mostlytechnic

My bad, I assumed (and you know what assuming does...) that unkillable = pass on the ability. Most of the time I've seen unkillable roles it's meant that, but you're right, it doesn't have to.

What then have we been doing for all day and the first part of tonight? What reason would you possibly have for waiting to vote? We can always change if something comes up (investigator results, people dropping dead, etc), but why wait and increase the risk of non-lynching? So then Dexter must have been their blocker. At least we got a scum ability, not just a peon with our first successful lynch. As for investigator, then either our original investigator is still alive (why haven't you said ANYTHING?????) or was one of Colin's kills or a scum kill, cause someone getting lynched would have said something even if their ability was getting passed on. Heck that'd be a great opportunity - you could say everything you knew and then the scum would have to start from scratch trying to figure out who the investigator was (or not state that your ability was getting passed on, and then they'd think the investigator was dead and not worry about that anymore). So the investigator must have died unexpectedly. Even so, why hasn't the new investigator said anything? If your ability really does pass on, then speak up since even if you die we don't lose the role! We can't afford any more mistakes. Are you really going down that useless path again? And I'll throw in, since no reason to wait: Vote: Terrance Knox (Trumpetking)

Terrance, you keep saying Colin's the SK and not vig. Why? Make a logical case. Here's my reasoning why that's not accurate. If he's SK, why skip the first opportunity he had to kill? A SK would get someone every opportunity they have since it's how they win. His targets have been wrong, sure, but our voting hasn't been much better! So not sure you can criticize him on that basis. I ask for one reason only. If he's SK, we need to kill him. If he's vig, we need to keep him around as long as we can since we need to kill off the scum!

You're forgetting that the list was never stated between Terrance and the hippie! The list was only stated in thread, so we have no idea whether the hippie was including dex or not. The only thing we know is that Terrance left Dex off when posting the answer in thread - either by accident OR ON PURPOSE to shield his fellow scummo. Thanks for pointing out the holes in my thinking - I was posting quickly before heading to church (yes, even we Malones go to church, gotta cover our bases you know!) and didn't have time to fully contemplate. So yeah, I'm confident now that Colin is the vig. So that means the town is now myself, Colin, Kristina, and hopefully another. I think Terrance's list is a pile of crap cause he's scum. It was an effective gambit, certainly got everyone distracted for a long time, but it's time to move past it. So even though I just posted something about the list a second ago, I think it's worthless the more I think about it.

Remembered something from earlier, right after Bernie died digging for weiners... Colin made a very false statement. Go read rule #1 again there killer - scum have to outnumber ALL OTHER players. So we could be at 4 scum, 1 neutral of some sort, and 3 town left. If that's the case, I'd suggest the town is Kristina, myself, and Colin the vig. I still can't see a logical way he's a SK unless we just got really lucky and blocked him the first night. But that doesn't fit with Terrance's list (whether Dex was the one scum or not, I still can't see more than 1 town on his list if we only have 3 town left) so I personally think we're facing 3 scum left, not 4. Wait, let me think about this a minute. Throwing something out there... what if Colin is scum? He could still predict his kills, would explain his lie that I called out above, and then the town could be down to say myself, Kristina, and either Peter or Ceb. Still requires Dex to not have been counted, but at least I can make it work. I don't know, just throwing stuff out. If you see a big hole in my logic point it out. I gotta run some errands, but we've got lots of time to figure out the next move. Might be our last though, so gotta make it count!

Glad you clarified, since I assumed you were trying to make the most unsubtle claim without actually claiming ever, but... too bad Cebastian there sorta beat me to making my point, but whatever. I don't get how you can forget how to act townie? It's NOT AN ACT! Ya just tell the truth and look for scum. Granted, maybe I just don't know what it's like to play for the other side (check MY history on that one...) but I fail to see how having been bad in past lives makes it harder to be good in this one.

hey, I see what you did there....

Loved the scene, I have that same hot dog stand sitting on my desk right now. Though mine has plain umbrella, not the nice stripey one :(

No, pay attention. I was saying that if anything, your switch makes me MORE CONFIDENT that Dex was scum and that you are too. I was saying YOU are certain about his scumminess. I *think* he was scum, that's why I voted for him. Oh, and your accusation that my reaction means I'm scum is way off too. i wasn't even around to change my vote if I'd wanted to. Made NO difference to me that you changed except that it pinged you as scum to me. I'm sure one of the others who's been watching who's online and reading can verify that I wasn't around when you changed...

Not trying to defend Candy here (not at all convinced she's town yet myself), just looking for truth. How can you say FOR SURE that the vig would have to be the one killed off? How could the vig OR a hypothetical SK know town/scum enough to base their identity on who they killed off? Heck, by your logic, Colin CAN'T be the vig!

I can't see why the SK would not kill night 1 (as colin said to defend himself). So I can't buy that our vig was killed off.

This, I'll give you credit for a good argument. I can't see a way now to justify the idea that you're the SK and the vig was killed early like someone else suggested. Oh yeah, it was YOU terrance that made that suggestion. More importantly, we now don't know what to think from your list with 1 scum. Since the list was never stated between you and the hippie, how do we know you both were thinking of the same names? It was posted earlier that the summary that was made had dex listed in one place and not listed in another. So... if we assume here that the hippie was paying attention and got the list of names who suspected you right, then we need to include Dex on that list. So... if we were right in lynching him, then we've got confirmation that the others on the list are town. But that's only if we assume the hippie used the right list! Argh! If someone earns another question, we almost need the new question to be clarification on the first question!

Well, let's have Terrance settle this. Terrance, when the hippie replied to your question, did he provide the list of people and said one of them is a scum, or did he simply say 1 scum and no list was ever stated between you and him? If no list was ever stated, then that makes a difference. And all of it has to wait for too much analysis until we know for certain what Dex's allegiance was... Cebastian there seems to be assuming that we voted right, but that's still an assumption and not certain

I agree on taking out the Cap. Good choice Colon. More important though is the rest of this post... as much as I appreciate having the vote off of me, let me translate that voting logic for everyone. "Since it's obvious my scum-buddy Dex is going down, I'll switch over to that bandwagon at the last minute so I can say I voted for him when he comes up scummy tomorrow. I tried to get a vote going on a non-scummo but failed, so now I'll try to hide my scumminess with by voting off a fellow scum." Sorry there Pen, but it's been done too many times and you weren't at ALL subtle about it. Ping!

I was about to go "look at this scum!" on you for wanting the investigator outed, but I rethought the math and I think you're right. It's time, and if we're wrong on today's lynch then we're just about screwed. I'm gonna assume though that the investigator can't ACTUALLY help much today though (doesn't have a result on Dex [or has one that confirms D as scum, but is staying quiet since he's got enough votes on him anyway] and hasn't found any scum) so if there's nothing actually immediately helpful I can see why he'd stay quiet... I'd still rather know though. Even just knowing a couple proven townies could help with all of today's debating on others. If we KNOW that certain people are legit, then it gives their side more weight.

So say something.

Even though it's looking like I'm safe today and Dex is going bye-bye, care to actually give any REASON to your vote on me? I'd be glad to try to defend myself, but (especially since I just took over this position) I need something to actually respond to. What makes me seem scummier than dexter to you?

Finally have some time to look at things. It'll take a little while, but I've got stuff to say. I agree that this is the way to be thinking. Look where the odds are best! Although why did you "not count" Dexter there? Just cause things were still waiting for explanation as to whether dex was in the "list" or not? I think we include him in this second list and figure that we've got 3 or 4 scum in a list of 7 names (can't be 6 scum or the game would be over, and 1 is in Terrance's list, so that leaves 3 or 4 in this group). And assuming Terrance and Colin are town based on what all's happened and been claimed, that means there's 3 or 4 scum in 5 names. I can't fathom why Cap'n's been giving you grief over this! Thanks, but you're wrong :) I do at least have role PMs and stuff to know who I am. And I may not be the sluttiest person here, but I'm glad you've got a dick Oh wait, you said you ARE one? Well, that's a different story. But I deal with lots of them all the time, so I can take it. Wait, that came out wrong I think.... Of course that was fluff! It's my "day 1" post obviously. I showed up and saw that I had a PM right before I ususally go to bed, so I jumped in to say hi before getting sleep (since there was plenty of hours left to get caught up, wasn't worth literally loosing sleep over). Now that I'm awake, I'll start contributing. Now, I'm going to say Vote: Dexter Fairbanks (def) Why? well, first off blatantly to save myself. Looks like I've got some suspicions (maybe at least partially due to the previous me needing to leave and so not acting like herself?) But since suspicion seem to be falling on Dex or me, well, of course I'll vote for him since I know I'm town. Second, I pinged on Dex getting left out of a bunch of the list discussions. Whether he was scum or not got overwhelmed by whether he'd listed Terrance as a suspicion and who made the list and on and on. I'm also pinging that he didn't seem to address any of the lists himself - I think he was glad the focus was on why he was left off and not whether he was scummy! And finally, even with votes and mountains of suspicion, his only response since voting opened was "woe is me and woe is town, I'm vanilla town and you're making a mistake." What a non-defense! Didn't address ANY of the reasons he's being voted for. Not a single thing. Because you HAVE no defense?

Well, well, well... I'm finally here. Apparently Peter lost his secretary named Priscilla and then hired me, since I'm her twin. Even have the same name, which was REALLY confusing as kids. So I've got some catching up to do. However, since us secretaries have to actually do WORK during the day, I'm exhausted. Read some of the action but now I've gotta catch a catnap. Be back in a while to actually help find those dang Ferraris that we just can't seem to catch. Good thing there's still 48 hours left before someone is lynched. Time enough for me to help out, hopefully more than the other Priscilla did since I see some of you think she/I am scummy.

I'm here, trying to get caught up (had been paying attention regularly until about a day ago.... and then I get a PM to join in...)

I'll throw in as a regular or reserve, whatever you need (I think I counted 16 already signed up, so reserve is fine) 1. What is your mafia experience here on EB? How about other sites? Aperture, Mafia mafia, Silver City, CMF - nothing elsewhere 2. What do you think of your performance in EB Mafia so far? What are your strengths and weakness? What do you want to improve? I think I've been decent - try to be very active (heck, that got me suspected as scum in CMF when I was slightly less active...). Might be too trusting sometimes (silver city). 3. What do you think of the no-PM rule? Like it - it's been a weak-ish area for me so it'd be interesting to play a game without that distraction and focus more on the day/night discussion.

It'd be fun, but no way can I handle the time right now. Someday though...

Thanks - and I'm not really irked by my streak of vanilla town. Still lots of fun. And if I was scum or PR, I'd probably do something dumb and get lynched day 1 :) And a big thanks to the town PR block that cleared me early in this game and so I was able to get more involved in the "inner sanctum" and help.

No feedback for me? Actually, just read through the scum board. Interesting how much attention I got from them on day 1, not for my "no lynch" idea, but for being less active. I used to have a job that allowed for, um, significant downtime to do whatever I wanted :) Hence, lots of time to put into games (aperture especially, but mafia mafia too). Silver City and here, well, got a new job that I have to actually do some work during the day so I don't have as much ability to hang out on EB all day. Now if only I could play a game as something other than vanilla town... when's the next game happening???

For the record, yes, I meant the butcher made me think SK. It started as something I said as a joke in our PM discussions, but then I said it in thread too and didn't mean anything by it. I knew there was no SK and tried to be clear about that, but apparently I even had the host thinking I was messed up! Just curious, what would anyone else have done in Kristel's place? How do you defend yourself as scum (or legitimately if you really ARE vanilla town) when being vaguely accused like that? I know the thinking of the town block was that it didn't matter - we figured there was only 1-2 scum left, so we were willing to risk killing off a town. At that point the lynch was just another investigation method, not really any different than investigator to us. And I was willing to take risks - asking for the CMF info, being a spokesman for PRs, etc - since I was vanilla townie. I think it was Adam that challenged my CMF question as a rule violation. I can see where he was coming from - since it was using private info from the role PMs - but I was strictly asking for facts. Turned out it worked great since FDY went alien on us! And he actually did tell me alien avenger, not just alien. It was such as scummy fig that I assumed he wasn't lying and didn't realize the implications of his CMF identity :)