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Thanks so much for your comment, for several reasons. For commenting at all, I was actually beginning to think that something was wrong with the topic, pictures not showing or something. - If had done something wrong on the forum (maybe still have)or that the MOC simply was too weird/bad/whatever. Maybe I have been flooding the forum with topics the last weeks. There will be a break from that for at least a month, maybe even longer. For classifying this as a non-MOC. Since this is still only a digital model, it is really just a (more or less finished) suggestion of what the final MOC could look like. At least that is how I see it. That said -she represents a lot of work, for fun - but still. This is also, what I read into your: "Thanks your great work". Concerning. Am I going to build her.(“moc-ed”) Yes! I think at some point during 2020. The plan is right now to do some digital designs of ships, see which ones are best, then build (maybe with suggested alterations) , and submit them for exhibition, possibly along with some of my old ships. For being a fellow history geek. “reading about piracy in the Mediterranean during 16-17th century…”
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I always look at these minifig-illusion-scale ships for details, and there are some real gems here. Nice shot with the two ships together. It looks very impressive.
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Sir Archibald and His Brave Men (Figbarf)
Anders T replied to Captain Braunsfeld's topic in LEGO Historic Themes
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Thanks, that was what I was aiming for, although some of them are quite small and I do think they could blend just fine in a castle or town environment. Yep, that was also somewhat surprising for me. Especially the galleys were successful in keeping the types in service. Even the dromon and the Italian style galley are not that different from each other, the latter being developed from the first. I was also quite fascinated about the fact that the Italian style galley was so fast that the development of artillery did not really have an impact before the 17th century, and then only marginally on fleets based in archipelagoes. Even though cogs replaced longships in medieval Scandinavian navies, the Viking ship design is still in use for smaller boats in Scandinavia.
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Thanks, I was going for a real smooth look. These ships had/have excellent handling very good handling characteristics.
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Thanks Thanks, Yep, its quite different when it moves out of the digital realm Thanks, It is try and error on a number of MOCs. It was actually quite interesting to observe, when she was displayed, how fellow MOCcers stood out by being focused on the hull rather than the flashy details. Thanks man, I did set the blaster for stun Thanks, Yep, as I said it was an oversight that it wasn't here a long time ago. He, he, and heavy too Thanks, the lower hull color is, as I have mentioned earlier a compromise. I think it worked out well on this one though. And I went all out with flashy gold on some of the details. Thanks, they all represent their own challenge. The hull and lines in design and the rigging in the building phase. 19700- It is a lot. Much of it is slopes and 1x1 plates connecting stuff, but it all adds up. Then again there is no big expensive pieces. I did have to use some fairly rare ones on the stern and the masts.
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Here you go. It is almost the same boat as I have used on HMS Ontario and HMS Surprise. There is a few alterations on the bow and stern, I trust you can figure them out. Thanks, In fact, I kept from doing a cog for a long time because it is such a simple ship, on the surface. I had to surround it from two sides with the Viking ships and the carrack before I finally dared to work with the details that would actually make the model work.
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Lately I have made some ships from the Middle Ages. I am sharing them here as they could fit nicely with castles, knights, catapults and armor. The Middle Ages is a broad term, but according to Wikipedia, it is the period 500-1500. So far I have made: A Dromon, The Skuldelev Ships, A Cog, A Caravel, A Carrack and A Galley. All ships are minifig scale or approx. 1:40. Some models can altered in to waterline models, ie. the bottom can be removed so that they can stand on a "water surface". They are digital for now, but that may change. Here I confine myself to a picture of each ship. Some of them have additional pictures. These are in the pirate forum, where each ship has its own topic and on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/131641614@N06/albums Dromon From Greek δρόμων, dromōn, "runner" was a galley and the most important warship of the Byzantine navy from the 5th to the 12th century. Length: 93 cm, Height: 43 cm, Width: 37 cm (with oars) Bricks: approx. 4350 Can be altered in to a waterline model. Skuldelev Ships 1-6 The Viking ships from Roskilde. Excavated in 1962. The largest model, Skuldelev 2, will have the following dimensions Length: 80 cm, Height: 40 cm, Width: 10.5 cm The smallest model, Skuldelev 6, will have the following dimensions Length: 29 cm, Height: 21.5 cm, Width: 7 cm Approx. 4900 bricks in all models combined. 2100 in Skuldelev 2, 1100 in Skuldelev 1 and 450-700 in each of the other ships. Skuldelev 1 A”large” cargo ship, Knarr, 1030 A. D. Skuldelev 2 (and 4) A warship, Skeid, 1042 A. D. Is so large that the excavation team initially thought it was two ships, hence 2 and 4 Skuldelev 3 A cargoship, Byrding, 1040 A. D. Skuldelev 5 A small warship, Snekkja, 1030 A. D. Skuldelev 6 A fishing boat or small cargo vessel, Ferje, 1030 A. D. Cog The cog is a ship type used from the 10th century to the 14th century. This model could represent a cog from from approx. 1270-1330. If anyone knows anything else, do tell. Length: 68 cm, Height: 75 cm, Width: 19 cm Bricks: approx. 4300 Can be altered to a waterline model. Caravel The caravel was developed in the 14th and 15th centuries. Shown here in both a lateen rigged and square-rigged version. With a length of 14 m (scaled), the model is roughly the same size as Niña (Santa Clara) and Pinta from the famous journey to Asia in 1492. Length: 40 cm, Height: 45 cm, Width: 10.5 cm Bricks: approx. 1300 (in one of them) Carrack Karrack, Caravela, Nau, Nao, Neef or Kraak., About. 1500 The ship type is a precursor to the galeon and builds on the cog, the holk / hulk and various Mediterranean ship types. When I researched this type of ship there were some very far-out versions of what it might look like. Maybe I will make some of them at some point, but here I have used different plans for Santa Maria and a lot of common sense. Length: 85 cm, Height: 75 cm, Width: 23 cm Bricks: approx. 6400 Can be altered to a waterline model. Galley This is a model of an Italian style galley. 14th century, 1571 or mid. 18th century depending on weight put on references or type. The main characteristics of the model are from La Capitana, a galley of Malta. The lines, armament, oars and overall arrangement follows the drawings of this ship. These are indexed in Architectura novalis mercatoria (published by Fredrik Henrik af Chapmann in 1768) as no.18 on plate LVIII Details, such as color, not provided by Chapmann, are from Real, the flagship of Don John of Austria in the Battle of Lepanto in 1571. The details from this Spanish Real compared to the French La Réale from 1694; however, this ship is not a main reference. Length: 166 cm, Height: 113 cm (with stand), Width: 82 cm (with oars) Bricks: approx. 16200 Can be altered to a waterline model.
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This is a model of an Italian style galley. 14th century, 1571 or mid. 18th century depending on weight on references or type. In the Mediterranean in medieval times, the galley was almost synonymous with a warship. These ships made up the principal warships of the major fleets in the area. Being high-speed vessels, they were also used to chase down pirates. The type had a late revival in the Baltic were it was used primarily in the conflicts between Russia and Sweden. It is in minifig-scale or 1:40’ish. The model will have the dimension Length: 166 cm, Height: 113 cm (with stand), Width: 82 cm (with oars) There is approx. 16200 bricks in the model. The galley, true galley or gallee sottili was developed during the 13th and 14th century and the design remained the essentially the same until it was phased out in the early 19th century. The main characteristics of the model are from La Capitana, a galley of Malta. The lines, armament, oars and overall arrangement follows the drawings of this ship. These are indexed in Architectura novalis mercatoria (published by Fredrik Henrik af Chapmann in 1768) as: no.18 on plate LVIII Details, such as color, not provided by Chapmann, are from Real, the flagship of Don John of Austria in the Battle of Lepanto in 1571. In 1971, to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the battle, a full size replica of La Real was built and displayed in the Barcelona Maritime Museum where it can be viewed today. This also gives an abundance of accurate picture material to work from. The details from this Spanish Real compared to the French La Réale from 1694; however, this ship is not a main reference. A sidenote on the names of the ships: “Capitana” was the term used for the largest and most prestigious ship of a squadron carrying its commander. “Real” or “Réale” just indicated these ships as being Royal, or as the main galley of the kingdom/fleet. This made me wonder: Did these ships have other more common names? -at least among the sailors. The doctrine of the galley was brutal. The ships would take position abreast and then get on the enemy as fast as possible to engage in melee combat. This largely dictates the design of the ship. Sleek with 60 oars and some 300 oarsmen, this is a thing built for speed. The main battery is at the bow, where the main battle would take place. This is also the only armament that is in the linedrawings. These guns were fixed and would only shoot once just before boarding. This may seem strange, but a galley would cover the effective distance of artillery pieces much faster than the reload time. I have placed the remaining guns, consisting of 2-pounders and pivot guns, along the side where I figured it made sense. A boat is starboard. This feature is not on the Linedrawings, but is on the other references as well as on several other galleys, so I figured it to be a galley-thing. The commander would have his place at the stern. In front of the commanders quarter is a deck space where additional soldiers, delivered by support ships, were organized.
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[MOC] The Tubinare, privateering catamaran...
Anders T replied to koalayummies's topic in Pirate MOCs
Very cool MOC For me it has some Post-apocalyptic or steampunk thing going on. This is mostly because of the kind of makeshift style of the hull. Actually a very clean build. -And the guns that look kind of “machiny” -
Thanks, while they sometimes lack the sophistication of later ships, I also find that there is a kind of beauty dictated by necessity in the early ships of sail. Ha, ha, and then you had to go there and pick them out one by one! Oh and why have no one told the designers of that game that Cogs distinctly only have one mast with a square-rigged single sail? Besides that love these games.
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General MOC-Discussion, WIP-Help, and Teaser Thread
Anders T replied to Kolonialbeamter's topic in LEGO Pirates
WIP of Chapmann no. 18 This is eventually going to be the Chapmann no. 18. La Capitana, a row galley from Malta. She is now at a stage where the model both presents new challenges, especially on the stern castle, and saves me because the design of the actual ship is sensible. She is also somewhat recognizable, therefore this teaser. The bricks you can see beside the actual hull are measuring guides To clarify. The naval architect Fredrik af Chapmann, published the treasure “Architectura Navalis Mercatoria” in 1768. The book consists of accurate linedrawings of ships from the age of sail. I have wanted to make some of the ships from Chapmann for quite some time. Made the initial measuring and research for this one about three years ago, and then put her on hold. At the time, she differed too much from anything I had done before. Now with a bunch of medieval ships under my belt I have confidence to take her on once again. As the source material provides the lines, there is no clear source given for the overall look. Here I will mainly draw inspiration from the larger Spanish galley “Real” the flagship of Don John of Austria in the Battle of Lepanto in 1571. As this is only inspiration, I will still consider her the Chapmann no. 18. -
Cog or Kogge A cog is a type of ship that first appeared in the 10th century, and was widely used from around the 12th century on. Eventually, around the 14th century, the cog reached its structural limits. This model is a somewhat generic version of this ship. However, some features narrows it down to being from around 1300, +-50 years. The ship type was a northern European brake from the sleek Viking ship. The need for spacious and relatively inexpensive ships led to the development of this trader workhorse. Fore and stern castles would be added for defense against pirates, or to enable use of these vessels as warships. It is in minifig-scale or 1:40’ish. The model will have the dimensions Length: 68 cm, Height: 75 cm (with stand), Width: 19 cm (Beam) There is approx. 4300 bricks in the model.
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Thanks man, I know it is not your dreamboat, but doesn’t it rather hit the spot as well. Thanks! Thanks. One of the reasons why I chose to build her back in 2011 (First take on the ship) was because of the abundance of material about her. This is mainly due to the Aubrey-Maturin Novels. After LW19 she was put in boxes. I will do an effort to get some better pictures if/when she is up for another event. Until then we will just have to make do with these. Thus the initial apology and link to better pictures. Yep I also took a whack at improving the pictures before, and decided to leave them as they were.
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Just browsed through the forum and could not find this anywhere. Think I just forgot to share it. Mentioned her some time ago in the General MOC-Discussion, WIP-Help, and Teaser Thread. If she is hiding somewhere in the forum, I do hope someone has the chops to remove this topic. Scale 1:40’ish L: 150 cm B: 26 cm H: 114 Bricks approx. 19300. Looking back at my earlier designs I found that my version of the HMS Surprise, just like the HMS Ontario, was somewhat wanting. This is a model of the HMS Surprise launched as the corvette Unité in 1794. In 1796, The Royal Navy conquered, refitted and renamed her. She later on chased pirates in the Caribbean for several years. The ship plays a central role in the Aubery-Maturin stories. This includes the movie from 2003 Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. The HMS Rose, which was later, renamed HMS Surprise, plays the “role” as HMS Surprise. Neat, but somewhat confusing. Being notoriously bad at taking photos of my creations there is some Renders below, these are also in the General MOC-Discussion, WIP-Help, and Teaser Thread. …but you need to look at the LDD file to get a view of the details of the creation. Find it at MOCPAGES http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/452403 She has been on display at LW Copenhagen 2019. A Swedish AFOL has taken some fine Pictures from the event on this link. Hope it is ok that I link to this https://www.flickr.com/photos/86394332@N03/47062421172/in/album-72157705321073761/ There are also some more photos including WIP at my Flickr page. https://www.flickr.com/photos/131641614@N06/with/46031790204/
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You are right to assume, that you cannot just build along as if it was a house. PARTS: A ship this size is quite heavy. First, I would recommend dividing it into parts. I usually divide my ships in a lower and upper hull. This means that the lower hull is all about strength and that the upper hull has a flat bottom. This is a great advantage when you work on the different details. On a ship of this length, I would also consider dividing the upper hull into two parts. (Aft and fore) LOWER HULL The lower hull needs to be just as strong, if not stronger, than if it was a prefab hull. The exact structure depends on how the orientation of the pieces that make up the hull shape is oriented. From what I can see you have (wisely) limited yourself to a mainly sideways orientation. I would recommend overlapping plates and a square grid-structure. You could use technic-connections, but have never used it on a lower hull. The bow and the stern present a special challenge. Here is bricks mounted in different orientations to achieve the changes from the general hull shape. UPPER HULL If you decide to leave the upper hull as one piece, you definitely need a technic core to take the moment. (bend and torque) I used a plate of technic beams on HMS Surprise and that worked very well. The bow needs to be especially strong at the points supporting the bowsprit. I usually make a stern that just holds together. It needs to be a splash of intricate designs and it only really has to hold itself. The masts needs to have their base inside the hull. This is to counter the moment. (bend and torque) MASTS AND RIGGING. Be sure that your masts have sticks or technic axels running through most (all) of the structure. Brick-connections won’t cut it. Have your rigging planned before attempting to mount the masts. The main rigging parts is what holds your masts sturdy. AN EXAMPLE On this LDD-file you can see what I consider as one of my more sturdy ship-models. Yep; tooting my own horn! http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/440274 It is an example of the structure of the lower hull as described. I did not have the discipline to stick to one orientation of the lower hull, so you can probably do without most of the mess that I made, especially on the bow and stern. It is also an example of an upper hull. This is only 90 studs long and therefore without a technic core. …And this was another wall of text from Anders T
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Thanks. You are right most of it could be different. It could be more rounded, higher on the castles… The white bottom could be black. I actually think about doing that on my next design. The brown could also be black or even a dark blue or red. The tanned could be black, darker brown and so on. ... and then I appreciate your conlusion that I was right with my choises. Thanks. I guess you have noticed that I used the pumps that you borrowed from “Imperial Shipyards” Thanks man. I guess that the last few weeks have been quite productive. There is even one more ship on the slipway.
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It all depends on the rest of the ship.
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Thanks. I have to remember to post some pictures when I get around to building it. Thanks must be quite funny to see one of your national treasures made by some random foreigner. Hope I am not embarrassingly far away from how it should be.
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The Carrack, Caravela, Nau, Nao, Neef or Kraak. The ship type was all the rage in the 15th century. It was important for me that it seemed like a reasonable evolvement of the cog, and as a precursor for the galleon, being closer to the latter. Trying to avoid the most out there designs of this type; I have mainly used different plans for the Santa Maria and a great deal of sense. It is in minifig-scale or 1:40’ish. The model will have the dimensions Length: 85 cm, Height: 75 cm (with stand), Width: 23 cm (Beam) There is approx. 6400 bricks in the model.
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As a first ship, this is quite nice. You have a lot going on here: Hull, with a sideways “snot” idea as well as some twisted brick action going on. Custom guns, to fit the size of your ship. Brickbuilt mast, with sails and rigging. Very cool indeed.
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Thanks Nice that you notice the difference between the stern and bow, as the techniques used are not at all the same.
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Caravel 15th century Not likely to be a pirate ship, but the European overseas empires would not have existed without this ship, and therefore no Caribbean pirates. The caravel was a small, highly maneuverable ship developed in the 15th century by the Portuguese to explore along the West African coast and into the Atlantic Ocean. The lateen sails gave it speed and the capacity for sailing windward (beating). Caravels were used by the Portuguese and Castilians (Spain) for the oceanic exploration voyages during the 15th and 16th centuries. With a length of almost 14 m (scaled) the design resembles caravels of the same size as Niña(Santa Clara) and Pinta from the 1492 quest for Asia. It is in minifig-scale or 1:40’ish. The model will have the dimensions Length: 40 cm, Height: 45 cm (with stand), Width: 10,5 cm (Beam) There is approx. 1300 bricks in the model. In this digital rendering, I have shown both a lateen rigged and square-rigged version.
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Thanks, historical and scale accuracy is indeed some of the goals I have in designing ship models such as this one. Reading your comment, I realize that I omitted some information that I usually give at the start of a topic. Therefore, here comes a somewhat late introduction. This model resembles a Byzantine Dromon. It is in minifig-scale or 1:40’ish. The model will have the dimension Length: 93 cm, Height: 43 cm (with stand), Width: 37 cm (with oars) There is approx. 4350 bricks in the model. For reference, I have used several models, paintings, drawings and descriptions of the type.
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On the initial question regarding the #18653 bow. -Why not sculpt it in other bricks- From what I see, the section is something like seen on the right. On the left, I made a similar shape using tiles, slopes, plates and a #87087 brick (the red one). Though the shape is not as smooth it gives you more flexibility in terms of color.