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double post. My bad. :'-)

Just as soon as you explain to me how gaint alien robots from space are able to scan an abject and turn into that abject, i'll gladly rebutel your point. :-| So only your points are comprehensible huh? No one else can just go to a movie like this and just sit back and enjoy it? I had writen some big comeback post, but why? we could go back and forth like we fave been, but i'm not going to change your opinion, or are you going to change mine. We preety much pointed out what most likes about it, and didn't. You didn't like it? Fine. I did and thought Bay did a great job. Botttom line is whats done is done. This was the Transformers movie and always will be (weather you want to admit it or not) and i look forward to bay directing the next one. X-D Ok, now that i finnally got that out of my system..... i didn't care for the designs when i first saw them, but now that i see them in motion, they look alot better. I still think prime looks alittle cheezy, but the other designs are kinda cool. The toys aren't bad either. When is the first episode supposed to air?

You found it in the U.S.???? Where?? I'm really liking this set! Its looking better now that i'm seeing more of it at differnt angles. I'mvery curious how wellit pulls, and and can push/doze before the clutches start slipping.

I call dibs on the tanker truck!! I'vebeen meaning to do this for a while now, i finnally have a reasonto get off my but and do it! Octane Tanker truck on!! X-D

Well i guess i'll be the minnority. I guess someone has too. It was just as i expected. An hour and a half long episode. Nothing really speacail. It was really funny, and i like the fact that they were on the big screen gave them the opertunity to use a little bit more "adult" humor. But other than that, there really wasn't anything you wouldn't see in a regualr simpsons episode. But to be honest, i really didn't see how they could do anything differnt. I mean, i completely respsect the way they were true to the series, but its not like they were doing anything differnt, or couldn't be true. Was it the simpsons? Absoulty! Butto be honest, i've laughed just as much from 1/2 hour episodes.

Sorry. I messed up in my original post that you quoted. My bad. :-$ . What i meant to say was "you can pout, cry and complain all you want" I really don't know how "female got int there" *wacko* But anyweays, its not that i'm saying its good becase alot of people are going to see it, i feel its good becaseit was a a really good movie. Nothing but people clapping and chearing at the end. That was both times i went. Ok,after thinking about it, the only thing i can think of was when [spoiler!!] the Mountain Dew machine and the Xbox 360 transfomed. And again, it takes nothing away from the movie, and was only for a slpit second. Big deal. If there was anything else please point it out. To be fair, that protoform. No one thinks of protoform (espeacailly a young kid) as optimus prime. If he had grabbed leader class and said the same coment then that would be differnt.

The person above me is the grand-O-poo-baa of Lego Pirates!

The person abve me appears to be a fan of Transfomers fan and the Simpsons movie fan based on amimations, and quotes in his sig. :-)

Good idea. I think i'll probbly moc this up like Optimus prime when i get it later this month! :-)

Hmm.. Did it have all these things? Yes, but see, thats why they have things like Rating systems for movies. This was rated PG-13, not PG, or G. There was warnings for everything. Sexual referances,crude humor and Language. In all honesty, i don't fel sorry for the parents that get upset for taking there kids to see this, and getting upset. Personally, i'm not going to take my 7yr old kid to see a PG-13 movie. If i do, i don't beilve I would have a right to complain. I will agree that Jazz saying "wux up bitches!" as his opening line was a little much. Hmm.. Did it have all these things? Yes, but see, thats why they have things like Rating systems for movies. This was rated PG-13, not PG, or G. There was warnings for everything. Sexual referances,crude humor and Language. In all honesty, i don't fel sorry for the parents that get upset for taking there kids to see this, and getting upset. Personally, i'm not going to take my 7yr old kid to see a PG-13 movie. If i do, i don't beilve I would have a right to complain. I will agree that Jazz saying "wux up bitches!" as his opening line was a little much. Imagine watching the original movie... Prime and Megatron are fighting. Now wouldn't you have walked out of the theater if, instead of Hotrod getting in the way and going, "N-No you don't, Megatron!"... he instead said, "Woah, Leggo my Eggo!"? That's product placement. And hopefully to a normal person, pretty forced dialogue. And what if, when Prime was downed for the last time, he said, "I've fallen, and I CAN'T GET UP!"... would that not be incredibly ridiculous and embarrassingly juvenile? This hole coment is contridicting the point your trying to get across. Please descibe a scene in the new movie were that any of this "product placemen"t happened? Yes there was alot of humor (sorry if you feel its corny) but just like you said, just like in the cartoon, when it got serious, it was serious. The Product placemnt your talking about is no exsistant in this movie. And please don't point out a split second were the moutain dew and Xbox transfomred. Big freck'in deal. I'm sorry they didn't make it serious enough for you. But like you said yourself, G1 was corny, and not serious. All in the same sence that the movie was. Yes, advertising gets more people into theaters. You can female canine and cry all you want, but thats life with big movies today. Like i said in previosly, there really wasn't any product placment other than the autobots being GM vehicles. Whitch took absolutly nothing away, and made the movie better since the vehicle choices and designs were perfect for there characters. ..And yes, it was good. :-) I'll be going to see it again this friday. X-D

Is the harvester avaible in the states yet? Time to raid TRU!!

Well, Since i've been seeing the previews since last year, i was really excited about this. But after seeing some of the previews i was less than thrilled :-/ . Looks like a 2 hour episode. Though i haven't seen it myself, some frineds of mine confirmed this. But being a big simpsons fan, i'll hold off judgment till i see it myself tommorw. Hearing positive reviews from you guys gives me hope.

Awsome! This set looks very impressive! Figures the UK would get it before the states. *wacko* Oh well, it will be mine soon enough! As will the new truck! Hopfully re will get a review soon! :'-)

Well guess he felt he would do what he felt was right. Again, please explain to me how any of the autobots being GM vechicles was selling out. now ifthey made Optimus Prime a Chevy Silverodo or somthing, then yes, i would defenatly agree. But all of the autobots really made an improvment as there allternates. There couldn't have been a better choice for Bumble Bee. Ironhide as a Minivan again? :-P Sorry, i don't think so. No argument there. But in defense, i felt that it did end up working. He had the most evil,and meanacing appearance out of any of the Decepticions. When i get home after work, no problem. X-D

Cheaper does not mean better. But just cause there a fan does not mean that the''ll be, or are a good director. Actually it makes perfect sense...he made the first three. Then he changed and became one of the very kinds of directors that he hated. He then sold out and made what "lol that sounds cool", completely disregarding both the fans and his former creative process. He made what he thought would appeal to everyone, rather than what Star Wars was supposed to be. Well personally, i don't see how it wasn't star wars, or how he "sold out". And from my understanding, the first 3 movies were writen before the last 3. I realize that. What i'e been trying to point out is that like it or not, the bots animation plays a big part. Weather or not Bay made the movie, or somone else. If the technology is out there, it should be fully taken advantage of. This was (at least for me) a big highlight of the film. From when Blackout first transformed in the opening scene, to when Optimus Prime and the rest of the autobots first roled though the alley and transformed. All the detail in the transformation was remarkable. It is part of what made this such a great movie. sorry you didn't feel that way, but for me, that was a big part of it. I never ever at any point said that i looked down on it. As you even mentioned, many parts of the movie took me back to my childhood. What i'm getting at is that i understand what it was based on was in fact a childs cartoon. So i wouldn't want them to take it any more seriously than they did. I apreaciated the fact that it was made to entertain me just like the original cartoon did. But i also wanted to see a more evolved version and story line being it was going to be on the big screen. I have full respect for the original series, but am glad to see them evolve in there design. but at the same time, when you first saw optimus prime in the movie, there was no mistaking him. Alli know is that i enjoyed the oringinal series, and enjoyed the movie. I don't know what catagory i fall under, but to be honest, i don't care. Now its time to put my 80's dino bot next to my Leader class Opitmus Prime. With missing leg and all! :-P

Well if thats your opinion that thats fine. But personally i felt it all was nessasary to the story. For example.. Bumble has always preferred the company of humans over bots. I felt they did a great job of showing that. Him helping sam get closer to Micheala was perfect example of that. And at the end when he wanted to stay with sam. It all worked out. And i still don't see how it was "guess staring the Transfomers". It was thier battle. It always was. In that perspective, less known actors don't make any better ones. And i can't agree with that shia being as bad an actor as you said. I thought shia did a great job. And since he only stared in one movie before that, (whitch he did good on as well, whitch is one of the reasons he got the part) i don't see why they should have chosen anyone else less known. That just donsn't make any sence. No, visuals don't make a good mmovie by itself, its a combo of stript, visuals, and speacail effects. But were not talking about a movie like the Piano, or Citizen Cane. Were talking about Transformers. even if script was writen as specacular as you would have liked it to be, being that the bots would be the main focus, having crappy visuals, and speacail effects would have sent this movie right donw the pooper. Like it or not, thats whats going to make or break a movie like this. i don't care how "spectacular" the script is. If the bots weren't animated correctly, that would have been it. That doesn't really make any sence. Just casue somones a fan doesn't make them a good director. Again, bay did a great job. Your still not making any sence though. he followed his vision in the first 3 Star wars, and there was sucsess. He doesn the same, and ends up bombing? Sounds like its a no win situation with the fans. Not by todays standards no it didn't cost that much. But your right. There really wasn't anything like it being shown at the time whitch helped contribute to its sucsess. But the problem is that to make a sucseesful movie today( espeacailly any kind of scifi action flix with CGI or Animations) is that your going to be compared with other films of the same caliber. Thats why the visuals and animation (weather it be CGI, clay or whatever) are so important. You can't take away from that for the sake of saving money and still expect people to just over look that becasue the script was just fenominal. Again, this is TF, so i don't know how much of a masterpiece of a script you can get considering that the hole story was based on a kids cartoon in from the 80's. Yes, the script is just as important, and i realize its possible to do both at the same time. I felt they acomplished that with with this movie. Other wise i really don't think so many people would have enjoyed the movie and gotten such great reviews as it has. But why can't somone be both? I know plenty (some are even here meembers here on eurobricks :-) ) that seem to be both. I don't think its fair to distingwish between the two.

First off i did say that part of the reason the autobots were Gm vehicles was becase of profit and cost. And how the hell does it detract from the film? How does Bumblee Bee being a camaro, Rachet being an H2 hummer, jazz being a Pontiac Solstic, and Iron Hide being a GM TopKick noticably take away from the film? Please explain that. We all would have loved to see more of the bots. I'll admit that would have made the movie better, but it all worked toeghter just fine. It was nessasary (as much as you won't admit it) for the humans to be in it. And the first thing that i think of, my girl friend, freinds parents and the rest of the people think of when we think of this movie is Optimus Prime. Alot of my frineds saw the movie were taken back to being kids. Sorry if you couldn't look past the Gm trucks to get that feeling yourself. :-| What exactly didn't make sense to you? I'm not trying to be a smart megablocks, but seriously, i thought everything was explained preety well. Again, we could argue to death. But i felt it was a great movie. I did have a plot. As much as you won't admit it. Just not the one you wanted to see. Maybe it could have been an academy award winning film. But if it was, i garrantee you it wouldn't have been transformers. Read the TF forums. For every 20 or so good coments about the movie, there was one bad one. And many came back to say they were wrong to pass judgment intill they acctually saw the movie. and that they felt it was good. you have to have a balance to please everyone. As much as you claim that its just so easy to make a big budget movie, you contradict alot of what your saying. Shia Lebloef, isn't exactly main stream, and this was Megan Fox's first movie. The only a few really main stream actors. And most of the Budget was due to the CGI. All the things that ytou claim could have been done to cut cost are what make second rate "B" flicks that ussually just go straight to DVD. use less known,more crappy actors? Weren't you just claiming about the acting sucking? But wait, the main human characters were those less well known actors. Less visuals? Are you serious? You realise it thing like this that make the "great film" that you were hoping to see. And no one was saying they couldn't afford the $150,000,000, but its nice to have somone to help out. And Bay got his Artistic vision out just fine. Again, reading the TF forums. Many claim that it wasn't dark enough, but claim to be die hard 80's fans. I don't see how the original series was as "dark" as they want. Exactly. Thank you very much. You just proved my point. X-D See what happens? Do what you want, make it YOUR vision, and most times, you have somthing great. Concentrate on what others want then you get disaster. In this case, Lucus did what he wanted in the first movie, and got somthing great that blew up beyond what anyone ever imagined. Then he tried to please "the fans" and got nothing but piss and moans. Add might i add, one of the reasons the original three movies did so well, was becase of the visuals. Way ahead of its time. There's alot of movies today that fail to compare. And yet that's exactly what they did *wacko* So i guess we just should have gotten a 2 hour cartoon with the same animation as in the 80's. then if TF shouldn't have been an action flick, then what should it have been? If acting is as crappy as you say now a days, then why were you expecting this one to break the mold with acting? Thats life in the industry. Sorry, but thats just s really stupid coment. So someone that enjoys the film is automaticly only a movie fan? Its not posible for someone to enjoy the movie, found parts that they liked or can relate back to the oringal series? So that person is a movie fan and not a true fan? So what that this movie got me back into the hobby. manybe i'm not as "die hard" as you are. But to be honest, if thats your attitude,then i'm really glad i'm not. I guess so. Anyway if all you're worried about is money (like you seem to be suggesting), then make the movie a generic action flick, and leave transformers out of it. If you're going to make movies based on a well-established franchise, then do it right. No its not all about money, but you have to be realistic and know that it is part of it. Why shouldn't they aim to make a profit for all there hard work. Look, i beilve it or not, i do kinda relate were your coming from. I felt preety much the same way you and Jin. feel when the movie DOOM came out. The only differnce is that the movie other than taking place on mars really had nothing to do with the game. I nearly walked out. (should have really). but with TF it brought me back to when i was a kid eating me bowl of cereal in one handand my stuffed bunny thumper in the other.

Ok, you front the $150,000,000 for the movie. When a company comes in to help out with the bill you might just take them up on that. Again, there products took absolutly nothing away from the movie, so i don't see the problem. We weren't the focus. It was all part of the story line. i never insulted him becase of his sense of humor. Nor was i saying mine was better than his. He he took it that way i opoligise. But read my post again. His main claim is that they weren't taking the movie that was BASED ON AN 80'S CARTOON AND TOYS Sseriously because bumble bee pissed on an agent and had a sector 7 shirt on. Thats were so many people are failing to realize. It was, and for most was an action movie. Not the next academy award winning "film" You want one of those "films" go to the sundance film festevel. I don't think i would have wanted to see what some of the "die hards" would have wanted to see. First off, they did somthing right, cause like i said before, 95% of the "die hard fans" turned a 180 and enjoyed it. So obviously Micheal Bay made it at least some what what it "should have been". Second, please tell me your kidding right? Your going to talor a $150,000,000 movie based on only one johnera of people? From what some said the movie "should have been" it would have been farther from the origional than they claim this movie was. And when your making a movie of this magantude, sorry, but worring about who is going to see it going to be one of your main concerns. Thats how you get more work. You really think Micheal bay and the rest of the producers made this movie thinking.. "Hmm.. How can we talor this to everyone, but completely piss off all the 80's fan base to the point were they wouldn't want to come back and see it again? I know, lets add some comedy, turn Bumble Bee into a camaro, put flames on optimus prime, make the autobots all GM vehicles, and last but not least, make the most highly detailed CGI robots ever scene on film! There we go! Thats it! perfect.!!!" Um no. You have to apeal to everyone to make a movie sucessfull. Call it a sell out, but Bay and the rest will be called into work tommorow. Sure. I'm not saying that one scene is going to make the movie great, i'm just saying thati can't beilve that there wasn't one part that he didn't get a little kick out of. Based on his coments in previous posts it sounded like he preety much had his mind made up. He claiimed that the acting was horrible based on a 2 minute trailer. Com'on dude. I could see if he waited to see the movie first, but based on a 2 minute trailer doesn't make sense. And personaly, i thought the acting was preety good. i really don't see where your getting that the acting was lame. As for the character designs, i've gone though that many times. When you have a movie like this, you need to take full advantage of the technolgy available. Becasue like it or not, thats what people are going to remember the most. 80's cartoons on the big screen wouldn't have cut it. As i and many have already said before, most felt the movie was great. Dispite on what you and others claim what it "should have been". :-P For me personally, i'm more into transformers than ever. I just recently picked up a the Energon series. (pure crap. Couldn't even finish it.) and amlooking for the original series on DVD. Even found one of my dinobots in storage the other day! He's missing a leg though. :-(

Great ideas! For police, i would have liked to see a full mobile comand rig insteadof the survailance truck, but at i'll hold off judgment till i see it. I really like your ideas afor Octane. The tow truck is a great idea. I alos like the Octane tanker. But i think that an 8 wide would be better suited for a tanker. This would be really sweet!... a super B style tanker would be awsome, but expensive. but either way it would be nice. Or a tanker like this. My vote is for the super b, but the second tanker would be nice too!

You couldn't be more wrong. First off, it really was about the robots. And as much as we would have all loved to see the bots on the screen 100 percent of the time, but lets be honest and realistic. that just couldn't have happened. Budget and time are all contributing factors to that. Thats why companies like GM steped in and helped cut the bill to have a few of there cars in the movie (whitch took absolutly nothing away from it. The 08 Camarocouldn't have been a better choice for bumble bee, and rachets H2 emergency vechile was just as good. Acttually, I felt all the bots alternates were perfect.) The story needed humans in it to get an understanding of how/why the bots are on earth. One of the big problems of the "die hard 80" fans fail to realise is that there not the only ones going to see this movie. The script was NOT bad. It was very good. so yes, it WAS nessasary. Perfect? No. But you name one movie that is. The comedy was great. Maybe if you had a sense of humor you might realise that. But no. You claim that they took a movie that was based on an 80's cartoon and toy line wasn't taken seriously enough becase the sector7 guy had on a shirst with a big "7"on it. :-| I understand that your not going to please everyone with a movie like this. But everytime a "die hard fan" or whatever they want to call themselfs bitches about how horrible it was, or how much it wasn't what TF really is, none of them can give a good example of what it should have been. The ones that do say they wanted somthing more dark and sinister and just outright destructive. now i might have been out of the loop for a while with TF, but even i know that couldn't be farther from what the 80's cartoon was. Its TF, not a fucken horror movie. About 95% of the people who saw it who had claimed "Micheal Bay runined there childhood" before even seeing the movie,tunred a 180 and said the movie was good. But there's that 5% that just aren't going to be happy unless they see a movie version of the first episode on the big screen. Are you trying to tell me that there wasn't one just one part of the movie that you liked? How about the opening scene when Blackout attacked? Or when the autobots rolled though the alley to meet up with bumble bee? Barricades introgation or sam? Again, the movie wasn't perfect, but most people have at least found one scence or thing about the movie that they liked. I can't beilve that you being a TF fan couldn't find at least one thing you liked about the hole flick. But to be honest, you preety much had your mind made up about it before you saw it.

Nice finds with the stories. You guys don't have deluxe figures over in the UK yet? Were on the second wave in the states. probbly going to to get 08 Bumble Bee camaro tommorw. So its the 27th. Seen the movie yet? I'm curious to see how you likes it.

If the horse team comes with a truck and trailer, i think i might have to add it to my collection!

Well, from what i understand, bay isn't the easiest director to work for. Hecanbevery tough at times,but he is also the finnal say in who is going to be in the movie. So they might be sucking up to get into the sequel. Though i would think Shia Lebloef and Megan fox would be defanates.