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But the Scum didn't know that. They knew that everyone who had posted a code publicly was vanilla. So all they had to do was choose from those who hadn't posted codes (and weren't themselves on the Scum team) to hit people with Night Actions. You essentially narrowed down the field for them by 6 players as to who had Night Actions (minus of course the Scum who claimed vanilla publicly).
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There were a few things that happened like that. I asked if I should claim bulletproof and jamesn told me Zepher would just accuse me of being the bulletproof Serial Killer. I even told you to kill me. Well, after the fact I said you should've but that's because I had expected you to. I had a blast too and I'm sorry I was out to destroy you. I was having fun Scum-hunting and then Night Action submission would come around and I'd think "Oh crap, I'm not Town."
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Luckily I didn't use any until Night 7! I imagine it would've played out very differently had I been targeted earlier in the game. The janitor was so aggravating coupled with the stumps. Janitor is a really powerful Scum tool. I do think that even a one-shot bulletproof vest can make a player bulletproof through the whole game. Once someone tries to kill a player and it doesn't work they may never try to kill that person again. But this could've turned out any which way at all. I'm glad I never got lynched. I was nervous on Day Three with seemingly half the Town and the stumps screaming for my head.
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Who? I forgot to thank Walter for hosting an awesome game! It was clever and definitely not typical so there might have been a few bumps. But for a first game especially, really great job. I have some feedback but I'll save that for my next homework break. Obviously, I had a blast and I appreciate your patience with me constantly pestering you.
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I would expect you to want clarification. You had an awesome game and it's clear you put a lot of work in. Great job to you and Bob. The only reason I was considering killing either one of you on Night Seven was to kill Town. At one point I typed either in thread or to Tammo that the Scum team was acting like Ragnarok Redux and that you were likely heading them up and this was Day Three or Four but my track pad made the page go back and I thought the idea was a little Scummy and thought twice and the idea totally went away. Until you asked me if Lego Spy was the vig! Give me some credit! (Not that you weren't. I'm just responding to when you told me to give you some credit to fishing about Lego Spy the night he was killed.) I also like the part of the Scum board where they think I'm the bomb.
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Here's my full confession. Keep in mind it was in the game so the voice is a little smug-in-character. I decided not to vote and let Walter reveal the surprise as opposed to being an attention hog and trying to control the reveal and...well, being typical me. "So, this is my 23rd game here on EB Mafia. And when I drew the Serial Killer card, it was only my second time playing this role. The first was during Mystical Castle and I got lynched on Day Two. I was so disappointed. I think of Serial Killer as a balancing measure and my name is the Nihilist, so I just thought I was going to have a little fun killing, get caught on Day Three or Four and get lynched. I thought Bobby called me Nihilist at one point and feared the Scum had used a role cop on me. Anyway, I thought I’d be nihilistic. I’m often targeted by investigators or trackers and a killing action always has the possibility of being caught by a watcher. My win condition was that I win only if I kill everyone. I didn’t think that was possible. So I was just going to randomly kill people I didn’t think would be watched. So I took out Buck on Night One for metagame reasons. I always have to explain things to him like eight times and then he thinks I’m Scum because I am explaining things and I didn’t feel like dealing with him. Night One there were only two kills and I didn’t know which kill hadn’t gone through and I loved the idea that the town (possibly minus the vigilante) didn’t even know there was a Serial Killer yet. How fun would it be to not kill for a couple of nights and avoid detection? It would be easy to play Town because I don’t know who the Scum are so I could still Scum-hunt. But, lo and behold, Walter said he’d mod-kill me if I didn’t turn a kill in, otherwise known as compulsory Serial Killer. Then Waldorf contacted me and said I had been investigated as an Oak. I actually typed, “No I’m not, Scummo!” But I deleted that and started talking to him, like any Townie would to figure out if he was legit. I even asked my good buddy Bruce to help me think of how to verify this investigator and he told me he had been investigated too. Damn the luck. So, like a good Townie, I told him my role which was the angelic bulletproof Townie. And he told me he was the vig! About that time entered one of the most important parts of my game. Anyone who has been the sole remaining Scum or a Serial Killer knows that it can be maddening not being able to discuss strategy with anyone. Then my conscience PMed me! She calls her self Evil Jiminy, but I call her Pandora. She thought I was Scum and I told her I was SK and expressed a desire to not kill to throw everyone off. When she heard I’d made contact with the vig, she suggested that I target the same person as the vig to hide my kill. It’s so brilliant. I wish I had thought of it myself, but I didn’t. So a huge thanks to Evil Jiminy for not only coming up with that but for being someone I could discuss strategy with throughout the game. I had a partner in this and it was somewhat unfair that you all had to contend with the two of us. Somewhat… But I did start thinking of trying to win. I’ve seen other serial killers give themselves away by having a flippant attitude towards the game or not seeming to care who gets lynched or even night-killed. So, it was easy to care because I love scum-hunting (even though it’s clear I suck at it now) and I was really invested in finding out who the Scum were to try to whittle it down to one of each. And the Town-tell in this game was to act Scummy! I wish I could say I purposely got Townies lynched but I really thought I was finding Scum. Scummy scummy Town. So, I target Agnes on Night Two because Bruce did too. He was our jailkeeper. That was our only means of protection or blocking, it seems. Our? I mean the Oak’s. On Night Three, I targeted Barry because Bruce was too. But, long after the deadline, Bruce PMed me to tell me that Barry was a neutral bomb that converted into a killer on Night Four. Which is ludicrous. But Bruce believed it and changed his target to Bobby. So, oops. I killed separately from the vig, but we scored probably our first Scum. And I couldn’t even claim that I had killed him! Bruce stayed home on Night Four, so I killed Maggie. Alder thanked me for saving him from a mod kill since Maggie was quitting the game. So, the Town got a freebie there. Night Five, I targeted Nash along with Bruce. Night Six, Bruce stayed home again, so I killed William because I didn’t know if he was Town and didn’t want an un-lynchable player in the game. It was at this point that Alder first explained that I could win with the Scum or Town. Had I known that from the beginning, I might’ve played differently. But up to that point I had been barreling through as a nihilist so I just kept going. I considered telling the Stumps but that was a fleeting idea. Night Seven, I killed Bob. I wish I could say that I had figured him out. I actually killed him because I knew that in order for me to score a pure win (where the Town or Scum don’t win with me) I needed it to be me, one Townie and one Scummo. We had lynched the obviously Scummy Adelaide so killing Sammy, the other obvious Scum, would end my ability to win the game on my own. So, I killed Sue since she was likely Town! Great job, Sue. Anyway, Evil Jiminy and I discussed this in circles. After Sue flipped Scum I considered I was wrong about Sammy and was afraid I was here with two Townies. But when Lassie came in and tried to accuse me of being Scum I knew that I had it down to one of each and can take the game by myself. Then things escalated and it became clear over the course of yesterday that Lassie is the remaining Scum. So, it was Barry, Peter, Jack, Sue and Lassie as the Maples. I don’t know if I, or Pandora and I, will ever be able to be the sole winner of a game again. This is a once in a lifetime EB Mafia opportunity. In order to win, with one Scum, me and a Townie left… I need to vote: Sammy Sycamore (Fugazi). I’m sorry. My ego wants the win but my conscience feels bad for the Town that worked really hard for the win. But, anyone who knows me knows my ego trumps my conscience. Hard truths. I almost don’t want to hit post. But almost doesn’t cut it. Sorry! "
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Actually, we could've won together. But, I chose to take the win. I didn't think I'd ever again have the opportunity to be the sole winner of a game. Sorry. Ego... Don't hate me. I killed Sammy because in order to win I had to kill the Town before they could and then kill the Scum on hypothetical Night Nine. Because Day Nine is hypothetical and ends in a draw vote and me killing you because I'm still bulletproof. My favorite parts of the Scum board are them trying to decipher my code, when they think I'm not the SK and when they think LEGO Spy is the vig.
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I wanted to not kill in order to confuse everyone as to the existence of a Serial Killer, however I was compulsory (which is why I asked Tammo on Night One, hypothetically who he would kill if he was compulsory. Kind of setting myself to claim vig if one got killed without claiming or I thought I could get away with saying there were two, which there has been). But Pandora, who helped me through a lot of the game suggested targeting the same person as Tammo, since Tammo claimed vig to me on Day Two. All the details of my game are in my confession, which I'll post later, but Pandora deserves a special shout-out. She provided me the ability to discuss strategy and vent that I wouldn't have had if it were truly just me the whole time. I couldn't have won this without her. I was afraid it would eventually become apparent that I was targeting the same player as Tammo. Like the night he was targeting jluck but switched and told me after the NA deadline so I hit jluck anyway. Hilarious. Also, he never told me his exact target so we'd discuss the possibilities and I had to guess who he was hitting. This game hurt my brain in many ways.
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Oh, um....hi. Sorry everyone. How was I investigated as Town? I will finally look that gift horse in the mouth. Fantastic game, everyone. Especially the invisible Scum. Were all of the Scum caught by accident? I think so. Amazing game, you guys. I wrote a confession to vote with but ended up not using it. I'll post that in a little bit.
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Unrest in the Forest: Confirmation & Discussion
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
Asterisks??? Scum!!!! -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
Proof? You really do need to brush up. We don't get proof. But if you were the Serial Killer, you would've said so by now, I freakin' hope. I'm not the Serial Killer. Therefore there can't be any Scum left because then who killed Sue? Sue was the last Scum. Lassie is the Serial Killer. You and I are Oaks. Period. I cannot think about this any more. I need to move on with my life. I need to jump off the cliff and vote for myself even though I'd much rather just abstain. But instead of holding my breath and forcing everyone to wait for 48 hours for it to truly be an abstention, I'll just freakin' do it. vote: me, Simon Persimmons (Hinckley) I'm so freaking scared right now... -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
Um... The Serial Killer wins? I think. I don't know. Why? Should I not abstain? This game is going to break my brain! Wait. If you're not the Serial Killer, then there is no Scum. So there's nothing to worry about. Are you saying you are the Serial Killer? I'm confused. I need to not think about this anymore. Can't I just abstain? Voting myself feels dirty. I've never done it. This game needs to end. I have homework... -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
But, I'll explode. Alder, can I abstain? -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
If Lassie thinks this is true but voted for Sammy, then she has to be the Serial Killer herself. The Scum would want to take the Serial Killer out. And judging by Sammy's behavior, I believe–finally–that he is an Oak as well. I'm an Oak so I think we should not lynch. It's been a crazy game and I like the idea of us winning together. Can I abstain Alder? I don't want to vote for myself. This game so weird, I'm afraid I'd self-destruct or something. Eeeew! That freaked me out. Do you think I made the right choice? Abstaining is the right move, right? Where's Alder? Wait, please. Let me make sure the Stumps think this is the right move. -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
This game is such a roller coaster. I need to take a look at the day...probably everything...and figure out what to do. I'll try to be as quick as possible. -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
I believe you are mistaken about that. So then you're confessing to being the Serial Killer? -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
You played a great game, but you aren't an Oak. Here's one of those dramatic Mafia moments I just live for. The big reveal. I should probably wait for Sammy to answer my PM, but the more I think about it, the more I think he's Town. Maybe Serial Killer, but I don't think he would've made himself so conspicuously Scummy if he were that. Sammy, you may call me stubborn after this but I will just sit in my tunnel and plug my ears! Here's what I think. Sammy wasn't fishing. He was trying to talk to us about if there was possibly still a Scum killer. Because, guess what? If he's Town and Lassie is SK, the Oaks have already won. He was trying to find out if there was a way a Scum killer had been blocked or were they just gone. Because if they are gone, he's suggesting that he's OK with the Serial Killer winning too. It's exactly what he said. If people would just listen to him already! If there are two Oaks and a Serial Killer, we're still here because the SK has a chance to win along with us. For reasons I'll save until later, the only reason I believe he would think this way is if he's an Oak. Thanks to Lassie for making a statement that caused me to take a closer look at things. I highly reccomend playing Mafia on a stair-master. It keeps you focused. Clears out the clutter. Anyway, if Sammy's the SK, then Lassie is Scum and we definitely need to lynch her. Maybe that's why Walter told Sammy Sue was Scum. It might've come up in talks about win conditions. Who knows? But why would he have known Adelaide's too, then? Damn it. I thought I was onto something. Maybe I still am. So, the serial killer would have to kill both Townies to win and if Lassie is SK and Sammy is Town and we lynch him, she kills me at night and wins. So, if we wait until the night time, she can only kill one of us and then she wins along with us. If she's Scum wouldn't she just win by killing either one of us, too? Wait, no. She would get killed by the SK unless she kills him today. That's why she started the day poking both of us! So she is Scum and Sammy is the SK, that's why he's suggesting we all win together! Because he likes us. I should get back on the Stairmaster. I think I'm losing my clarity. But maybe I am right. Lassie is Scum so she started the day by poking both of us to see how we reacted. Sammy was suggesting a no-lynch to be nice and let everybody (except the Scum) win and Lassie is sure of that after seeing our reactions and tried to kill him. Right? I shouldn't type my thoughts out as I have them. Sorry. I shouldn't have posted all that I'm re-reading it to try to weed out the crazy and see if we can salvage anything from it. One things for sure, I need another break from Mafia. My reads suck! Get it? That's why he wanted to know if we had a way to protect or block. Sammy, has it been that long that you've forgotten that killing Scum doesn't block their kill? OK, Sorry, one more post. If Lassie is the SK, then Waldorf got the right reads, naive or not! -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
I actually think I finally have the right read! Stumps, I wish I could communicate clearly. I think I know exactly what has happened. It's still possible,that it's slightly off but I now agree with Sammy about not voting today. I can't say why yet but I'll try to get you some info in code. All I needed was to slow down and read everything. Spaz Mafia is dangerous. Oh good, I can explain my thought process now. But I'll wait until I get home. Sammy, you're either Oak or SK, and I believe we can win with you if you are, so I won't be voting for you. Let's figure out if we want to lynch Lassie. If you aren't the SK, then you need to brush up your Town game. You're Scummy as hell -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
The more I think about this the more I can't understand where the numbers are or were. I should really learn to listen to you better. Walter lists one of each as a possible scenario. Oaks win if the Scum is lynched. If Lassie were non-Oak why wouldn't she just echo my suspicions of Sammy and be done with it? Meanwhile Sammy was suggesting we no-lynch. Either way, as a host, I think I would've ended it at Adealide's lynch. I'm at the gym but I'm going to check Mafiascum when I get home. Do we have EB precedence for this? Maybe Walter listed all possibilities to keep it fair to whoever might be left. If that is the case, then I would guess...oh God...now I understand what Sammy is suggesting. I need to slow down. Lassie please clarify the discrepancy I pointed out in your two statements about Sue's alignment. -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
This was pinged me earlier about Lassie. The points about dismissing suspicion of Sue and concentrating on Adelaide and Ash are more incriminating now. Plus she was poking about Chester the night Peter killed him. Sue hammered Jack. maybe Lassie started the vote so they could both hide in plain sight, as it were. -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
I suppose I could reveal the one part since everyone has mentioned their communications from Alder. There are two possibilities he listed as having one Maple left. So if he's listing it as a possibility, somehow it's possible. Lassie's post really pings me. Eventually Alder clarified he forgot to tell me who was left. He clarified something else that I need further clarification on and hopefully he'll allow me to share when he does. I can't help but let it affect my thinking. Right now it makes me lean more towards Sammy as Oak or SK and Lassie as Scum. It would certainly stick with the theme of all of my reads being wrong. However, I can't for my life figure out why anyone would suggest not voting. Yes the stumps told me not to vote, but Sammy suggested not voting because he thinks we will all win together. Someone who has played as much as him should know that if the three of us could win together, there wouldn't even be a day 8! Plus he seems to have been told Adelaide was Town as well. Is that what you were saying, Sammy? Lassie, did Alder tell you about Adelaide's affiliation as well? Which is it, Lassie? William already told me that when he died. That's not news. -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
Don't leave me alone here! I'm scared... Stumps!!! OK, We don't need to megabluck the codes. I have something. ALDR SUXT 1 PSBL n3372 n4209 n6609 n7019 doesn't want BREK ROL5, but n3610 n4209, maybe. You have to do a little work there. Sorry... -
Unrest in the Forest - Day 8: Moving Pictures
Hinckley replied to Walter Kovacs's topic in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games
I'm checking with Walter about something but what you've said here is very strange considering the conversation I just had with him. So, are you suggesting I would be a Scum that the Scum clearly targeted last night and who let one of their own target a bomb? So, one of you is making an illogical hypothesis and the other is trying to get the other two not to vote. I'm in a bad forest... At least you showed how quickly Lassie latched onto it. I'm worried about my chances of surviving the day, little Stumpies ... I think I know which of the three possible options Alder gave me is the one I'm in.