Silver City Mafia: Day 1 - Once Upon a Time in the West

[XimenaPaulina]

I tried to backread remember everything Esther said so far, and I really find it odd for a townie to have such a strong accusatory vendetta this early in the game - with not one, not two, but even up to four primary suspects on her scum list! Heck I myself am having a hard time deciding on one person who I find the most suspicious, and yet Esther seems to have quite a solid gameplan this early. While this type of behavior isn't exactly wrong, it just rubs me the wrong way and I see her wall-of-text accusations as a well-planned pre-fabricated ploy usually done by scum to make themselves look active and helpful. On these grounds alone, it usually is enough for me to vote for someone, but thinking on the flipside, if Esther is scum, would her scum teammates really allow her to flail this wildly on the first day? This line-of-thought is what makes me uncomfortable voting for Esther. I would like to see her answer the accusations against her, but it seems she ignored the first wave of questions on her and is still hell bent on accusing others.

[Esurient]

I don't think you guys get what I am doing, maybe the guys that I accuse are really scum. Maybe you guys need to learn how to read and stop asking to be spoon fed. Scum is not going to present themselves to you and say, "lynch me, I am scum". I don't know where the hell the rest of the Town has gone, if Town wants to rely on night actions to play the game. So be it. Day 1 is an ideal day for real scum hunting and behavioural analysis. After that, the days will revolve around night actions and will get complicated. I am not here to socialise and get into people's good books. I am here to scum hunt and play hard. If I call you out for something I feel suspicious, and if you are Town, cooperate. And if you are Scum, feel free to do whatever you like, ignore or accuse back. I have done what I am able to do alone. As for my own standards, if the majority wants me gone, I will claim. Then I will leave it to the rest to decide if my claim is legit.

I have already moved on from the whole Drake reduced font thing. He said he's roleplaying, and that's fair enough and it is in the confirmation thread. End of story. Move on. Did you see me hounding Drake over that issue? No. So drop the whole, "Esther did not explain herself well enough" facade, unless you are scum of course, because there is nothing to defend about. There is nothing to defend over a clarification that I wanted to make with Drake. Illogical jumps in logic you might say? Yes, they are illogical, but that does not equate to scummy behaviour. It is scummy if I continue to pursue Drake over roleplaying even though he has made it clear himself. I am now over Drake because of other issues, and I will raise them up later.

I am town and taking everything in with the intention of trying to identify who the scum are.

I don't have a clue who to vote for at this stage. I've already said how I feel about Sheridan's claim. I'm not ready to lynch her over it yet.

I'll ask a question when I think it's appropriate. Like this one:

Esther, why not claim now if you have a good reason not to be lynched?

I will only claim with 13 votes (that is the number when I am sure I am getting lynched).

And thanks for coming out after I called you out for lurking. Really helpful.

The Amazing Carletta Emilia Benita Cecilia Maria Roberta Consuela Rosalina Puerta applauds you for outlining your suspicions so concisely, do not mistake her. She simply believes you're doing so only to dissuade attention to yourself because of your extremely foolish accusations of Drake. If you have better reasoning for his being suspicious, please do share. At the moment, she simply thinks you're pointing fingers anywhere that's not at yourself, rather than trying to explain your reasons for thinking Drake is trying to snoop for power roles.

The Amazing Carletta simply doesn't see any better choices right now. The back-and-forth of Caleb and Sheridan is noteworthy, she supposes, but thinks they're simply two townies trying to find the best ways to keep scum talking. Michael I give the benefit of the doubt, he's new to this sort of experience and is simply acting like a caring father should...Tristan I agree has been acting strangely, and I am starting to think he's only trying to jump on the bandwagon early. My eye is close on him, but I'm not prepared to lynch him over it, I have known him to be overexcited in the past.

The Amazing Carletta doesn't understand what you mean by clarifying any doubts. If you mean where you clarified why you think Drake's comment was suspicious, well, just look what you drew from it.

You've come to the conclusion that based on that statement, he's trying to get power roles to claim to him. Take a moment to think about it. Is that not just a tad far-fetched?

So I am reading that you aren't serious in playing this game, drawing conclusions based on meta? Roleplaying only makes the game interesting, it should not overwrite the need to analyse behaviour and scum hunt. If you think Tristan is suspicious, why aren't you pursuing him? and find out if he's worth voting for? Sitting around and not doing anything won't help in your read on Tristan.

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to buddy up to Sheridan by suggesting a lynch on her? What logic are you using? As for the lynch suggestion, it's day one, and I was just tossing around ideas. We don't usually have something that's worth discussing so much so early in these games, so I was encouraging discussion within the town, to gather reactions. I think Sheridan is town, so why would I really want to lynch her if I had already said I thought she was town?

And my reads weren't back and forth. At first, I was just saying what was on my head, but after thinking things trough, that would be a dumb move to make as scum.

As for accusing you, your logic makes no sense. You accused Drake, I believe, for some roleplaying he did in the Confirmation thread. Not asked for clarification, but your wording implied an accusation. I, for one, haven't been neutral in any of the topics discussed today. In fact, I believe I've been rather obvious on which side I'm on in today's discussions. It seems you are the one trying to find reasons to make me look scummy. It's almost as if your accusations are OMFGUS-based.

Noe, seeing that Carletta has made an entry while I am typing this, it seems like you were sort of asking for clarification, but you jumped to such a conclusion that it seemed like an accusation. I guess I can give you that, but your response to this is unsettling to me.

*Now

C'mon Tristan, if you are town, show us all what you have got so far with reactions to Sheridan's claim. Who are you suspicious of? What are your reads?

I didn't think of the possibility of there being a role cop. We don't even know if there is one still. However, it's always an option. I didn't have to bring it up and it still could have been an option. That doesn't mean I have to participate in something I mentioned. It was just an idea that I thought could be brought up so we could discuss. That's all. I wasn't really trying to form a lynch on her, I wanted to hear the reactions of others.

I think it is time for us to read your analysis of "reactions of others".

Wow, massive wall of text there, but I'm not sure any of it is worth much. Seems overall to be much yammering about tiny nothings. Or even yammering wrongly. For example, you say I hint at lynching Sherri, but the quote YOU BOLDED OF MINE says no such thing. In fact, I said "It's not hugely likely for such claims to be tested via death" because I don't think she's getting lynched today and I don't think she should be. The other statement of mine that you quoted was even more clear - "there's plenty of times when a lynch to determine allegiance is a perfectly legit way to go. I don't think so here" I've said my opinion of her repeatedly, but since you asked, again, I rate her about 51% town because I'm going on nothing but the fact that scapegoat claims are usually legit. So that's a townread, but not nearly solid enough to do much on yet.

I'm pretty interested myself - Esther's softclaim that she WILL claim later seems like she's just hoping we'll go away. If it's a legit claim, I'd think she'd have kept quiet about it, defended herself, and then ONLY WHEN A LYNCH WAS IMMINENT (ie had a strong lead in the votes, or a slight lead with <12 hours left) made a flat out claim. As it is, her claim that she's going to claim reads like flailing scum to me. I could be wrong, it's not a strong read, but it does reinforce my gut. So for now, I'll go with it and say

Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)

I'm not yet strongly confident, but it IS day 1 and there's normally not much to go on. Please, Esther, if you ARE town, defend yourself (and ideally without claiming since you don't have any way to prove your role yet). If you're scum, keep flailing :)

Do you even know what you are doing? You are supposed to vote for the one you felt is the most scummy. And you voted for me (fair enough), but you followed on saying I might be Town? If you think I have a half chance (or little chance) of being Town, why do you still cast your vote on Town? Unless you are scum of course.

Well, quite a lot has happened while I've been attending to paperwork today. Wait, what do I mean by paperwork? Oh goodness, that could be sinister secret things that I accidentally typed just now!

Anyway, folks, I see a lot of talking. A few of you, well I've seen you around town before and let me tell you, you are acting a bit strange today. Now I'm not going to say who all I suspect because, let's face it, we can only catch one person a day and hope they are the right one. I don't want the others trying to stop doing what they are doing that makes me suspect them.

Number one on my list is <looking around at everyone suspiciously> Esther.

Yes, Esther. The pretty lady with the plain shirt.

You may be wanting to ask "But, why, Drake?"

Let me tell you why.

First time she spoke, Esther was already accusing folks. Yesterday she never said hello to us, just showed up, right in the middle of the day (not too suspicious by itself, but still worth noting). Even when she wasn't being really accused of anything, she was overly defensive with lots of quoting. Has some sort of list of people already who she thinks is good or bad...this soon, a list..really? We have nothing to go on here, nobody should have any sort of solid list or even a 50/50 at this point, that is nobody except those who do know and who need to cast doubt on others.

Vote:Esther Thompson (Esurient)

If those are the only reasons you are voting for me, then you are not playing the game. Yes I have a list and I am open about it. Criticise it, slam it. Discuss it. Let's clear people on the get go. You criticised me for having a list (fair enough). Well, guess what you have a list yourself! And you are all secretive about it! That's anti town behaviour. Should you vote yourself then? Since you said nobody should have any sort of list except those who know and who need to cast doubt on others? Contradictory... Hello scum

I don't like how Kimberley is using the defence of I didn't know what to say or I didn't have anything to add. As a townie, you always have to add something, be it a brief agreement with a post or Sheridans claim, or disagreeing with a post or answering a question. However, I'm not quite sure whether to read quiet townie or scum on you.

But I also see the points made against Esther. I echo Damien's points, even if you survive the lynch, you will die or be blocked, because the Scum will know that you have a PR. That is all if you are town of course. But I read it as a scum flail, extremely similar to some of the work I had done in Yakuza, trying desperately to move the lynch onto someone else.

Therefore, I Vote:Esther Thompson (Esurient)

If you are voting for me on the basis of meta, think again. You are playing it wrong.

But you have made some good points about Kimberly. Lurking and not contributing to discussion is anti-town behaviour.

I tried to backread remember everything Esther said so far, and I really find it odd for a townie to have such a strong accusatory vendetta this early in the game - with not one, not two, but even up to four primary suspects on her scum list! Heck I myself am having a hard time deciding on one person who I find the most suspicious, and yet Esther seems to have quite a solid gameplan this early. While this type of behavior isn't exactly wrong, it just rubs me the wrong way and I see her wall-of-text accusations as a well-planned pre-fabricated ploy usually done by scum to make themselves look active and helpful. On these grounds alone, it usually is enough for me to vote for someone, but thinking on the flipside, if Esther is scum, would her scum teammates really allow her to flail this wildly on the first day? This line-of-thought is what makes me uncomfortable voting for Esther. I would like to see her answer the accusations against her, but it seems she ignored the first wave of questions on her and is still hell bent on accusing others.

Just name 1 person other than me that you find suspicious. Then pursue him/her. How is that hard? Are you waiting for something to happen?

Heck. People ask me how I know they are scum? Frankly speaking, I don't know. If they are really Town, they should step up and start contributing, list suspicions and pursue them (Only Carletta tried to do something about Tristan, but seemed to give up half way). Then when the NA starts coming in, observe any changes in behaviour. Personally, I would like to clear them asap. If Town wants to give me a hand, by all means. But there is so much I can do alone. Why am I saying all this? Am I in mafia school?

[mostlytechnic]

have the common sense to realize that claiming you'll claim is practically the same as claiming! It doesn't matter to the scum whether you're an investigator or a blocker or a lover, they want you dead. Unless you're the revenant, your job is to lay low until you've done something useful. As it is, objectively speaking, you haven't really done anything particularly useful yet, and already you've painted a Smith and Wesson target on your back. That is of course if you're even telling the truth that you're a Town PR, which it's just as possible you aren't. I'm going out on a limb and thinking that if you had a team of scum backing you, you wouldn't come off nearly this confused and flaily, but even there I have my doubts. If you are a PR, and you don't lynch yourself, I wish you luck tonight.

Frankly, this is the Esther's best defense yet, and it didn't come from her! Even if you are telling the truth, esther, that you have a claim to make, there was no reason to wave it around yet. In the end though, it might work to get some town votes off of you since I'd expect after you said that for scum to pile on (and yes, i realized that I voted for you after you weakly claimed - that is a slightly scummy thing to do, but I'm not scum and I suspect you are, therefore, I still placed the vote)

But I also see the points made against Esther. I echo Damien's points, even if you survive the lynch, you will die or be blocked, because the Scum will know that you have a PR. That is all if you are town of course. But I read it as a scum flail, extremely similar to some of the work I had done in Yakuza, trying desperately to move the lynch onto someone else.

And this is the other possibility to explain your actions, Esther. Sadly, we're already seemingly into a "scum or dumb" scenario. At this point I think it's flailing scum.

Do you even know what you are doing? You are supposed to vote for the one you felt is the most scummy. And you voted for me (fair enough), but you followed on saying I might be Town? If you think I have a half chance (or little chance) of being Town, why do you still cast your vote on Town? Unless you are scum of course.

But you have made some good points about Kimberly. Lurking and not contributing to discussion is anti-town behaviour.

Just name 1 person other than me that you find suspicious. Then pursue him/her. How is that hard? Are you waiting for something to happen?

Well, I don't think you have half a chance of being town or I wouldn't have voted for you. I think you've got about 45% chance of being town, 55% chance of scum. It's day 1, and that's the highest scum rating of anyone here in my opinion. So, my vote's on you. I left if open that if you can change my mind and make yourself at least half chance of town, sure, I'll change my vote. But my job as town is to vote of scum and right now you're the highest on my list.

Others - yep, Kimberly there is pinging for silence. Zachary for his strong lynch vote against Sheridan. Slight pings on drake and Boris for voting Esther AFTER the softclaim. (yes, I know I did too and that I think she's scummy. By slight ping I mean that if she's lynched and comes up town, I'll remember those two for jumping on. If she comes up scum, I'll remember those two for voting rightly. So it's more of a note than a scum/town ping I guess)

But at this point, Esther is still the highest on my scumdar so she's still getting my vote. But there's still many hours left in the day.

[Kristel]

I don't like how Kimberley is using the defence of I didn't know what to say or I didn't have anything to add. As a townie, you always have to add something, be it a brief agreement with a post or Sheridans claim, or disagreeing with a post or answering a question. However, I'm not quite sure whether to read quiet townie or scum on you.

I would appreciate you rereading my posts (all of them), not just the two that conveniently allow you to cast suspicion my way. I'm not going to throw in a post just for the sake of posting, and I'm not going to post unless I have something to add. There's enough Day 1 filler posts to wade through as it is.

I'll vote Sheridan Thompson(Scubacarrot).You should be lynched or night killed for the possibility that it is to easy for you if you are an expendable mafia goon to fakeclaim miller and by doing this, making inroads and leading the lynch towards innocent townies

This vote drew my attention. Not because of the reason for the vote, because I actually agree with some of the logic, and I can see how scum could benefit from this claim. Rather, it's because of the lack of analysis of the the possible options you set out earlier:

THe fact that you roleclaim so early in the game makes it seem like your'e scum. But it's also a very unusual thing to do. There are four possibilities.

• You're telling the truth and reassuring the town should you be investigated and turn out as town.
  
• Your'e scum and are tricking the town so you won't be investigated
  
• Your'e not the town scapegoat and infact another town role
  
• You're a third party with your own win condition that you're trying to set up.
  

You responded to someone who questioned the likelihood of item 4 in your list. However, you have not told us why you have ruled out the other possibilities. As a townie, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch her just yet. Your willingness to vote for her already (notwithstanding the doubts we may have) makes me uncomfortable.

Day 1 is an ideal day for real scum hunting and behavioural analysis. After that, the days will revolve around night actions and will get complicated.

Night actions give information that we can use to start clearing people and testing claims. I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that Day 1 is the best Day for scum hunting? It is full of filler posts, role-playing and wild accusations.

I am confused as all buggery as to who to vote for (although you're looking like a good option at the moment), yet you seem quite confident in your accusations. Only scum can vote with any confidence on Day 1.

I will only claim with 13 votes (that is the number when I am sure I am getting lynched).

You've already said that. The question I have is why soft claim at all when you were only at 3 votes, with the next person at 2 votes? There was (and still is) still lots of time in the day for responding to accusations and defending yourself. Making that claim so early on does not make sense.

If you're town and have a PR, you should be holding on to that information for as long as possible. We don't want any of the town PRs revealed unless absolutely necessary. There was no reason for you soft claiming when you did. At this stage, the only ones you've helped is the scum by revealing you have a PR.

Esther makes this long winded post, but says nothing really interesting except for this bit:

I will claim once the vote reaches 50% +1.

Too easy for a Day 1. Thanks Sheridan

And the bit you decide to focus on is me asking her about it?

Prying for info are we!? Why are you so eager for Esther to claim?

I think my response above addresses this. I don't want any town PRs to be revealed.

What I don't understand is why you focus on me calling her on her soft claim? I see this as you trying divert attention away from Esther.

[Captain Nemo]

I don't know where I want to place my vote on this one. I have two big scum suspects, first being Esther for all the recent talks and that "claim" thing is just not going over well with me; and my second being Michael Thompson, since I feel he's got something to hide for only roleplaying and supporting his family members without reasoning behind it. Michael also has said almost nothing this first day, and while others have also said little, his comments are very short and lack and actual substance other then roleplaying--most importantly they also lack the reasons for defending his wife and daughter, other then "their family & I love them".

However, with all the things going on, and the claim which seems like it's just a ruse to switch votes, at this point my vote is going to have to go to:

Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)

On a related note, am I the only one who sees that this whole Thompson family has got something going on? Esther is high scum right now, Sheridan is a possible scapegoat, and Michael is...quiet?

[Peanuts]

As promised.

Boris

I sort of get the impression that you had a scum read on Sheridan, has that changed for you now?

Molly

Hints at the possibility of lynching Sheridan to reveal her allegiance, when Molly claimed not to have any read on Sheridan, then back peddled to say Sheridan's claim is legit. I ask you again Molly, what is your read on Sheridan now?

Tristan

TrumpetKing, on 24 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

I am thinking this through. I'm finding your claim a little hard to believe. It just seems a little too convenient. For now, though, I'll choose to believe you. Your recent explanation seems to show your thought process a bit better, to me, and I feel like you're more likely to be telling the truth the more I look at it. That doesn't mean I won't be watching out for you, though. I've got my eyes on you.

TrumpetKing, on 24 June 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

Perry, that's true. In past situations, the traitor was given one member of the scum, and the other scum could easily drop that claim. Sheridan is likely telling the truth, the more I think about it.

TrumpetKing, on 24 June 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Boris, I'm thinking if Sheridan was scum she might have thought this through a little bit more. Don't you think she would have thought it would have been dismissed as false quickly. There's a lot of risks to this, and why would a scum claim something that would be quickly deemed false? I know it completely contradicts my original thoughts, but it's how I'm starting to feel. I'm starting to think it would be a really stupid scum claim.

Sheridan, I think you're more likely to be town, but your claim is still a little fishy to me. There's always that little chance that you're scum.

TrumpetKing, on 24 June 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

I believe Sheridan said she'd come up Coyote on investigation, but is really aligned with the Village. That means she'd come up as Village if killed or lynched. The only way to test this is obviously to kill or lynch her. The good side about lynching her is that there'd be no later confusion surrounding her and her affiliation. The downside would be that we would be risking the loss of a townie.

TrumpetKing, on 24 June 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

I think Sheridan could have gone without claiming. However, somethin' else has come up yonder that makes me feel like There's some fishy bizness goin' on 'round these parts. Notice how Sheridan's dad came in? I know he's her father and all, but it just seemed weird. Saying you'll protect her may be a bad role-playing attempt, but the way you didn't even answer her original requests, just to say you'll protect her makes me wonder if you two have something with each other other than family relations.

Actually, Sherri's claim wasn't necessary, but it was justified.

Back and forth reads on Sheridan, eventually settles on a town read on Sheridan, but wants to lynch Sheridan to find out her allegiance. Seem to me like you are trying to buddy up with Sheridan.

Jessica

What caught my attention with Jessica is that Tristan has failed to respond to Jessica. Tristan, can you respond to Jessica on why you wanted a lynch on Sheridan?

Tell me, you four, how is clarifying any doubts I have, scummy in any sense?

The way you four act and behave is getting really suspicious in my eyes, Kane, Tristan, Carletta and Molly, it seems to me that there are greater, more important matters to be discussed, and you four choose to nitpick something that is trivial and blow it up to something scummy. I am getting the vibe that you four are being neutral just about everything that is being discussed here. Kane, jumping from Michael and Sheridan roleplaying to my query to Drake. Trying to find someone to lynch? Is it not Kane?

Right now, it seems that you four are determined to find something suspicious in my activity, I am not sure if you are serious in finding scum or just interested into getting me lynched. I am also not sure if you four think I am scummy for scum hunting? or you four think I am an easy lynch target (do some research and you will find that scum actually do these kind of crazy stuff).

Self-proclaimed lurker . If you have any opinions or views, even though they have been said already, there is no harm repeating them yourself. It adds value to the conversation and to the matters at hand. You can weigh in your opinion and it adds value. If you are Town that is.

Here is my list.

Scum

Molly

Kane

Tristan

Carletta

Drake

Kimberly (50/50)

Town

Sheridan

Null

Rest - You all haven't done enough for me to have a clear read. If you are town, step up and don't be afraid of accusations.

Why Drake as scum? I see the fantastic four busying trying to prevent me from hounding Drake. So Drake should be hiding something interesting.

I will claim once the vote reaches 50% +1.

Too easy for a Day 1. Thanks Sheridan

Whoa there, Lady! You have five people you think are scum? Gotta say, that's unusual. Coupled with your wild flailing, your overzealous aggressiveness, and the fact you accused people early on over nothing at all, we have the typical sign...of a very confused townie.

Honestly, nothing of this reads as scum behavior. Scum hardly ever accuse early on day one, scum hardly ever pursue a certain suspect even after they meet nothing but resistance, and scum never, ever give us a list of five 'certain' scum and one 'fifty-fifty' on Day One.

Really, if she was scum, her buddies never would let her post the above. However, she doesn't 100% read 'town' to me. She might be third party. Very, very confused third party.

The only thing I read as scumtell is the claim of a claim, which I can't imagine a rational townie to make. Oh, wait, she didn't behave rational so far, no matter if she was scum or town.

Sorry, but I can't vote for someone who claims to have a night action. That never is a good idea.

My two main suspects right now are Caleb and Jessica. Right now I'm inclined to vote for the first. Sheridan has a point when she says that he continuously twists her words, and in addition many of his statements have been about matters of no relevance, such as a post restriction, or a framer.

Well a framer would make an investigated town appear as a scum. But really in this instance, the scapegoat (who would be town but investigate as scum) would show up as scum whether framed or not. So framing really wouldn't do anything here. However this is all under the assumption she is a scapegoat.

For example, he just speaks about a framer not screwing with a role cop, something that had been talked about long enough, prolonging a discussion that helped the town in no way.

I am not twisting your words, I am trying to make sense of them. I have multiple reasons that I am suspicious if you (and I'm not the only one). Your claim is the most obvious one, as is your on/off need to see what people think/don't think of it. Your role playing to the extreme, and because of it, you seem to be unable to make definitive statements. Your post I just quoted shows this: at the end you say you think it's one thing or another thing, then you agree with the town (who as a whole do not seem to have a problem with me) then you finish with a something and a whatever.

From what I've seen, you appear to think I'm scum because I'm not trusting your suspicious claim as much as others.

So, the multiple reasons of his suspicions are, if I'm not mistaking:

Your claim

your on/off need to see what people think/don't think of it.

Your role playing

At least, that's what I get when I try to reduce his post to the core message. None of this really justifies any suspicions.

Anything else he said either in some way reinterprets Sheridan's words or concerns some matter that isn't really important for the town.

Still, the reason I'm not voting for him right away is the fact he is so focused on Sheridan. He is less ardent about his suspicion than Ethel about her five main suspects, but it's a weird thing to do for the scum in general.

Anyone want a loaf of bread? I've got another batch ready. If you wnat some, just visit me in my bakery, okay?

[Tachyon]

Zachary for his strong lynch vote against Sheridan.

Hey, I'd rather be safe then sorry in case it really is a scum ploy to make inroads into the town.

[Peanuts]

I don't know where I want to place my vote on this one. I have two big scum suspects, first being Esther for all the recent talks and that "claim" thing is just not going over well with me; and my second being Michael Thompson, since I feel he's got something to hide for only roleplaying and supporting his family members without reasoning behind it. Michael also has said almost nothing this first day, and while others have also said little, his comments are very short and lack and actual substance other then roleplaying--most importantly they also lack the reasons for defending his wife and daughter, other then "their family & I love them".

However, with all the things going on, and the claim which seems like it's just a ruse to switch votes, at this point my vote is going to have to go to:

Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)

Could you please elaborate why you think it's so likely that the claim is a ruse that you are willing to risk a power role? Just asking.

Oh, and I thought you were suspicious of Sheridan's claim? This completely nullifies what I said before...

[Captain Nemo]

Could you please elaborate why you think it's so likely that the claim is a ruse that you are willing to risk a power role? Just asking.

Oh, and I thought you were suspicious of Sheridan's claim? This completely nullifies what I said before...

2) Yeah, that's why I was confused reading your reply to mine.

1) Anyways, I see the claim as a ruse (And Like Liz I too was messed up in a the same crazy frame/role situation, though I was the one framed). Obviously, it would be bad for a town person to say their claim publically, since then the scum would night kill them or try to lynch them. Esther should tell other people she trusts her claim, so that those people can back up her claim without having to place as much danger on her (Which is part of the reason I don't belive her since she should be more active and not waiting till it's too late in the face of a noose). On the more likely side, as I see it, she is just saying she's got a claim so shift votes, or she may also be just claiming a role, knowing it would be bad for the real person with the claim to dispute her (Since you know that would out the actual claim person).

So basically, her claim seems just like something being used to save her, however she won't elaborate on the claim until it's basically too late. And at that point it's almost useless. Now Michael and Sheridan seem to be her supporters, so where are they? Can anyone verify that Esther has an actual claim to a PR?

[Peanuts]

2) Yeah, that's why I was confused reading your reply to mine.

1) Anyways, I see the claim as a ruse (And Like Liz I too was messed up in a the same crazy frame/role situation, though I was the one framed). Obviously, it would be bad for a town person to say their claim publically, since then the scum would night kill them or try to lynch them. Esther should tell other people she trusts her claim, so that those people can back up her claim without having to place as much danger on her (Which is part of the reason I don't belive her since she should be more active and not waiting till it's too late in the face of a noose). On the more likely side, as I see it, she is just saying she's got a claim so shift votes, or she may also be just claiming a role, knowing it would be bad for the real person with the claim to dispute her (Since you know that would out the actual claim person).

So basically, her claim seems just like something being used to save her, however she won't elaborate on the claim until it's basically too late. And at that point it's almost useless. Now Michael and Sheridan seem to be her supporters, so where are they? Can anyone verify that Esther has an actual claim to a PR?

Well, it was not meant to be a reply. I just took so long saying that that you spoke up before me. Also, by "nullifies everything" I mean "nullifies the whole focusing on Sheridan thing". You stopped doing that. Which makes you my current top suspect.

But you have a point about Ethel, I can't disagree with that.

The logical thing for a townie would be not to talk openly about having a role unless a lynch would otherwise be inevitable.

But the question we have to ask ourselves is: What would scum gain from claiming to claim?

So, you got me thinking, and that's my train of thought:

Claiming a role makes her less likely to be lynched, but, as you correctly said, bears the risk that someone else counterclaims (I almost forgot about that). So, from that perspective, scum might want to not claim a certain role, but just claim to have a role in general. So, from that point of view, what she said was scummy.

I still wonder why she started to claim so early, though. If I was scum and her buddy, I never would have allowed her to. Of course, there's the possibility of miscommunication among the scum.

It could go both ways, really. Town trying (and failing) to be smug or scum trying (and failing) to get votes off of her.

Either way, her claim is what stands out as scummy among her otherwise not very scummy behavior. I'm still too afraid of lynching an actual power role townie.

Wait a second, her name is Esther, not Ethel.

[Mencot]

So basically, her claim seems just like something being used to save her, however she won't elaborate on the claim until it's basically too late. And at that point it's almost useless. Now Michael and Sheridan seem to be her supporters, so where are they? Can anyone verify that Esther has an actual claim to a PR?

I am not her supporter, if you mean my wifey Esther, don´t know what she is up doing.

I tried to backread remember everything Esther said so far, and I really find it odd for a townie to have such a strong accusatory vendetta this early in the game - with not one, not two, but even up to four primary suspects on her scum list! Heck I myself am having a hard time deciding on one person who I find the most suspicious, and yet Esther seems to have quite a solid gameplan this early. While this type of behavior isn't exactly wrong, it just rubs me the wrong way and I see her wall-of-text accusations as a well-planned pre-fabricated ploy usually done by scum to make themselves look active and helpful. On these grounds alone, it usually is enough for me to vote for someone, but thinking on the flipside, if Esther is scum, would her scum teammates really allow her to flail this wildly on the first day? This line-of-thought is what makes me uncomfortable voting for Esther. I would like to see her answer the accusations against her, but it seems she ignored the first wave of questions on her and is still hell bent on accusing others.

I agree on this, I find that very odd also and as someone earlier said, she Esther(Esurient) came out of nowhere and just started accusing people, based on their Day 1 roleplaying. Okay (not ok-ey) she said herself, she is playing hard ball right from the start but I get a deja vu feeling about Esther(Esurient) and playing it hard. But I am not gonna base my vote on that.

I would appreciate you rereading my posts (all of them), not just the two that conveniently allow you to cast suspicion my way. I'm not going to throw in a post just for the sake of posting, and I'm not going to post unless I have something to add. There's enough Day 1 filler posts to wade through as it is.

This vote drew my attention. Not because of the reason for the vote, because I actually agree with some of the logic, and I can see how scum could benefit from this claim. Rather, it's because of the lack of analysis of the the possible options you set out earlier:

You responded to someone who questioned the likelihood of item 4 in your list. However, you have not told us why you have ruled out the other possibilities. As a townie, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch her just yet. Your willingness to vote for her already (notwithstanding the doubts we may have) makes me uncomfortable.

Night actions give information that we can use to start clearing people and testing claims. I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that Day 1 is the best Day for scum hunting? It is full of filler posts, role-playing and wild accusations.

I am confused as all buggery as to who to vote for (although you're looking like a good option at the moment), yet you seem quite confident in your accusations. Only scum can vote with any confidence on Day 1.

You've already said that. The question I have is why soft claim at all when you were only at 3 votes, with the next person at 2 votes? There was (and still is) still lots of time in the day for responding to accusations and defending yourself. Making that claim so early on does not make sense.

If you're town and have a PR, you should be holding on to that information for as long as possible. We don't want any of the town PRs revealed unless absolutely necessary. There was no reason for you soft claiming when you did. At this stage, the only ones you've helped is the scum by revealing you have a PR.

Agreed, my good wifey you are playing it a bit too hard. If you really are a loyal citizen of this village (town) why would you play it so hard on day 1.

Hmm, nevertheless, I still have to go through posts to come up with who to vote for.

[Piratedave84]

I think my response above addresses this. I don't want any town PRs to be revealed.

What I don't understand is why you focus on me calling her on her soft claim? I see this as you trying divert attention away from Esther.

At the time of my post, there was still a good chance that Esther would not get lynch and therfore asking her to claim was innapropriate IMO.

It was something that struck me as od considering that claiming, and consequently probably loosing, a PR on day 1 would be very bad for us in the long term; your answer addresses my concerns.

I'll echo the thougts made by someone else in that I am not comfortable voting for someone who may have a PR and our 2 main suspects both soft claimed. The way I see this is that the benefits of letting a possible PR live far outweight the possible harm that could come from letting a possible scumo live for one more day.

With that being said I am ready to cast my vote and in my usual fashion, I shall vote for a lurker:

Oh! What a day at school! Those kids... are really a handful bunch

So you claimed town scapegoat.. so I should expect to see townie behaviour coming from you? It is interesting to see how people react to Sheridan's claim. Maybe we can start from there.

Sorry, I don't know that you are town, even though you said you are, I am not convinced.

I don't see what scum has to benefit by laying all their cards down on the table first thing, first post on Day 1.

Can you point out to me where you find Sheridan's claim and words suspicious? Maybe the town can discuss it through?

First you think Sheridan is scummy then townie then you sit on the fence, so what is your view on Sheridan now?

I am actually confused. So you are saying Sheridan is a townie but you find Michael and her buddying up suspicious? To me I think Michael is buddying up to Sheridan for whatever reasons, and I would like Michael to clarify that. I took into account that he was roleplaying and all but if that were the only posts he made then it warrants an explanation.

Pops in, appears to be following what's going on, ask a bunch of questions, disapears and never follows up on her questions.

I'm not sure where everyone's getting the idea that what Sheridan did was too ballsy for a Coyote. There's no way to verify her claim, so a scum doesn't really have anything to lose by making such a claim. Sheridan knows full well that claiming miller isn't enough to get her lynched on its own.That is not to say that I believe she is scum, just that it's not any more ballsy for Sheridan to claim miller as a scum than as a townie. It is too early to tell whether or not she's a townie, and her miller claim doesn't really swing things one way or the other.

Keep the investigator on her? What purpose could that possibly serve?

Nothing much here; provides a bit of insight on the subject at hand, disapears

Well, guess this gal knows better than to make a morning of jumping off of barns with umbrellas. It was a hootin' good time y'all but it looks like this was where the action was.

This was honestly my first reaction to this claim. As I think to the validity of the claim though, I just end up taking a stroll down 'WIFOM' lane. It could absolutely play out both ways and the gutsiness of being claimed in the first post certainly has given us a lot to talk about. I'm going to give the dead horse a rest though and look elsewhere for a while.

I think it's important to keep up communication on the first day without focusing and accusing on every piece of fluff. Question it sure, but don't be afraid to leave it. Some roleplaying is part of the fun. Esther(Esurient), surely you can't try to read something into every comment made?

Echos someone else's thoughts, says he will look elsewhere, tells us to keep talking and disapears.

Based on these posts, I will Vote:Connie Radford (Clanure) for having provided exactly zero opinions or insight on the matters at hand.

On that note, any of you 3 can now feel free to speak up, anytime now!

[Purpearljellyblob]

On the subjecto of Sheridan, in my drunken haze, done remember something from my old painful time during the War (Done when I lost be eye, me leg, and me balance), that sometimes some people could done be shocked (Er something from above) so much that they could only be speaking in certain ways. It's like a done "Restriction" on her words, and I don't know if it be 100% correct, for I ain't no doctor and you know, I'm drunk and whatnot, but I think it may be the reason I cannot understand her words all the time.

3) Like Kane, I see her speakin as more of an overall problem, makin her seem more suspicous then others since she already made a claim and may have more to hide. But I know thing it's something more then just roleplaying as I stated earlier in this post conversation.

I took a look at the link you provided on the possibility of Sheridan having a restriction. I am not entire sure why this suggestion was made in the first place. I am sure it is clearly roleplaying. From what I read from that link, it concludes by stating that most players that claim from such restriction are often scum faking them. But it is interesting that you seem to suggest that such roleplaying is scummy.

I don't know where I want to place my vote on this one. I have two big scum suspects, first being Esther for all the recent talks and that "claim" thing is just not going over well with me; and my second being Michael Thompson, since I feel he's got something to hide for only roleplaying and supporting his family members without reasoning behind it. Michael also has said almost nothing this first day, and while others have also said little, his comments are very short and lack and actual substance other then roleplaying--most importantly they also lack the reasons for defending his wife and daughter, other then "their family & I love them".

However, with all the things going on, and the claim which seems like it's just a ruse to switch votes, at this point my vote is going to have to go to:

Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)

On a related note, am I the only one who sees that this whole Thompson family has got something going on? Esther is high scum right now, Sheridan is a possible scapegoat, and Michael is...quiet?

It is also interesting to see that your two big suspects did not include Sheridan. Why the sudden drop? I have no problems with you listing Michael and Esther as scummy, but I am more concerned on the "why(s)". Esther and Michael are hot topics for discussion right now and I am seeing it as you blending in, is it not?

2) Yeah, that's why I was confused reading your reply to mine.

1) Anyways, I see the claim as a ruse (And Like Liz I too was messed up in a the same crazy frame/role situation, though I was the one framed). Obviously, it would be bad for a town person to say their claim publically, since then the scum would night kill them or try to lynch them. Esther should tell other people she trusts her claim, so that those people can back up her claim without having to place as much danger on her (Which is part of the reason I don't belive her since she should be more active and not waiting till it's too late in the face of a noose). On the more likely side, as I see it, she is just saying she's got a claim so shift votes, or she may also be just claiming a role, knowing it would be bad for the real person with the claim to dispute her (Since you know that would out the actual claim person).

So basically, her claim seems just like something being used to save her, however she won't elaborate on the claim until it's basically too late. And at that point it's almost useless. Now Michael and Sheridan seem to be her supporters, so where are they? Can anyone verify that Esther has an actual claim to a PR?

I agree with you about Esther, claiming late would not help Town as we would have little time to decide if her claim is true or not.

If she manages to pull off this lynch, I suggest the current PRs to check her out. If she is Town, we can look into her suspicions, if she is scum, it is always good to lynch scum on Day 2. I may be metagaming Esther right now, but I seem to be wary of Esther turning scummy later on in the game, which may be hard to salvage.

[Scubacarrot]

So basically, her claim seems just like something being used to save her, however she won't elaborate on the claim until it's basically too late. And at that point it's almost useless. Now Michael and Sheridan seem to be her supporters, so where are they? Can anyone verify that Esther has an actual claim to a PR?

Ugh, I haven't like, gone over everything yet or whatever. But like, where, WHERE? Have I ever supported Esther? You're just continually spewing nonsense from every orifice now.

Ugh, and like Zachary, I do not like, understand your reason for voting for me. I claimed like, Scapegoat, or miller, if you will. Okay. That could be a ruse. We have established that it's a possible, but unlikely thing to claim for a scum, right? The majority opinion seems to be that I am likely like, town, for now or something. Which means I won't be like, lynched. Today, at least. What would you like, win from voting for me, then? There is nothing. It just seems like a good way to avoid being accused later of not making an informed vote, not being accused of hopping on a bandwagon or voting late while watching everything. It's pretty suspicious. Also, if you are scum, there's likely another scum on the chopping block before you voted. Interesting. Or whatever.

[Mencot]

I am gonna Vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo)

because of his stranges accusations and just speaking pure horse dung.

Answer that you old drunk, and don´t quote that comment by me that I will do anything for my family because that was roleplaying.

There are couple more who just speak dung, twist and quote others words (esther and clay)

But my opinion on both that they would be Scum is not clear.

[Captain Nemo]

I took a look at the link you provided on the possibility of Sheridan having a restriction. I am not entire sure why this suggestion was made in the first place. I am sure it is clearly roleplaying. From what I read from that link, it concludes by stating that most players that claim from such restriction are often scum faking them. But it is interesting that you seem to suggest lot

It is also interesting to see that your two big suspects did not include Sheridan. Why the sudden drop? I have no problems with you listing Michael and Esther as scummy, but I am more concerned on the "why(s)". Esther and Michael are hot topics for discussion right now and I am seeing it as you blending in, is it not?

I agree with you about Esther, claiming late would not help Town as we would have little time to decide if her claim is true or not.

If she manages to pull off this lynch, I suggest the current PRs to check her out. If she is Town, we can look into her suspicions, if she is scum, it is always good to lynch scum on Day 2. I may be metagaming Esther right now, but I seem to be wary of Esther turning scummy later on in the game, which may be hard to salvage.

I had posted the link to try and get at a possible reason for her extreme roleplaying, and that I naively thought it was out of her control. A bit later however she show that she did not have to speak as she does, and proved the theory wrong. I suggested her roleplaying was scummy because she never seems to make definitive statements.

Sheridan is still on my list no doubt, and she won't be taken off until there's some night action clarification on her scapegoat. She is lower now however as Esther seems far more scummy, and Michaels support of Sheridan without reason is also odd.

I am gonna Vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo)

because of his stranges accusations and just speaking pure horse dung.

Answer that you old drunk, and don´t quote that comment by me that I will do anything for my family because that was roleplaying.

There are couple more who just speak dung, twist and quote others words (esther and clay)

But my opinion on both that they would be Scum is not clear.

That's my exact problem with you--you are voting for me because I'm hourse dung. And is there anything you think backs up the claim? Even right now, you seem to be basing your vote entirely on roleplaying.

[Mencot]

(Roleplay)Don´t know what has gone into my lovely wife, she seemed Okay (not ok-ey) when we got to this village. Maybe this place has twisted her mind or the the shock of the murder has made her really upset. I regret moving to this village if this will ripe our family apart. (Roleplay)

Sheridan is still on my list no doubt, and she won't be taken off until there's some night action clarification on her scapegoat. She is lower now however as Esther seems far more scummy, and Michaels support of Sheridan without reason is also odd.

Roleplay as I said but

I believe her claim of scapegoat and that she is town because it was a very bold move. As the first post of the day and first post ever in this game, if she is scum it would be a really bold move. So I don´t think my dear lass is scum. Enough reason for you, you attack me but there are others who also think she is town... you don´t attack them?

(roleplay)Don´t know if you are too drunk or too sober that you speak with so much twisted words

Hey someone get the man more whiskey(roleplay)

[Captain Nemo]

(Roleplay)Don´t know what has gone into my lovely wife, she seemed Okay (not ok-ey) when we got to this village. Maybe this place has twisted her mind or the the shock of the murder has made her really upset. I regret moving to this village if this will ripe our family apart. (Roleplay)

Roleplay as I said but

I believe her claim of scapegoat and that she is town because it was a very bold move. As the first post of the day and first post ever in this game, if she is scum it would be a really bold move. So I don´t think my dear lass is scum. Enough reason for you, you attack me but there are others who also think she is town... you don´t attack them?

(roleplay)Don´t know if you are too drunk or too sober that you speak with so much twisted words

Hey someone get the man more whiskey(roleplay)

Well thank you for clarifying your stance on her, because up until now, you only defended her by saying she's a good daughter and wouldn't be scum. I don't "attack" the others who think she is town because they provided theirs reasons to believe that; why you only provided roleplay. Now that I actually now why you support her, it's easier to see why you previously waved support with no reasons for it.

And yes, I need more drink!

[Tachyon]

Ugh, and like Zachary, I do not like, understand your reason for voting for me. I claimed like, Scapegoat, or miller, if you will. Okay. That could be a ruse. We have established that it's a possible, but unlikely thing to claim for a scum, right? The majority opinion seems to be that I am likely like, town, for now or something. Which means I won't be like, lynched. Today, at least. What would you like, win from voting for me, then? There is nothing. It just seems like a good way to avoid being accused later of not making an informed vote, not being accused of hopping on a bandwagon or voting late while watching everything. It's pretty suspicious. Also, if you are scum, there's likely another scum on the chopping block before you voted. Interesting. Or whatever.

I'm just taking pre-emptive steps because we aren't in the lovely situation where we have a tracker and 2 or less mafia remaining. Only in that situation, I don't vote millers.

[Mencot]

Isn´t it soon the end of this day. Doesn´t really have a read on anyone, some funny and scummy behavior we have seen but I at least don´t have much to go on

so I will keep my vote for now.

[Piratedave84]

I'm just taking pre-emptive steps because we aren't in the lovely situation where we have a tracker and 2 or less mafia remaining. Only in that situation, I don't vote millers.

I don't get the second part of your post, actually I don't get the whole thing!

What are you trying to say?

If we had a tracker you would not vote Sheridan?

Isn´t it soon the end of this day. Doesn´t really have a read on anyone, some funny and scummy behavior we have seen but I at least don´t have much to go on

so I will keep my vote for now.

Vote Count

Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 5 (Kadabra, CallMePie, Trumpetking, mostlytechnic, Darkdragon)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 2 (Capt. Redblade, Bob)

Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) - 1(Scubacarrot)

Sheridan Thompson (Scubacarrot) - 1 (Zakura)

36 hours until Sunset.

Isn´t it soon the end of this day. Doesn´t really have a read on anyone, some funny and scummy behavior we have seen but I at least don´t have much to go on

so I will keep my vote for now.

By my count, there is still about 27 hours to the day; as of this post, just over half of us have voted. There is however still plenty of time left!

[Tachyon]

I don't get the second part of your post, actually I don't get the whole thing!

What are you trying to say?

If we had a tracker you would not vote Sheridan?

No I'm saying that in the situation that Sheridan has claimed miller, there is a tracker in the game and only 2 scum are still alive, I would not lynch Sheridan.

[Mencot]

By my count, there is still about 27 hours to the day; as of this post, just over half of us have voted. There is however still plenty of time left!

whoops I have somehow looked the time wrong... most be that hot sun

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 7 (Kadabra, CallMePie, Trumpetking, mostlytechnic, Darkdragon, TheBoyWonder, Captain Nemo)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 2 (Capt. Redblade, Bob)

Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) - 2 (Scubacarrot, Mencot)

Sheridan Thompson (Scubacarrot) - 1 (Zakura)

Connie Radford (Clanure) - 1 (PirateDave84)

No vote - 11(Clanure, jamesn, LegoDad, Kristel, Adam, Purpearljellyblob, Dannylonglegs, Esurient, Peanuts, TinyPiesRUs, KielDaMan)

26 hours until Sunset. Get those votes in!

[jimmynick]

I've just been watching and getting my head around what's going on with Esther at the moment.

Here is my list.

Scum

Molly

Kane

Tristan

Carletta

Drake

Kimberly (50/50)

Town

Sheridan

Null

Rest - You all haven't done enough for me to have a clear read. If you are town, step up and don't be afraid of accusations.

Why Drake as scum? I see the fantastic four busying trying to prevent me from hounding Drake. So Drake should be hiding something interesting.

I will claim once the vote reaches 50% +1.

Too easy for a Day 1. Thanks Sheridan

Esther comes out with a boldly stated list of the people she thinks are scum, which is a little premature, I think. And she claims to have a night action, which to me is a good reason not to vote for her.

Whoa there, Lady! You have five people you think are scum? Gotta say, that's unusual. Coupled with your wild flailing, your overzealous aggressiveness, and the fact you accused people early on over nothing at all, we have the typical sign...of a very confused townie.

Honestly, nothing of this reads as scum behavior. Scum hardly ever accuse early on day one, scum hardly ever pursue a certain suspect even after they meet nothing but resistance, and scum never, ever give us a list of five 'certain' scum and one 'fifty-fifty' on Day One.

Really, if she was scum, her buddies never would let her post the above. However, she doesn't 100% read 'town' to me. She might be third party. Very, very confused third party.

I think this says it all. I'm going to give Esther the benefit of the doubt.

I don't know where I want to place my vote on this one. I have two big scum suspects, first being Esther for all the recent talks and that "claim" thing is just not going over well with me; and my second being Michael Thompson, since I feel he's got something to hide for only roleplaying and supporting his family members without reasoning behind it. Michael also has said almost nothing this first day, and while others have also said little, his comments are very short and lack and actual substance other then roleplaying--most importantly they also lack the reasons for defending his wife and daughter, other then "their family & I love them".

However, with all the things going on, and the claim which seems like it's just a ruse to switch votes, at this point my vote is going to have to go to:

Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)

On a related note, am I the only one who sees that this whole Thompson family has got something going on? Esther is high scum right now, Sheridan is a possible scapegoat, and Michael is...quiet?

Yeah, drunk Caleb, why did you drop your suspicion of Sheridan like a fresh hot pocket potato? Why do you vote for the person who claims to have a night action rather than the person who is mostly roleplay with very little content? I think you're just trying to sheep the bandwagon on Esther in the hopes of getting rid of a town power role.

Vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo)

Aack! There's a gila monster in the ladies' room at the saloon, and it tried to eat my wig hair! Drake, come and kill it for me!