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n136 says he MPRV n4244 and SUXT n3372 and to n139 and SUXT n4209. As a XESA, supposedly a SWZM because n136 SUXT Hero. But maybe he won't. If it sounds crazy then you've probably got the interpretation right, because it sounds ducked to me.

You reminded me that you knew of our plan to verify Waldorf wasn't naive, we believed he was Town since Clem had cleared him and was a stump. I never agreed Waldorf was killed by the SK. While I don't know for sure, it makes more sense that your team the Scum killed him. You do not seem like an Oak to me at all

Right? Beats me. Two Scum remaining, that's what I think. Miss you.

I quoted posts from Sammy that were over-confident you'd flip Scum and be janitored, didn't I? Try the words Private Message. Sammy came up with the idea simultaneously, which annoyed me since I wanted to keep that between me, Bruce and Waldorf. I'm glad to be reminded about it since, if he is Scum and had a role cop, we told him he had been cleared. Perhaps he wanted to get rid of the investigator who cleared him. He really can't open his mouth in this game without saying something Scummy The timing of Waldorf's death seems all the more ominous now.

Since we were confident both investigators were Oaks, we had Waldorf target you to see if he came up with a Town result to prove or disprove the theory that he could be naive. Unfortunately, he was killed that night. Since there was suspicion around Maggie seeming to be protected by Barry when Bruce asked him to kill her, I assume the Scum wouldn't want to kill her and have her around as a potential mislynch. I think the Serial Killer killed Maggie and the Scum killed Waldorf.

Oh, sorry. Try PRVM And can vouch for Sammy on that. He brought his suspicions to me in private before outlining them in thread. We only tested Nash from his list of suspects. I think after Berty flipped as an Oak and Peter was janitored we thought that meant Adelaide and Sue both more likely to be Town since they had voted for him.

OK Stumps, n136 XESA PMPM n4244 n139 and SUXT n2014 and n3372. So, there's that.

Why do I like this game? I don't feel confident at all. Stumps? You think this is right still? I should really look at all of the days again but this one Simon guys just keeps talking it's hard to read through them all. I will make time to do that.

Or he's a neutral bomb that converts to a killer on Day 4...

Here's where I accuse him. Check the above quotes. No mention of Adelaide. And then he repeats the confusion about the same post Adelaide quoted to me in private. Odd that they both responded the same way to the same post. And Jack clarified it over 48 hours before Adelaide uses that excuse for me in private. Then, over 24 hours after I tell him about the block, his first suspicion of Adelaide (that day, maybe throughout the entire game) is mentioned. Once he realized we had a Night Action implicating him, here comes the first major suspicion articulated from Jack. We kept telling him he was talking codes and mechanics and only when he's confronted with evidence against him we get a thorough case against Adelaide. This would be a great ploy to try and keep Adelaide safe on Day 7. Reminds me a bit of Adelaide and Sue today: That's bad timing, Adelaide...24 hours for you guys to formulate a plan to keep you safe today. And the end of the day looks like you guys got your scripts confused. No mention that I already clarified with him that he wasn't investigated. That would've made Adelaide's argument null. He's defining votes that matter in a way you don't understand but you assume he's just making an innocent mistake? Your interpretation of his vote analysis should conclude he could be up to something. An Oak would not be able to say for certain why that weird definition of votes that matter was happening. And I'd say he was proactive but not anti-Maple. Especially with his panicked fishing at the beginning of Day 6. In looking at your interaction it does look like you guys wanted to appear to not be on the same side. Lassie did an awesome analysis of who probably weren't working together earlier on and couldn't read Jack. Couldn't clear him from working with anybody. I don't look at your interaction throughout the game and conclude that you're not on the same team. And the things you point to as your innocence, the suspicion from Jack and spearheading the codes would be WIFOM if you're Scum. Yes, it could mean you're an Oak but looking at what you asked us to, I feel a little more comfortable with the consensus to lynch you. I really hope we are right.

It was part of the code for whatever reason. But it's such a great gambit. I don't know what the Scum have had in their arsenal this whole time. It may have been worth the risk. It's also something we were likely to come up with on our own and you (and Sammy?) both beat us to it to appear Townie. It was great work. I'm just not sure it was really for the Oaks. You were my the first person I put in the Scum column on my spreadsheet when you sent me a message on Day One telling me the other people who were PMing me were Scum. There have been a lot of leads to follow so I didn't focus on you after that and your formation of the codes certainly took me off your trail as a priority, but I always got a sense of non-committal suspicion from you. You'd have solid ideas but if they were ignored you didn't do anything to make your points clearer. I will probably find examples of that as I look over the days. It's early so if we find we're wrong, we can turn this train around.

Supposed? Are you suggesting there is no consensus? I don't think the stumps would let me announce their collective will falsely. I'll check for that through more than just yesterday. You're really really smart. Scary smart. I'll update this in a little while.

Adelaide appears to be the consensus from the living and the stumps or living-impaired as they apparently prefer to be called. I haven't hammered yet so vote: Adelaide Apple (TinyPiesRUs) Wheee! Hammer. Let's hope this is the last day then. Maybe you guys smelled a sting operation?

Same here. But I'm not sure there aren't two of them. Have you conferred with the other stumps? And for God's sake, n3800 3168?? Sorry, n3800 Claudio?? or n5333 3669??

It gives me a ping towards Sammy.

Let's take a look of this to clear some things up. Jack is responding to Catarina's suggestion that he killed and janitored and he scoffs at that suggestion. Like any Oak would've done, Catarina looked up janitor on Mafiawiki when Alastair first was plucked. A janitor, in its purest form, is a killer that can hide the body of its victim. Jack clearly doesn't think of this as the definition and doesn't know why anyone would think this so the ridiculousness is his own defense. Some games Scum can swap roles around, but since Jack is dead and there was no janitor, it's safe to assume the role was separate and the Scum did kill on Night Two. As I pointed out, it also seemed like he knew the Scum had killed Vickory. It's still possible they could swap roles around and the reason there is no more janitor is because they had to choose to discard one role since the were down to too few players. This is suspiciously close to Alastair's "Hey I'll make you a bet, Bruce. Remove your vote and see if others follow. Accident or design? Because here he's nonsensically trying to pretend that Alastair's janitoring–which is truly a word–meant something. So this is a fat glass of WIFOM about Alastair's alignment. Reading this quote and not knowing Alastair's alignment gives me a headache. Makes my skin crawl Another Sammy ping. Think that Hazel is an Oak and read that quote again. Keep in mind it was the second time he brought it up as a reason not to vote for Jack and he was right on my heels with that vote. And now for my daily apology . William, I'm so sorry I misread you. This seems like a thing in this game. Nobody is allowed to vote for a person after a hammer. That's new to me. Is this the same type of thing that Jack was accusing Adelaide of? And similar to what Adelaide is now accusing Sue of? Sue has done some weird voting, at least as far as being accompanied with explanations. This is far off from Adelaide's voting for Nash for having "Scum written all over him" though. Or is it? Maybe I'm not understanding. These voting after the hammer suspicions are so nuanced I kind of glaze over when I start reading them. But Sue hammered Jack after going after Adelaide all day and not mentioning Jack at all and she also almost hammered Hazel, who might be Town, after I asked her to but Nash had already hammered. That was another discrepancy; Sue saying that the Scummiest thing she had seen in the game was Hazel quitting. Sounds like Peter and Sammy's confidence in Hazel being Scum and Berty being janitored, respectively. Quick run-down: Definite Scum: Jack Peter Barry Hopefully Scum: Alastair Probably not Scum: Hazel as much as I hate to admit after railing against the idea for so long. It paints an interesting picture of what certain people have been saying and doing. Sorry, I quoted that because I wanted to read it in my temple and forgot to move it. Would the two remaining Scum try to split the votes between themselves? That makes me feel really lonely. Thanks BB. Let me grab my codes and check what the hell you're saying. Just post that list in the Stump PM and I can just refer to that instead of switching. It will make my life much easier. Thank you. What?? OK. I was leaning the other way, but I'll look very closely at everything. Aha! n3372. Probably. Aaaaw. Good for him. I'm impressed, really. I will work that out. I need n3800 Claudio or n3372? from n4913.

Then again, if either one of you was Scum you'd be jumping all over my suspicion of Sammy. Unless you really want to bus each other. I'm going to lose my mind. And yet this is really exciting Mafia. His last login was about 21 hours ago.

I feel like you two have somewhat crawled out of the woodwork to start accusing each other. You've been active but this is the most I remember either of you suspecting anyone and supporting it with behavioral analysis. It feels like a performance between the two remaining Scum. And me, without any popcorn.

I feel that with me himming and hawwing and basically doubting the lynch the whole way, it was the perfect opportunity for someone to not join the bandwagon, let alone hammer. But, it's totally possible that what you are suggesting is true. It could've been down to the two of them and they felt Jack being lynched or vig-killed was inevitable and their best bet at making it through to the end was hammering him. I do see your point. This is going to be difficult to figure out who is lying. There are five skilled vets remaining.

Of course they are. That was the point of the codes. I'll find what page they're on. I sent on two different days. This is a great point, but what of Sammy being framed or the Godfather? What do you think of the points I made about Sammy's behavior being Scummy? Bruce, pages 13 & 22.

Ask Waldorf what I said. Important question in there for you.

Crazy... OK, I'll work it out. Thank you.

If the Town and Scum are equal, then neither has met their win conditions. The Scum haven't outnumbered us because of the existence of the Serial Killer. Our win condition as worded in the rules is to kill all the Scum so the Serial Killer can join the ride and win with us. The game only ends when Scum and Town are tied and there is no neutral party remaining to break the tie vote. Despite your wording, the post still seemed dismissive like you were trying to lead others to not think of it as possible as well. You're a very different Sue than I'm used to. Whatever side you're on, that's a compliment. You're playing a lot better. I bet if you're Scum, you really want to win this...and you're so close...

This is ominous. I think the situation you are proposing is possible and would not end the game as nobody's win conditions would be met. Trying to discard one possible scenario is Scummy and makes me think it is the situation we're in and you're a part of it. Serial Killer and Scum aren't non-Town in the sense that we have to beat them both. Our win condition is to kill all of the Maples. Your post is misleading as to the possible mechanics. What you're trying to say is not possible I believe is entirely possible. We might have even seen it on EB before. It rings a very faint bell. Now we have to decide if that's deliberate on your part or not. And if you're trying to confuse us on the number of Scum or the existence of a Serial Killer. I have the feeling Lassie and I are Oaks. It feels like we're up against 3 Scum. It will be interesting when voting opens. What do the Stumps (meaning Berty, Waldorf and Catarina ) think at this point as the best lynch? I want to lynch all three. Waldorf? Bruce? I have a pretty detailed question hanging out there for you guys. Would love confirmation.

Oh, right. The days are blending together. Who's doing that?