kabel

Extremely nice building! Never thought LDD could look this good! I especially like the interior, and all the furniture you've assembled in there. The whole structure looks brilliant though! Good job! PS: Steens face is a little different, but it still looks o.k.

whereas other guilds talk, Mitgardia builds! http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=83195

In Southern Mitgardia the forests are lush and the soil is soft. So over the years roads have eaten into the ground creating some hollow lanes, hidden from the eyes of most everyone. They provide a perfect way to travel unseen, but a dumb place to be caught traveling! "Hey, there father Dwarf, where might you be traveling and what do I see in the back of your cart" asked the leader of the free roaming Varlyrian mercinaries as the dwarven ale traders stumble into an uncomfortalbe situation. "Well suh, dunno what you mean!" "Gee, I mean those lovely kegs there! Dwarven ale I assume correctly? I'm sure that I have a much better use of them then those fancy ladies and gentlemen in Mpya Stedor. So why wouldn't you be so kind as to hand them over to me and my friends!" The dwarfes were stunned. Normally humans didn't travel these old roads, and they had been sure not to be molested here on a road that was usually not known to many outsiders. The things weren't right in Mitgardia anymore after this Victor Revolword had started the whole thing. The dwarves looked at each other and were ready to hand over their kegs. They were trapped! Luckily Steen Larsson, on his way to Mpya Stedor, showed up behind them and taught those Varlyrians a bitter lesson: NEVER MESS WITH MITGARDIA!!

man, you guys are so stuck up, sometimes it's really hard to take ...

I think the jarl has resigned, but I'm not quite sure ...

aye, will do! Anyway, now that the tags are out its really kind of interesting to scroll through all the pages and see who got one, who not and who is still here with us. Kinda sad to see that even gold rim members quit after a while. Maybe some return once they wonder what they got the tag for, at least I hope so ...

Those are some really sweet tags (Mitgardia gold of course being the best )! Thanks a lot Z!

@LD: here's the link: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64342/ I started updating the general information. Please correct me if I write anything incorrect, I'm a geographer not a historian!

@gideon: I searched the word 'ship' in the historica as well as in the history forum and this is what I came up with. Maybe there is the one or the other that I overlooked, but in general people don't build so many medieval ships. Maybe there are some more in the pirate ship index I'll see. @legonardo: there are also some from the general history forum, not many it seems. So it's time people build more medieval ships! And, so far I'm leading with three, time for you guys to catch up

after being totally fried following ch VI, I finally picked up my bricks again ... I also followed sc's advise and scraped all the short legs toghether that I had and created some dwarves!

well, actually medieval soccer was a rather bloody endeavour as well, that's why the popes tried to prohibit it

the funny thing is that in the middle ages football was oiriginally played (fought) between two villages and the team won that got the ball through the other's gate, quite an idea for a moc ...

l like your vigs, very creative. Very interesting trees indeed, gonna have to try that too

Actually I love all the mocs in your current free build series (nice attempt to copy Mitgardia) but I really like this one the best. For some reasons I've really started to like old water mills. Such a great way of producing energy ... Anyway, your moc is always as always. I especially like your thatched roof design. I myself have tried to come up with a decent design myself, but have so far failed. So I may have to borrow this.

I guess I'll classify both as others, I'll see. So what else do you guys think should mentinioned here? I really would like to make this a comprehensive as possible as I would like to ecourage others too to build medeival ships!

wow, this is ever so cool, wish I had that many dwarves. Very dwarvish if I might say so, love it!

soccer is always a good excuse!

Nice tower legofin, and a good job on getting the flags in. Nice cliff too!

actually our election campaign challenge was more about making fun of election campaigns and truth be told, our first prime minister disappeared right after he got elected. As for Eccs stepping in, I suppose he would have done so even without the prime minister elections. Furthermore, we now have the leader and the prime minister combined in Eccs which doensn't really make that much sense either if the postition was to be filled with the true power of a vice leader.

No, if you click on the number of posts it will tell who posted how many

darn, there's a typo in the title, Z, would you mind changing it? And, I can't get Guss' pics to work, is there any way to fix that?

well, that's why I compiled the ship index: http://www.eurobrick...showtopic=83061

so great you finally made a decent ship, it will go right to the new ship index I'm currently compiling. cog or caravel I wonder ... Other than that, totally nice! My criticsm: your sailors actually don't look medeival at all but rather 18th century, you might wanna change that. Also, if you turned your main sail into a square rigged sail, it would fit as a good example of a cog. Furthermore, steering wheels too are an invetion of the 18th century. Just take it off

yeah, I'm workin on that, just had some trouble getting all the flickr links fixed, that's why i'm doing them one by one ...

Every now and then people in this here forum attempt to build a ship that coud have floated in the middle ages. In this thread I would like to collect all the cogs, caravells, carracks etc. that have been build so far, as well as give some advice on shapes and techniques. So first of all, this is not meant as a thread to undermine the Pirate forum but an effort to collect the ships from the castle/pre - classic pirate era. Sometimes people don't realize that there is a huge difference between the earlier and the later ships and thus come up with stuff that doesn't really fit the time frame we're discussing in this forum. Or sometimes people do stuff that from a historical point of view doesn't really a lot of sense. Here for, instance, we're having a really nice brick built cog, (by Jakob Z.) The shape is really nice, but the problem is that this kind of rigging doesn't fit a cog, as cogs were usually one masted! So the rigging depicted here is that of a carrack, a ship that was developed at least 100 years later. I mean I don't want to be too academic, but sometimes the mistakes bug me a bit. Not only me though! And last but not least, let's be honest, Lego hasn't been doing such a good job at providing us with the ships we need for our knights! Middle Ages vs. Pirate Era Most Historians would agree that the (European) middle Ages started around the year 500 and ended around 1500 (depending on who you ask). The era of piracy Lego refers to would be starting around the year 1600 at the earliest, so that actually leaves us with numerous types and shapes of ships distributed over a time frame of roughly 1100 years. That's a lot of time to cover, so I'll concentrate on the most important ones. As I really don't know every ship ever build, it'd be cool to make this a collabertive effort, sort of like the tree guide. Around 1000 - Drakar (Viking Ship) Wikipedia article Drakar by Capt. Green Hair: Ca. 1000 to 1400 - Cog Wikipedia article The Cog was actually the ship of the High Middle Ages. It's form derived from the Viking ship but it was wider and used only sails for propulsion. Cogs were one masted and square rigged and mostly seen in the northern/northwestern parts of Europe, the realm of the Hanseatic league. Scientists believe it was first build on the shores of the Baltic Sea. However, few complete cogs have been discoverd so far, although the Baltic Sea is actually littered with wrecks. Of the few wrecks that have been excavated, the Cog of Bremen was the best preserved as it was the only one with more than a few hull pieces. On medieval city seals you can actually find a lot of cogs with a battlement on the front as well as the stern castle. The Bremen cog however, did neither have a front castle nor any battlements. So most Historians believe that most trading cogs didn't have battlements either, as battlements on a trading ship wouldn't have made a lot of sense. Therefore actual trading cogs looked a little different from what is usually depicted in many pictures. A historically accurate depiction of a cog would actually look more like this: Cog Mocs: ship by TheBrickAvenger: Avalonian trade cog by Legonardo: Mitgardian cog by Ecclesiastes: Mitgardian cog "Lady Emma" by kabel: cog, flickr find: Hanseatic Cog by Kris Kelvin: Hansa Trad Cog by DNL: cog by ciamek (aka Piglet): Englisch War Cog by 2 Much Caffeine: Ca. 1450 to 1600 Caravel Wikipedia article Unlike in the Northern parts of Europe, Mediterranean ship builders went a somewhat different way. The most notable differences were that the planks of the Mediterranean ships did not overlap and, due to Arabian influences, most Southern ships were Lateen rigged. This means that the sails usually had triangular shapes. This way they were able to navigate much better then the ships build by the Northerners. In the first half of the 15th century, under the advise of Henry the Sailor, the caravel was developed by the Portugese as the ship of choice they used for venturing along the coasts of Africa in order to get to India. The age of exploration actually started as early as 1418! Later caravels were of course much bigger and also had some sqare sails and sometimes up to four masts. But the first caravels had often not more than two masts and only Lateen sails. The most notable examples of early Caravels were the Pinta and Nina of the Columbus fleet, whereas Columbus' falg ship the Santa Maria was actually a carrack. A currently floating replica early caravel is the Boa Vista, located in Southern Portugal. more and better pics of a Portugese caravel replica by FrankBrickWright Caravel Mocs: Caravel "The Tigresa" by Mark of Falworth: "Medieval Caravell" by Guss: pic extension doesn't work Link to topic Mitgardian caravel "Arandela Negra" by kabel: Kaliphlin pirate ship by Legonardo: Kaliphlin vessel "The Amazon" by Damaximus: Caravel "Pinta" by FrankBrickWright: 15th to 16th century Carrack Wikipedia article Kaliphlin: Barquonian Interceptor by Sebeus: Mitgardian carrack "Rose of Asgard" by kabel: Kaliphlin carrack "Golden Swan" by Damaximus: Carrack "Santa Maria da Boa Viagem" by FrankBrickWright: 8th to 17th century galleys: Wikipedia article Kaliphlin galley "The Basilisk's Gaze" by Gabe: Nocturnian galley "Wyvern's Cough" by Balthasar: Others: merchant ship by Disco86: Kaliphlin fishing boat by gabe: Nocturnian "Skeleton Ship" by Hersbrucker: Nocturnian: "Minotauren Warship" by Hersbrucker: Chines Junk by Arzlan: ship fight by timmyboy_yo Ship Building Guides and Wip Topics: How to Build a Frigate by Captain Green Hair The mother of all ship building tutorials, not medieval, but a good base for any kind of ship. Caravel tutorial by Horry WIP Carrack by kabel Note: This is by no means meant to be a complete list but a mere work in progress! So if you have more medeival/fantasy/castle etc. mocs that were posted here on eb, let me know and I'll add your ships to the list. Thanks