mostlytechnic

No need to quote everybody, but I'm still 50/50 on stump. I can see his arguments, but it's not solid and confirmed yet in my mind either way. I agree with hinck that all the god options were crappy for town and stumpy took the worst. And his dispute with the reveal plan was justifiable either way too - town legimately should have questioned and discussed and scum would have been opposed. More importantly, for today... I don't see a better option to vote against than Snake. I'd rather keep the pill around, but it's not critical and I don't see anyone other than him getting lynched unless we get solid evidence against the serial killer.

I sorta remember something about someone getting eaten, but it's not in the rules. I flipped through part of day 1 and didn't see anything there either - where's this from? Is it a real rule? Thanks for that reminder! As already stated though, while it means we can lymch him (assuming we can get all the townies in here to vote today and not have any slackers!), it'll also give the scum room to vote for him too and hide. So we REALLY need to have our night crew working to uncover scum for tomorrow's hunting!

Fakevote: Snake Charmer (DarthPotato) I'm all for lynching (well, trying to) snake charmer today. Either we get scum to join in, eliminate Snake, lose the lifesaver, and see what our night actions can bring, or the scum don't vote against him, make themselves obvious, and then we know who's scum. But I don't see any way we lynch anyone BUT him today unless the other target is actually town. So the choice really is between trying to lynch him or the town deliberately splitting the vote so we don't lynch a townie. Well, since I'm seen strongly town (which is correct), I'm going to take the Magical pill please. Potato had it day 1, Cult Leader on day 2. According to Leader it's a placebo, but I wanna verify - and I'm missing the second upper pill on my list. So either we lost it first day or someone's lying about a pill. Waiting to hear why stump is being defended... and I've been suspicious of witch for a long time. But at this point, the only chance we have of a lynch is the Potato (getting scum to vote against him to hide and eliminate the lifesaver) OR if we can agree on who the serial killer is and everyone take that person out together. So, anyone have any basis to suspect someone of being the SK?

Um, we've been discussing this plan ALL DAY. Some has been in thread, some behind the scenes. But any argument against it has had plenty of time to come out and be discussed. If you have specific issues, bring them out and we'll talk about it. But it's getting to be a little late for that... but as it stands, we've lost 6 town vs 1 scum, and the scum knew around half the pills (even before people started sharing today) so they had a big advantage! Sharing the pills is one of the best things we could to do level the playing field. Hinck, I was laughing so hard at your snarky replies to Stump that my wife asked what was going on! (maybe that just means I need to get some sleep... dunno) And I think some clarification here would help - what eXACTLY do you mean by reveal ALL - ALL the roles and pills? All the pills and the vig and JOAT? Kadabra suggested the blocker/rolecop stay secret so that we don't have more known roles than protection pills... what's your thoughts there?

thanks for that update... I had old fashioned as possible placebo but unsure, so not sure who said it either.

And now I show stump here, so...

Vote: Yes for Reveal All Plan I show that FDL, me, godfather, roleplayer are currently here - I don't show stump, so maybe he left. Not defending (as I'm leaning scum on him) but don't want wrong accusations distracting us either.

Pills: At this point, Hunter and Mystical are the only ones I haven't heard any claims about what they are (not counting the pills that are gone due to dead players). So, Stump, Goon, and Ursurper, wanna share? Lower priority... NPC, wanna share what Zubzub did? Anyone know what paradise, old fashioned, heart med, or insanity did?

Agree - if the vig and JOAT claims weren't legit, the real ones would have said something by now. I'm confident that Hinck knows the real power roles. There is some risks in Hinck's "reveal it all" plan - I've been discussing some of it with him. However, I still think it's a good plan and stump and cult leader being against it makes them more scummy to me. Yes, scum could grab the good pills - but then we'd know they're scum and it'd help us deduce the remaining scum by posts and pills. And then we'd know who to lynch and kill. And since we'd know which pills were unkillable, we'd know which scum to focus the lynches on and which to let the vig and guns take out at night.

At the risk of circular argument here... we don't KNOW that Male knew what the BRS pill was. Or the BRS could be something else good (like uppers) that they wanted to keep from the town, so he took it. We don't KNOW that the BRS is a lifesaver, so the second lifesaver could still be one of the pills we haven't identified. And we can't really "give" pills to certain people... we can assign them, but the scum could grab them if they're here first and we can't lynch them all in one day for stealing the good pills...

Right - we've got TWO pills still that can protect, evne though one lifesaver is gone. That'll cover two important roles. And as proposed, anyone else taking them gets lynched. The only problem is today - scum could grab them and there's no way we could get 75% on them. However, the scum would also be revealing themselves by doing so - so they'd get lynched in the coming days, but we'd still likely lose power roles tonight since we couldn't protect them. We've got a JOAT who could protect the vig, but the JOAT would be vulnerable since we don't know who to block. Very curious to hear more on the inventors... I agree that gun wouldn't be the best choice for hte town early in the game, but if our inventor is a noob they could make that mistake. I'm personally not convinced by Cult Leader that he's town. He could easily be the scum inventor and we don't have good proof yet either way. Or CL could be lying about the Big Red Science pill, hoping our "reveal all" plan doesn't go through and the scum can get the unknown lifesaver for themselves... So my spreadsheet of pills has the BRS marked "lifesaver?" for now...

posted earlier that both pearl and dickhead are placebos.

Compiling other pill knowledge: Insanity, Old Fashioned, Paradise, and ZubZub can't be lifesavers since they were being held by people who got killed.

Looking at other pills... Day 2 stump picked the light saber, which is a placebo according to Serious Roleplayer. So IF stump is scum, then roleplayer would be town since they wouldn't waste a choice on a placebo. IF snake is scum, then the pill he took on day 1 was taken by Cult LEader on day 2. That would mean that the magical pill is something good (and I've been suspicous of CL due to his day 1 pill being taken by Male on day 2)

IMHO, the 2 lynch choice would be town LATER THAN DAY 2. When whe had some info to base votes on better, and were working together more. I think we got lucky that Male got suspicious and that cultist quit - otherwise we could easily have voted out 2 town. In Aperture I don't think we lynched a scum till like day 5! Picking it early means the odds are in favor of town getting lynched and probably 2 town at that.

I'll grant, this is a good defense. Still disagree with your choice in picking it early, but I hadn't checked on who picked when.

For those lazy or dumb, this means the Mystery is the god pill. I agree - the double lynch for day 2 was VERY scummy. At that stage, with almost no info to base on, the odds of getting two scum with that is terribly low. That should have been saved for later when we knew who was who. The 75% rule choice is sorta scummy, but not as much as the double. Not sure I buy your snake story there about wanting to "work together more" - I think it's more likely to be a no lynch day and is a scum-leaning rule choice.

I took a look at WHEN some pills were taken on day 2. Male Lover grabbed his very quickly - this has to be weighed with the fact that we don't know when the pill cart is coming, so there's distinct luck in what pills are available to you - but it would support the possibility that he was taking a pill that he knew the effect of, which would make Cult Leader scum. If he was just going down the list for an unknown pill, they shouldn't have known the effect of the Hunter pill (pill #1) since the virgin took it day 1. With this, I can support a lynch vote on Cult Leader. I'd be willing to vote PGO as well, for many reasons. Witch is a maybe. I support this plan - so, who's grabbing the fairy tale pill today? That'll be an issue if none of the power roles are publicly known before the pill cart comes around. Anyone grabbing it would be HIGHLY suspected, but I'm sure the Vig/JOAT/etc would desperately want/need it, so they'd almost have to be outed so they can take it.

I like this idea a LOT. It'll make for a mad rush on pills when the cart comes, but so what. that's luck of being around at the right time anyway. And yes, we need all the info we can get to get a lynch tonight! So in the interest of that, my two pills (dick and pearl) were both placebos. I noticed the male's pill choice as well, and that makes me suspicious of Cult Leader - either the Big Red Science pill was something good and they were both scum, or the CL is town and the scum were trying to get as many different pills as possible. I'm going to do a little research on this and I'll share more thoughts later... Do you know whether Kristel or LegoDad started the conversation? We know two of his 4 suspects are were loyal - possibly all 4 are? But not necessarily... his avoidance of the witch pings a little - still suspicious of her and this fits that.

I don't see the fakevotes as being any different than how voting normally is, when you can unvote all you want. So just like scum could make suggestions and then change it with regular voting, they can use fakevotes the same. I agree that PGO's late vote is suspicious and lousy reasoning, but I CAN understand wanting to seal the voting for sure on Male so PGO felt safer. As I said earlier, the only way I see a lynch happening is being so solidly unified as a town that scum HAVE to join in to hide. Well, or being semi-solid and wrong, in which case the scum would join in readily. Yeah, vig tried on day 1, but how does that have any relevance to night 2? You said at the beginning of today that "What I find interesting is that there were only two kills; the serial killer and the scum killer (if we're to believe BONAD and Female Lover in that the vig didn't kill on Night 1). Very weird." - on what basis did you assume the two kills in night two were SK and scum, rather than a vig kill? Unsuccessful vig on night 1 means nothing on night 2. This means that the Goon had a non-placebo night one, and some useful (or negative, depending on who has it) pill is now gone from the game.

Wait, what made you think night two was SK and scum and not vig kills? Doubt you had read Female's post stating vig didn't kill yet when you said this. As for the people you listed, I'm not convinced on BONAD being scummy. It IS a possible explanation, but I am leaning more towards a town just sharing too quickly and with bad logic. I don't think scum would have made the assumption that the witch was SK based on the unsuccessful kill; nor would they have expected such bad logic to fly with the rest of the group and not get called out. Going with "scum or dumb," well, BONAD's bad assumption that witch had to be SK feels TOO dumb to be scum. PGO, I'm suspicious of. Stump, too quiet and hasn't been helpful enough to overcome that yet, so lightly suspicious. Both witch and PGO's votes on Male were "unneeded", strictly speaking. I can understand PGO wanting to toss a vote on Male to ensure that a single switch vote from ML to PGO wouldn't lynch PGO (as Doc did a few hours before PGO's vote). Witch's vote against ML was way earlier in the day. So, I'm not sure how much to read into either one. However, look at all the votes against Cultist that weren't needed. Several of those were made AFTER we knew he was quitting and so i's debatable if he was a good lynch candidate or not. Certainly a couple of scum could have jumped on that bandwagon as a safe way to vote against a townie without too much suspicion. Thanks for that - guess I was trying to read too much into the pics. Yep, to get a vote, we'll need all 9 town voting on the same person so that it'd be OBVIOUS if scum or SK were dissenting. If the town can't come to a consensus, they can easily hide in the confusion. Heck, they'll be trying to CAUSE the confusion to prevent a consensus, so gotta watch for that too.

Cultist and Pie being gone should reduce some of the distractions - still hate to lose them. Only two kills - so someone out of vig, SK, and scum didn't succeed. Depending on how much we shoudl read into the photos, I'd guess the black guy is our vig. The axe I'm thinking is scum, and the SK was the "planted guy" on night 1 and didn't succeed on night two. That's just a hypothesis so far, but makes sense to me. Wait, I just realized HOW HARD a 75% majority will be. That will REQUIRE multiple scum to join in and lynch one of their own to get scum lynch tonight. So while voting is always important, I highly suspect a no-lynch day is upon us. Now, on the inventors... if they created a pistol and gifted it, could the person USE it that night, or would it have to wait till a 3rd night to be used? Could ANY inventor items have been used last night?

Woo, first post again :) Glad to see we were right on Male Lover.... too bad we lost some other town though.

I'm not expecting the same exact play from him as high school. HOWEVER, in school Claire came under MASSIVE attack constantly (often from me) due to an apparent lie that lead to a lynch (turned out not to be, but we didn't know that at the time). There was huge distrust of him in that game and yet he defended him self well and consistently. Here, the pressure has seemed lower on him and yet he's inconsistent and illogical. THAT's what I'm voting on, not that he's not being a great leader like he turned into back in school. Perhaps the difference is because in school he knew he was right and that he was town, so he could base his defense on that, where here, he doesn't have that foundation?

Well, I can't swear I'll be back before the end of the day (though I'll certainly try) so I'll take this opportunity to Vote: The Male Lover (LEGODad) His actions this game have certainly not been on par with my previous experience with him, so it's reading quite scummy to me. I actually waited to post this till he had a chance to respond (I checked and happened to see he'd just come online, so I waited a few minutes assuming correctly there'd be a post soon) but.... sorry claire Loverboy. (and you almost got me to vote elsewhere with your "scum bandwagoning the second lynchee" comment, but, well, that's not enough defense at this point. I'd rather vote somewhere I feel reasonably confident rather than vote on someone I'm less sure, and who has zero real votes so far (since you and cultist have the only real votes thus far).