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It's an important question which is hard to answer. If we consider Amy's scum, that would leave: -Fuchsia, who has brought up this theory, not likely to be scum as well -Cornelia, who seemed acting pretty logical to me, don't believe her to be scum; also she seems to approve Fuchsia's theory -Richelle, third to vote for Amy, which I don't think would a not loyal do -Rupert, who voted for Amy last -Myself, who I know is town. Also I was the second to vote for Amy. As Rupert says, It's unlikely that both me and Amy are scum -Tammo, who also voted for Amy Of course, only assuming Amy's really scum, which isn't proven. I'm just thinking. So in case she's scum, I think, the most likely ones for the last accomplice are Rupert and Tammo. What do you mean?

Why are you so sure she wouldn't have appeared ten minutes before the ending and just vote for Amy or Dragana or anyone else? She had had two more hours to save her life. So what stops the scum from doing something that's "unusual for scum"? I have to agree, a townie wouldn't want to be voted off either, and Dragana did look suspicious. I even admit, that the scum might furthermore let a team member cast the first vote. Yeah, that's no point against you, sorry. If you find it suspicious that I changed my vote, it's also a bit strange that Amy, when her and Irena had three votes each, didn't vote for Irena, which would have increased her chance to survive the day, but splitted the voted once more. She also changed her vote to Irena in the end, which could have exactly the reasons you blame me for, and is even more likely in my opinion. But of course I can't rate this clinically, as I know I'm loyal. And she might have had the same interest in reaching a conviction as me, of course. But still, I think, Tammo, you're letting Amy of the hook a bit too fast. And what about Fuchsia, I don't see any real point there, just a lot of theories?

Well, but what if Irena would have taken the chance and vote shortly before the day ended? Thus she would have avoided a conviction and survived, winning one more day for her team. And the scum, which would have known that Irena would be doomed the following day, would have voted for her as the first ones, gaining far more trust than voting last. I don't think this is a possibility. What about fear? She was afraid, that you would follow me, and voted for Dragana right after I was offline busy and couldn't convince anyone to vote for her anymore. It's a probabilty I can't deny and it isn't even that far-fetched. I can only say what I said before, I wanted (otherwise than Irena) not end the day without a conviction and I doubted Amy would get the votes requested for a conviction, so I truned on Irena, which had been acting scummy as well, even though she wasn't with my main suspects.

Too bad Danny's dead as well, he once again was one of the most trustworthy family members. And I believed Dragana to be scum, but it seems I was wrong...again. Well, she acted very scummy yesterday. So, which other suspects do we have? Unfortunately, Dragana was suspicious of me, but she also was of Cornelia, who I don't think to be scummy. At least she was the second to vote for Irena, but she could also be a not loyal who's very good at decpeting us. I'm still suspect of Richelle. The fact she was the first to vote even substantiates this. I mean, this seem slike a perfectly scummy move: There's two suspects, one is illoyal and one is, as the illoyal one knows, loyal. The illoyal one gets voted for, so what does she do? Just vote for the other one. But we most certainly have a second scum left, and I don't have many clues who it might be. Most likely it was somebody who didn't vote for Irena, or at least somebody, who voted very late, when her conviction was almost sure. Unfortunately it was a narrow conviction, and the first and the third one to vote are already killed, so it's hard to learn anything from this. What Amy just said is quite interesting, but also a bit confusing. Of course would the scum try to gain trust by acting like a useful townie, and we shouldn't trust someone just becaue he seems to help us, but I wouldn't go that far and say someone's a suspect because he acts like a townie. I think we can hardly say who actually seems to be a townie and who just acts like a townie, as the ones who helped us most are dead. I don't think Fuchsia's the only one who could easily be a not loyal in disguise.

Here are my votes: 2 points for sok117 - Isla de la Muerta 1 point for Matn - Tia Dalma's Shack 2 points for Hammelgeier - Attack of the Kraken Good luck to all participants!

Wow, that's one of the things I exspected least to happen. I mean, return of Batman . New DC and Marvel sets, and so on. It's funny how much information we get about this, I think this will turn out to be really good. Sounds like TLC will make a lot of money by that, but nevermind. I just hope, they will have some nice small or medium sized sets.

It's so quiet around here... Well, we may vote now, and I don't really think there's much to talk about anymore. Both our major suspects, Dragana and Richelle, have spoken up, neither was really convincing. So I'll vote: Richelle/Ricecracker. I've decided to vote for Richelle (and not Dragana), because I'm also wondering if she'd really act that much like Irena, if they were both scum, which finally tips the scales. And Richelle has spoken even less than Dragana, so even if I'm wrong, the loss is slightly smaller.

Well, I didn't actually defend her. While I had the gut feeling she was town, I didn't ignore the fact she had been acting scummy, otherwise I wouldn't have voted for her anyway. Still I found Amy more suspicious, which is why I voted for her. The decisive factor, which made me change my vote, was, as stated, the importance of a conviction, if that makes any sence. Even though this aspect is in my disfavor, I have to agree.

While Fuchsia brought up some strange ideas like conversion, I don't really think it was intended to confuse us. Just because things are unlikely, doesn't mean they can't be true. Also, Irena said, she'd find the Amy-Fuchsia connection suspicious, before people started voting for her. And about Cornelia, I have no idea what you're talking about. Please specify. Now that's what I call good reasoning. Both Tammo and Daniel are talking a lot, both seem to be supporting the town rather well. Of course, that's what the scum would try to look like as well, but I still think, the main suspects are you and Richelle.

Would you please refresh my memory, when did Richelle lie to us? I'm afraid, I don't remember. Would make her even more suspect. Not to mention the "gaining everyone's trust" thing only works if you start the bandwagon, which was Dad, who is a confirmed townie, with the second being Mom, who I have no reason to distrust (not only because she's my mother, also because she seems to act rather logical). I don't really think, this is an option. I don't think there'd be good reasons for the scum to vote for Irena (except the scenario of an usuper among the scum, which I doubt). So it's day three and you still have nothing to add? Well, this hardly is a good defense. But I hadn't realized that you unvoted Amy after the conviction was done, which is indeed an interesting fact. Unfortunately it doesn't really make you look more trustworthy in my eyes.

Wow, that's asthonishing! Great work there, ACPin. Looks all very Japanese and it's really hard to say what's the best part of this MOC, as it all looks amazing. This is most likely the greatest japanese-themed Diorama I've ever seen.

Interesting point. I don't really think the scum can convert, just because of the small number we are, but it is possible. Still I wouldn't say that those who voted for Irena can't be scum, it's still possible one of the illoyal ones is a usurper or they actually jumped on the bandwagon. I think, this Irena statement makes it less likely that Fuchsia or Amy is scum. With Irena being dead, my two other suspects from yesterday would be Richelle and Dragana, who both didn't vote for Irena. Those two are clearly my main suspects today.

No, Daddy! How can this scum dare to kill my Dad? Yes, I'm also glad I did so. I'm really happy I voted for Irena, even though I really though she was town, but I couldn't let this day end without conviction.

That was really an interesting game, though I'm glad I just watched, I don't think I'd have helped the town winning. The solution reminded me a bit of a mafystery version of Witch Hunt, but I didn't expect this at all. Who'd ever suspect the dead ones? I also wondered for the whole game what kept the dark ones from using all their kill cards on night one, but now it makes sence. Once again, you've done a great job in hosting, Def. And congrats to you dead winners.

I can hardly say I'm convinced, but we have to get to a conviction, so I'll unvote: Amy Spalkowa/Iamded and vote: Irena Spalkowa/Shadwos.

I'm not defending Irena, I'm just saying, there are bigger suspects then her. What you all say against Irena is perfectly true. And I would have voted for Sammy, so why wouldn't I tell you? Besides that, I agree with everything else you just said, except for Amy.

Sorry, Dad, seems like you're right. Wouldn't say Dragana is as helpful as Irena, Irena has at least made a few noteworthy comments. Not that I want to defend Irena, but I wouldn't vote for her today. My main suspects so far are Amy, Dragana and Richelle. Convicting Irena feels like a mistake to me in the moment.

I had read it before, but thoses posts speeches didn't sound like a good reason to trust her. The first one is just a sarcastical comment about others disdaining the job she's doing and the second one is her voting statement, which seemed a bit flaw to me, but well. Also, you said you would have defended Sammy if you had been there yesterday, blaming the ones who had jumped on the bandwagon. Once again, what made you think he was loyal? You admitted that he acted scummy. Btw, I'm not sure what your opinion about my Dad is? No accusation intended, I'm really asking, 'cause I'm a bit confused. He seems to be suspect to some people. Once again, I'm wondering: Is there something about Dad I missed, or is it simply the fact he doesn't really talk that often? I think you're going a bit far. It is strange Amy is so sure Fuchsia's town, and I don't really believe in Fuchsia's excuse for not taking Amy to the list, just because she talked twice that day. And I wouldn't say Fuchsia was that much of a graet townie. Thinking about it, she just brought up three ideas how to act, of which two were both pretty helpful for the not loyals, and composed a list of four people who hadn't helped us at all till then. It was certainly of avail, but talking of her as "great townie" is a bit much, isn't it? Yes, I don't think we'll gain much more today. I'm still not fully convinced of Amy's guilt, but she is our best option in my eyes. I'll also vote: Amy Spalkowa/Iamded. Let#s hope she'll turn out to be illoyal, I'd hate to kill a townie.

okay, now I get it. I agree that's a reasonable theory. It just sounded weird the way you phrased it. It would really have been a good scum move to get us into investigating the silent ones. The reasons why I don't think Tammo has killed Henry and wouldn't think I had killed Henry if I wasn't myself? I wrote them above. Because Henry didn't have valid evidence against me or Tammo anyway and because I would try to avoid the attention I'd get for killing Henry if I was the scum killer.

Thinking about it, we know of all those, who voted for Sammy, why they did so, but we should also have a look on those who didn't vote. -I myelf was going to vote for him, but I came too late. -Same thing with Daniel. -Irena stated yesterday she wanted to avoid a vote on day one, as it would most likely kill a townie. -Amy said she believed his father to be town, but at the same time she agreed he acted suspiciously. Just Dragana hasn't even mentioned Sammy today and yesterday she just talked about his receptionist. I'd really like to hear why she didn't vote. Going on with the list: -Richelle still is rather silent. Yesterday she has only spoken up to defend herself, while she today only talked once, with no real point in it. She also was the last one to vote with the reson of gaining evidence from the conviction. -Rupert has spoken quite often in the meantime, explain his former absence with being busy. Doesn't mean he can't be scum, but I wouldn't say we have anaything against him. -Irena has also spoken more often now. But am I the only one to find it fishy that she didn't want a conviction yesterday? -Dragana has today spoken up once, this time not completely chit-chatty. -Amy seems like she felt very sure her father was loyal, although she admits he acted scummy. Also she wants my Dad to be on the list, just because he voted second. She apperantly is convinced Fuchsia is loyal, which may be because of herself missing on the list, as Rupert and Tammo have pointed out. -Also me or Tammo might look suspect, as we both had been accused by Henry. Yet I don't believe Tammo would have killed him, for the sme reason I wouldn't have done so. -Fuchsia might be suspect as well, if she works together with Amyand forgot her on purpose. She has been talking fairly rarely, but at least she has got us a list with some suspects. Which really bugs me is her voting statement: She thought Sammy to be suspect, because he based his voted on the list, which she considered not to be real evidence. She also criticized Sammy's suggestion of investigating the ones on the list, which I believe is a good idea, as those are our main suspects. Yet all we had back then were the ones who had been quite, and if Sammy wouldn't have drawn suspicion on him and nothing else came up, I would also have voted for someone on the list. At the same time Fuchsia also states that a conviction has to be done, although she's not convinced of the evidence against Sammy, which is contradictionary in my eyes. What do you think?

The first one is a possibility, while the second one is the obvious assumption I was talking about.

I wouldn't say so, you should consider, that I didn't have any logical reason to kill him. Yes, he charged me, but his "evidence" wasn't valid at all, as said yesterday. And as I see it, there are today still bigger suspects than me (the ones on the list), so I wouldn't have to fear he could start a lethal bandwagon on me. I myself, if I was a scum killer, wouldn't try and kill somebody I just argued with, just because of the attention I'd get.

Well, starting a bandwagon against an innoncent looks more like a mistake than like scum tactics to me. I think, the scum would merely try and support the main accuser or defend the innoncent, to look innoncent as well. But of course the scum will try to play town, so it's hard to say what's scummy and what's not. Long speech short, I don't think he#d have to face consequences. Interesting point, I didn't think about this so far. Well, it doesn't clear her from being not loyal, but it might be useful.

Hm, I really thought Sammy was scum, I was also going to vote for him, but I was too late. Seems like we were wrong. And poor Henry, he may have been a freak, but at least he had been a loyal one. Unfortunately he had been one of the most trusted persons so far, even though accusing me. I hope the investigator has got something, we could need some evidence right now.

So far voting for sammy seems to be our best choice, but I'll give him some more time and have a closer look on what he said, before I state my vote. Not in the discussion thread at the family reunion or whatever.