structure, but the windows are truly lovely, and there's tons of stuff to build and play with. With the advent of all the collectible Friends animals, sets that integrate animals more will also help integrate these small satellite sets. This is a charming little shop, and a really lovely addition to Heartlake City. "Ella, I don't care how much money you have, you are not going to be able to fit your horse in that bath!" Thank you for reading, comments are always very welcome. High-Res pictures can be found on my flickr account.

Thanks, but they were pretty much rhetorical questions. I was making the point that it was an inefficient thing to do. Why not try to get people to unvote him and vote for Hinck at the same time? Sorry, let me rephrase that - it would have made more sense to try to get everyone to vote for Hinck, especially the people who had voted for him. If he'd had a good enough argument, some of us might have.

"Atramor, don't waste your Ether on me, I have..." Nyx trails off, knowing he wasn't in the mood to listen. She picks up Poletad, warming him slightly with her hands, the crispness of the ice magic still melting away. She tries to wrap her head around what just happened, and fails to keep her emotions fully in check. Why had her heart leapt when she saw him? And Sphinx.. he'd melted the ice on Poletad. Sphinx had behaved oddly before, not like the typical bad guys that just needed a good incineration, so... XX and Sphinx together, being... helpful, and abducting Zee as a hostage to exchange.. with whom? Who the hell would want Zee? And who did they intend to get in return for Zee? From Sphinx's words, it really didn't sound like they were working with Wren, but was that just because she didn't want to believe that XX was her enemy once more? She sighs, feeling slightly bruised although deliciously and toasty warm, and has this strange feeling in her chest, reaching up to her throat. She's not even sure whether it's unpleasant or not. "We should regroup with the others, I guess. Is the gate closed? Do we need to do anything else here?"

Then that would explain why he didn't PM me either. Mind you, I'm surprised he even noticed I'd voted for him and didn't PM me anyway. And surely actually responding to the concerns of the people voting for him in the thread might have a greater beneficial impact for him than PMing a bunch of people who had decided to vote for someone else entirely. He wanted people to vote for Hinck, but wasn't concerned about getting people to unvote him? Still odd.

Scouty's reaction to Pelly! It's funny cos it's probably true. (Sorry Scouty, but it is hilarious.)

Nyx is dreaming of dragons and frogs and swirling chaos and orcs and magicians and ice cream. Specifically pistachio, with chocolate sprinkles. She feels herself moved, gently, and lifted, as a familiar voice speaks to her. A face swims into view, and a smile spreads to a grin. "Thothy!" She feels her strength return, although she doesn't feel quite so dangerous as she did before, and looks around. Atramor is out of breath, and it's clear he... they all have been fighting valiantly, and to the end in Dyric's case. A cold shard stabs her heart to see Poletad frozen as he is and she quickly turns this sadness to anger, and then focus. She gets to her feet with Thothwick's assistance. "Thothy, you are always a gentleman, thank you. Yours is one face I don't mind seeing when I wake up." Nyx thinks about what she just said, and quickly adds: "Not like that I mean, I mean, I know you have your.. companion, and uhm, anyway nice to see you again friend. Right then." She walks towards Atramor and gives him what she hopes is an encouraging smile, putting her hand on his shoulder, knowing the imminent risks. "So, you want a Holy Bomb at everyone. Done!" And she steps to the back row, and lobs her holy bomb at the assorted skellies with of all her deceptively considerable strength, before hunkering down and waiting for the onslaught of free hits and hoping every single one of them still makes it through.

Right. It was more than a recent post. For a day, apparently. We can deal with him tomorrow if he's still unhelpful. I would rather look more closely at someone who clearly doesn't read the day thread and has poor arguments as to why he shouldn't be lynched. And in case it isn't clear, I'm talking about you there, Flare.

And you just got odder. Have you not read the thread, or looked at the vote count properly at all? Well, anyway, here's why (I'm talking to you Flare in this quote), and I advocate you go and read my post in full, as I quoted you in it. I also commented about DLL getting your gender wrong, which you just brought up and said it belittled his argument, immediately before you accepted his apology and explanation. You are very, very odd and people seem to think you're not normally odd. I'm happy to keep my vote where it is.

Flare, am I invisible to you?

Well, that wasn't the reason I voted for him, which I kinda said at the time. You seem to be very upset with people voting for you (for lynch), which is kinda understandable even if you are being a bit ranty in your reply. Except you don't seem to have any issues with me, despite me being the first person to vote for you. I can happily live without arguments, but I find that unusual. We can live without retardedness too. Sorry, but we really can. That didn't sound much like an accusation, unless you're feeling particularly sensitive. Your original mention of it was: It just sounds odd to me that you think there are, or will be, multiple accusations of Hinck being scum. Hinckley already kinda responded to this, but why do you feel the need to 'close the gap'? Will 'closing the gap' bring out new information in some way? Given that we don't need to reach a majority, I doubt it, so then why do this? Eh? Has Flare had a sex change? We have the full first day to discuss and vote. The day won't end if we reach a majority; possibly if we're unanimous, but I can't see that happening any time soon. We can unvote as many times as we wish, if we wish, and votes (for those of us who still have them) are not locked in. I see no reason not to vote. Surely everyone's seen something they aren't completely happy with? Because if they haven't then they're either not paying attention, or deliberately ignoring it. So when people (like darkdragon, for instance) feel uneasy about voting "early" (after a night zero and 24 hours in day one), I fail to understand.

Unfortunately your comment doesn't add much to discussion, so please do not bump nearly two year old topics without having something constructive to say. Thank you.

It really is a great idea (so much so that, as you showed, TLG also make one), and clearly it's very much enjoyed already. Having something like this allows the sets to be played with together, and brings out the details and interactive elements.

A ridiculously long shot, and you left out yourself from that list, as you would also be best able to read a lot of people's town and scum tells from that game. You even appraised us about it afterwards. Such a long shot that you mention that list (without yourself) twice. I have to say this is the oddest post I've seen so far today (Big Cam's toileting issues notwithstanding). It's almost as if you're trying to preempt an accusation against Hinck, and you seem to be trying to say that Cornelius wants to be mayor because of his ego? This whole post reads scummy to me. Especially after: Where you don't actually say where or when you saw Hinck being accused, and why you think these accusations have been cleared up. Couple that with a bunch of people just 'deciding' to vote for you as mayor, and it all smells rather fishy. It's time to vote, right? Well maybe we should get the ball rolling. I vote: Flare (but not for mayor.) I think we can live without you, and it'll give us some insight into the other people who were happy for you to become the EB mafia tool mayor. I'm sure this will give us something to talk about. I believe the original idea was Scouty's, no?

Hell's teeth there's a lot to get through. Firstly, obviously, it sucks to be starting day one down two townies already. When I read the opening post, my initial thoughts were that it seemed to me most likely that the scum would have killed Captain Redblade, to avoid killing a strong player that might be on their (other) team, and that Cecilie was killed by the serial killer. We know there's a serial killer, so we don't have to speculate about the possibility of a third party. I'm willing to believe that we don't have a vigilante in this situation, as they often (but not always) do more harm than good for us, and we have enough to be going up against with recruiting and scum kills and psycho kills. I can imagine the scum not wanting to take out a valuable player on night zero, where they have nothing to base their opinion on as to whether that person may be on their team or not, and if they were going to take out a valuable player, then they do have a few to choose from, possibly even stronger players than Cecilie (with no offense to Cecilie intended). I also imagine that, with this in mind, it's possible they might switch up their strategy as they'll have a better idea of who's town or not after today. Having said that, it's possible the scum killers might kill the same target the scum recruiters are trying to recruit, for exactly the same reasons. These are all thoughts based on what I've seen so far, and just because I think these thoughts, that doesn't make them true. Similarly, just because people argue vehemently otherwise, that doesn't make them right, either. When def mentioned the teams of killers and recruiters, I believe he was just referring to the teams, so (and I really hope this is true) presumably the team that kills (called killers) only kills once per night, and the team that recruits (called recruiters) recruits once per night. There was mention somewhere from def about them having better or enhanced recruiting ability, but we also know the scum teams are unlikely to have investigative roles as they aren't able to confirm themselves to one another (I'm sure he said that somewhere). I doubt the other members of the killing and recruiting teams are just sitting at home twiddling their thumbs, so they probably have other night actions to aid them on their evil endeavours, but at least we know they can't just go and investigate each other and convert each other/ not kill each other. As to numbers, I guesstimate 6 +/- 1 scum total, divided (obviously) into two teams, for what it's worth. I'm uncomfortable with the willingness to just accept and vote for Flare as mayor; it isn't a major role, but it may prove crucial in latter days. We didn't have any discussion as to which type of person would be the best bet, and instead the votes just piled in. I don't really have any suggestions for another mayoral candidate, but I liked Rick's suggestion of piratedave, given that he's seemed quite townie in his actions. Having said that, if we're voting for a mayor we believe to be townie, then if they are townie they're a good kill/conversion target, so we're back to WIFOM (again). The puzzle: I got a piece, here it is, but I haven't been here all day, and I doubt it would have helped. We can hope all we want that Town got the puzzle right, but we have no way of knowing. There is always the possibility that whoever became ascetic for the night won't be targeted anyway. Who knows? We don't, but we'll all find out in the end. Could somebody please give Hinckley a hug? He's gone all argumentative and seems unwilling to listen to other people's points of view, despite wanting discussion. I agree with DarkDragon that we're not going to know who did what last night until we have a pattern to look at, and that will take time. We can speculate, yes, but that's all it is, speculation. Anyone too set in their ways looks like they know more than they're letting on.

Jimbee!

Thanks Flipz.

Jesus, you just had to mention blankets... ... and I just had to mention Jesus.

Well, it was very kind of the skellie hammah wielder to tidy up the front garden before bashing me on the head, I've been meaning to get someone in to do that. It's nice to see some of you again, and nice to meet the rest of you for the first time. I see Hinck's grown since I last saw him, and Cornelius looks the same as ever, but I'm most surprised to see that Zepher is just how I imagined him! What are the chances?! Oh, and don't mind the mildly grumpy look; I think someone put my face on back to front. It won't be long before somebody starts talking about sausage rolls. Except I just did. Sorry about that. Yes please!

If anyone in the Apothecary in Quest 53 can manage to pick up a couple of Meads for Nyx while they're there I'd be most grateful, and she'll obviously pay back the 20 gold. I'm sure some communication via Vipera from Nyx's currently unconscious brain will cover the continuity issues. Thanks.