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Everything else you did more than made up for it. Next time, don't choose such a Scummy role, though.

Except she was going to say she was a Jack-of-all-Trades if you pressed her any further. Seriously, our role claims did us in a bit as well. I was a two-shot bodyguard, and DarkDragon and Bob both claimed Scum roles. Even tracker is more likely to be a Scum role. Ooops. However, Scouty, I think if she had converted WBD and lived, which would've given us two kills, we would've gotten rid of the dumb Watcher and you wouldn't have suspected WaterbrickDown since you would've seen the Scum killing at night. That's assuming a lot and would've been hard to accomplish if Draggy had two blocks and someone else would've had to be less confirmed that DarkDragon at that point, but still... anyway. Ugh, how aggravating was it watching the Town switch vote targets three or four times a day? The last minute lynch of Bob was really annoying as we had a good plan worked out and then lost him in the last few hours of the day. Stupid Town beating the Scum. How could you?

Also, you wanted to show that Draggy was killing and accusing Townies left and right.

I made up one or two. Who did roleclaim to me: Draggy, Chromeknight, badboy. I think that was it... I knew you because Draggy said he was in contact with a protector. Foog had been talking to the tracker. I was pretty close to knowing what the Town was capable of. I never knew who the Watcher was. I only knew Fugazi was the vig because we used the role investigator on him. Fhomess never told me he had the bulletproof vest. I was just trying to drive a wedge between Chromeknight and whoever he trusted enough to give an invention to on Night One. I had no idea what Chromeknight was telling me when it came to his role mechanics. I didn't want to clarify because I didn't want him to think I was prying and asking for Scummy reasons. But the random blank and the ascetic and the fact that he couldn't choose the invention , it had me really confused. I think most of it was that he thought bulletproof was useless so he referred to it as such. Combine that with the blanks and I couldn't figure out if he had succeeded in giving someone an invention on Night One or not.

Correction: That was me, Shadows and Stash. And you were still alive, so it had to have been more fun for you.

No, I read it. It was a rather safe wager for you to make. Either way, it was fun to watch people arguing so vehemently and both be wrong.

I don't see it that way.

I'm basing that on your wager, not your abilities...

That's a discussion we would've had if you hadn't thought I was a cult leader. At no point did I direct anything. We discussed it. You made me believe we had come to that conclusion together. No matter how hard I tried to discuss all possibilities, you still thought I was trying to keep badboy alive because we were a cult. Which is weird since I discussed everything with you guys. We even talked about the investigator being the more important role to get rid of and I explained why I thought Draggy was the better target. I even said something like "Am I being petty since it was Draggy who caused my lynch? I really think he's the one that everyone will trust tomorrow. This may be the only opportunity to kill him and keep the Town disorganized." I'm disappointed that you felt I was directing. I thought I was gathering everyone's opinions and we were all discussing all of the possibilities together. We changed a lot of our targets through our discussion and came up with a lot of ideas together. I never would've done something we hadn't discussed and I never used my conversion action even though I thought we had some really good targets and we changed my night action submission 5 times on Night Two. But, I did what you wanted me to, even thought we should use it.

Thanks. Like I said, the change in attitude wasn't really a change in attitude. I was just as annoyed with both PMs that you were trying to "leverage your vote" *cough* blackmail *cough*. Honestly, I've never encountered such a thing. That's another thing a couple people did to me during this game that pissed me off. I said I was going into a meeting with the one PM, so it didn't reflect my true reaction because I was megablocking busy. I was god damn busy, people. Stop megablocking pestering me . No, that's not all for you, Scumba. There were a couple paranoid freakouts by PM from people who wanted responses now now now. Shut up. I agree 100%. I was most impressed with DarkDragon whose Scum game in Excalibur was rather transparent compared to the mastermind we saw in this one. I loved the risk in contacting WaterbrickDown, not to mention the deduction that he was the serial killer...I mean other vig. With a better roleclaim, I think you could've led the Scum team to a win! I'd say you both should play the next Mafia School game but I wouldn't wish that on the other students...

It's not you at all. I think I'm the only person who likes you. I particularly think it's funny when you think I'm treating you like a child. I don't even know or care how old you are. I think you're a brilliant player. Everything I did in PM is exactly what I would've done with you if I were Town. I can see now where you thought you struck a nerve. That would seem rather telling. But, that post was based on what I got in my conversations with Cornelius and Foog. You're going to be a dick, I accept that. That's your tactic. From what I know of you, you don't treat other people like that outside of games. I hate to disappoint you, but I like you. Thank you!

And another thing: I took some notes during the game. This is my favorite: It was rather funny watching my behavior analyzed after I was lynched. The funniest part was how many things I didn't do that people were assuming I did. This wasn't the only example. Some of the analysis included the opposite of what I actually did. A lot of which revolved around the Genaro lynch, actually. For example, someone said I wasn't interested in the Genaro lynch when fhomess first mentioned it which is rather funny because I posted right after it saying I thought it was a good case and would vote for him if people thought the Draggy "joke" situation was just a misunderstanding. That was ignored by a number of people, including Draggy, who said Town-Hinck is indecisive and wishy-washy, when I had just himmed and hawed over whether or not people thought the situation warranted the battle and if we should concentrate on fhomess's case against Genaro instead.

One more thing: I thought it was weird that on more than one occasion people were thinking that some player's defenses were written by other people. I happen to know that both times they were not actually composed by other players. I can't ever remember actually composing someone else's response for them in any situation. On a Scum team, it would be horribly risky. Not to mention, that if I did compose someone's reply, I would mimic their style of posting... And the one that was compared to mine and the way it ended with a few questions? I'm not the only person who asks questions after trying to postulate theories. It's called encouraging discussion...

He's the most successful vig in Mafia history and we robbed him of it to try to win the game. It would've worked if it wasn't for you meddling kids! Ironically, the fact that TinyPies gave the Town two vigs for some reason is the thing that brought us down in the end. Everyone thought WBD was lying about being a vig, when it was the one thing he was telling the truth about. So having two vigs ducked us in the beginning of the game because he was a genius and kept taking us out and it ducked us in the end of the game because the Town also agreed that there should only be one vig... I agree with this. We were actually asked to stop posting so much at one point because it was hard to read everything. And I hear that Genaro was annoyed with my "meat-shield" of him, which wasn't even a meat shield. I talked through it step by step on the writeboard which was totally ignored by Bob and Sisco who swooped in and voted for Genaro without even discussing it. It was really weird. Not sure why you were still annoyed with me, Genaro, when I explained everything that was happening while it was happening and then yelled at the other two for causing the momentum to swing to you. Oh well. Then again, it's only a rumor so perhaps you are not annoyed at all. The irony of this is not lost on me. Perhaps I suck at playing Scum, I don't know. I do know I'll probably never talk to badboy during a game again. Both times in recent memory that I've been Scum, I've had badboy with an investigative role claim to me on Day One and it's totally ducked me both times. Granted, I tried to manipulate it this time and totally flubbed it while doing so, but still. Badboy, sorry. It's not your fault, I just can't let it happen again. Not to mention, you ran off to Scouty at the slightest inkling I wasn't telling the truth, which was the right thing to do since I was lying, but after I defended you from the lynch for two days, I was a little annoyed you wouldn't talk to me more about what was going on instead of just cutting me off. That's no fun, even if I am lying through my teeth. But, this all lead to the Scum team thinking I was a traitor cult leader spy. Yes, that's real. They thought that. The night I was lynched (TPRU let me stay in the game) we planned to ascetic kill Draggy to split up the Town block but the living Scum went for badboy instead thinking that I had converted him to a cult member. What? It's as ridiculous as the Town's belief that there were two factions with the same name whose leaders had to kill each other off. A theory reached because we were dropping like flies on the Scum team. I was pretty annoyed to be lynched and blind-sided with the Night Actions all in the same game day. But, I have the feeling that others had more fun in the game after I was gone. Maybe I was a bit too much of a spaz in the first three days. But, I do think it bears mentioning that some people, myself included, are just taking the game too seriously lately. I liked the game for the hosting aspect and the storytelling is amazing, as usual with TinyPies, but many people (not just Shadows ) behaved in ways that were really disappointing and not fun at all. That's just my opinion, but it left kind of a bad taste in my mouth for the current state of Mafia. Just my opinion. I do agree with this. Two vigs and a role that incriminated us instead of helping us manipulate really brought us down to our knees early. Two Scum were removed a night on Days Three and Five... that's a pretty powerful and well-equipped Town. Granted, the Town was working hard and that's the hardest obstacle for Scum to overcome. However, two vigs is overpowered from the beginning. To be honest, I have no idea why you would find that balanced, TinyPies. Sorry, that's harsh, but it's just a bit confounding. Random role selection led to two Mafia geniuses being said vigs, one of which was compulsory. That's a hard deck to be stacked against. Then, as Jim mentioned, we had our weird roles. The Prankster made me nervous that Jim was a usurper (yes, the mistrust was somewhat rampant for the Scum in the beginning). A role that did nothing? What's the point? Really, what was the point of that role? It had us really confused. I know Loki is the God of mischief, but... . I was the converter and I could convert two players to neutrals... This was really odd. When we got into trouble you let us convert neutrals to Scum. This doesn't work, in my opinion. A two step conversion process that comes complete with a warning that they've been converted to neutral? Weird... But, the conversion role itself was weird. The others didn't want me to use it, since they thought I was a cult leader... but even so, it was a messed up role. I wanted to convert badboy since it would have negated his role, but I never had the chance. Other than that, I can't see the role helping very much, at least not in the situation we created for ourselves. If we wanted to speed up the game towards the end and we were close with numbers, it would make a big difference, I guess. Killing one Townie and converting another gives doubles our pace for outnumbering them. That, I understand, but it caused a lot of trouble in the mean time. The worst, in my opinion, was the decoy. DarkDragon could target one person and all Night Actions targeted at that person went to her instead. But, it caused the Night Actions directed at her to be woozy and give that stupid "you think" result. Here's my biggest soapbox for the game: I think we're past the time when "You believe" or "you think" or "you quickly search" can be used as a "clue". It's been used often enough that it simply means you are getting the opposite result. In The Forest II, which I realize is my game to host and we can host things however we want so this is only my opinion, I let the framing action give a definite result. What is the point of a framing or tailoring action, otherwise if we're going to say "you think they are Scum" when we now know that the result means the person is Town...for the most part. Anyway, we took a huge risk in trying to manipulate the investigation results and it totally blew up in our faces. We chose to make a bold move and that's very risky for Scum. We thought the wooziness would be the only side effect. That would've been nice for badboy to report his result and I could tell Draggy he had wooziness like Scouty had. However, badboy was not only woozy, but got the "I believe" result as well. So, that got me killed and took a Night Action taken completely out of our repertoire because the results incriminated use more than helped us. After that, we couldn't see much use for it. What sucked most about that is I had just gotten the Scouty and Draggy situation smoothed out to a point where it seemed like they both actually trusted me and it was the "I believe" result that turned everything around on me. Maybe they would've turned on me anyway. Who can say for sure? I know Draggy was suspicious about me suggesting blocking targets, something I did only because that's what Town-Hinck does every game where he knows Power Roles. And I purposely did it as "just suggestions" in order to discuss similar suspicions, as I do every time I'm Town and I know someone's Power Role. But it went from Draggy claiming his role to me one day to accusing me the next day. And it was painfully obvious the protector you were talking to was Scouty, although you both tried to deny it. That "I believe" result was definitely a nail in my coffin, though. Like I said, maybe I just can't play Scum, but the fake result certainly didn't help anything. All of that being said, I did find it rather annoying that some people have certain expectations for how I behave during games as Town.Yet again, maybe I just suck at playing Scum, but there were a lot of "Hinck usually does this" flying around and some of them contradicted each other. There was a lot I did in this game that I based on things I've done as Town in other games. I even looked at some of my responses to similar situations in other games to get the same wording and mindset. Some people still saw through it but I think some people would've lynched me as a Townie in this game for some reason. I'm looking forward to playing again and I would love some more practice at playing Scum, but I'd like to wipe some of the behavior from this game, mine included, from my memory...

Great job, everybody! Thanks for hosting, TinyPiesRUs. That was a lot of fun and really exciting on many days! Most days, I had no idea who was going to be lynched until the last hours of the day. More, if provoked. I have a MOC of Hervi's pig farm. It has no roof yet...

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Yeah it is.

Sorry. I thought out of context it was harmless.

I found it. It was your spelling error.

Where were you in the US? From the design, it appears you were in Miami Beach, maybe?

Your face isn't a burn.

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Neither is your face.

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Then go back and read my first answer. If you're ever confused, you should do your best to find the answer yourself. That's the way we learn.