2025 Castle [wishlist/speculation]

[Blazej_Holen]

2 hours ago, zoth33 said:

I don't understand this view that if I don't like it it shouldn't be in castle theme.  Lego has to connect with a lot of different people all across the world it's not just what you want.  Yeah there may be things you don't like in a theme but lego has to try to appeal to people all over the world so it is ok to have things that are a little different and may not fit into your view of what the castle theme is.  I mean realistically the lego castle theme isn't real anyway it's all made up and not based on real life.  Variety in castle is good.  I wasn't a huge fan of the 2013 castle line but bought several sets for the figs and pieces to add to my castle/fantasy lego world.  It's ok to not like something that's in the castle theme but to expect other people to view castle exactly how you do isn't goin to work.  Each person has their own view of what the castle theme is and that is perfectly fine and good.  

That is a fairy not an elf.  

Elves are like humans with point ears most of the time depending on the creators and they usually live a very long time.  They also usually tend to be one with nature and the land.  

There are also dark elves that are more evil.  

goblins are like orcs but smaller.   Of course this isn't everything elves and goblins are but these are some generalities.  

This is a very closed minded view of things and once again it's all in what you want when there are millions of lego castle fans out there.  

First of all, my point of view wasnt ment to offend anyone (yet u seem to be offended?). I never said that Lego shoudl made only things that I want (thats riddiculous notion isnt it?). Anyway, in all due respect, thank you for your explanation. My opinion just reflects this discussion, and is based on Lego Castle theme history. Nothing more, nothing less. As far as I can see, fantasy isnt a bestseller, if its not based on a movie or such. Sales and early discontinuation of Lego original (sometimes crazy) themes speaks for themselves. Unlike "Classic Castle" (nowdays revisited one to go sets), which are demanded and praised (why?). But thats just my opinion. I am not forcing it to anyone and not expecting others to view it as I am :)

29 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

Well, if we look back at fantasy era and their sets, most of those sets were either focused on one faction, with 1 to 3 minifigs of another faction as opponent. So we had a castle with Knights and three Skeletons and Dragon - a Dwarfen Mine with one Troll and two Orks, the Troll fortress etc. And then some sets that focused on wo factions like the tower raid and skeletton ship attack. And I would say that sets like the Castle for instance would also be usefull for castle fans - and lets not forget the medieval market village here ;).

But ure you would be missing a second (castle)faction, but if we take a look at most of the recents factions we got, Kingdoms really stands out there as it is the only second faction for a long time, that isn´t designed to just look like the evil guys wearing all black etc -even though, you still see they are meant to be the evil guys if you take a closer look on the sets.

Kids would probably care the least that there are dwarves and other factions included though. While some adults care about realistic castle worlds, most kids would prefer a set with a dragon included IMO.

Well I´ve seen votes on fan blogs that had the exact same results as we are getting for the price machine - though of course that hasn´t have to mean anything. But in the end they want to sell their sets, and the vote is to see what people want to have, so I don´t think it is that likely they have choosen something else than the most voted options.

Who says this? As said before most castle waves had fantasy elements and so far I have never seen anyone claiming fantasy era or fright knights wouldn´t be castle - actually the official name for Fantasy Era was even castle. ;)

They won´t make two castle themes at the same time anyways, no matter if the other one is licensed or not. And in the end castle is just a word, I wouldn´t take this to serious, of course you don´t have to like if they would make such sets, but butchering is kinda a hard word here ;).

Ok fair enought. Its starded as a medieval like theme, then evolved into something with fantasy elements (I guess for sake of novelty, and also, since in 90s it was so popular to make movies with knights, dragons, wizards, etc... so Lego get inspiration from there). The following evolution into Fantasy Era, Vikings...that probably changed Castle for a time, and it wasnt "medieval based only" theme anymore. True. 

[zoth33]

55 minutes ago, Blazej_Holen said:

First of all, my point of view wasnt ment to offend anyone (yet u seem to be offended?). I never said that Lego shoudl made only things that I want (thats riddiculous notion isnt it?). Anyway, in all due respect, thank you for your explanation. My opinion just reflects this discussion, and is based on Lego Castle theme history. Nothing more, nothing less. As far as I can see, fantasy isnt a bestseller, if its not based on a movie or such. Sales and early discontinuation of Lego original (sometimes crazy) themes speaks for themselves. Unlike "Classic Castle" (nowdays revisited one to go sets), which are demanded and praised (why?). But thats just my opinion. I am not forcing it to anyone and not expecting others to view it as I am :)

Ok fair enought. Its starded as a medieval like theme, then evolved into something with fantasy elements (I guess for sake of novelty, and also, since in 90s it was so popular to make movies with knights, dragons, wizards, etc... so Lego get inspiration from there). The following evolution into Fantasy Era, Vikings...that probably changed Castle for a time, and it wasnt "medieval based only" theme anymore. True. 

The way you are phrasing it seems like you are saying that if it doesn't fit into your view it's not castle.  I'm saying that's a pretty narrow view since Lego has included fantasy elements in the classic castle theme for a very long time.  I'm also saying not everyone is going to agree on what's castle and what's not and Lego has to somehow make everyone happy with what they put out.  I personally don't mind fantasy elements in a castle theme and also wouldn't mind if there were no fantasy elements in a castle theme either.  I'm just happy to see any castle sets and especially new figs and new settings.  

[Agent Kallus]

21 hours ago, SpacePolice89 said:

While I personally have little interest in non human factions I see why people like them. I think that the best solution would bee to alternate between more traditional Castle factions and fantasy factions. Maybe a couple of years with factions like Kingdoms had and then switch to fantasy era like factions for a couple of years. That would also keep everything fresh. 

That works for me!P

20 hours ago, GeoBrick said:

That works for kinda patient adults, but not really for the age group these kind of sets are meant:  children. By the time in such a setup waves have switched from one to the other type, they've grown beyond.

I meant most themes don't stuck around that long, childhood is longer than 2-3 years! 

In my childhood we had Knights kingdom 2, Vikings, Castle(Fantasy era) and Kingdoms. 

[MAB]

Having fantasy in Castle is like having aliens in Space. For me, both are perfectly fine especially if including them would help sales and keep themes alive.

[thewatchman]

18 minutes ago, MAB said:

Having fantasy in Castle is like having aliens in Space. For me, both are perfectly fine especially if including them would help sales and keep themes alive.

Couldn’t agree more.

[TeriXeri]

On 5/4/2025 at 5:31 PM, Blazej_Holen said:

Would it be still CASTLE though? I think that this is rather some fantasy / DnD like theme . Castle should be about knights, villagers, maxbe some fantasy bits like dragons or wizards but thats about it IMHO.

Yes it would, but it depends what "lore" or "universe" you want to create. 

If historical, monsters and magic have no place in that, but even LEGO introduced ghosts before they added dragons, including one in a Lion Knights' set.

For example, The Empire from Warhammer fantasy uses all sorts of Castle type of elements, including knights, swordmen, spearmen, archers, crossbows and fantasy gryphons, which are great, but also includes gunpowder, mortars and cannons and such which goes a bit too far for LEGO Castle (unless you want to recreate a Warhammer scene or something)

Ultimately it's personal preference. And I think LEGO did have AFOLs in mind when making sets like the new 3-in-1 Castle and Haunted House, as I think a lot of Castle fans will be drawn toward the reintroduction of the glow in the dark ghost.

Edited May 6 by TeriXeri

[RichardGoring]

5 hours ago, TeriXeri said:

Ultimately it's personal preference. And I think LEGO did have AFOLs in mind when making sets like the new 3-in-1 Castle and Haunted House, as I think a lot of Castle fans will be drawn toward the reintroduction of the glow in the dark ghost.

The new Haunted House seems pretty expensive for both a Creator set and for what it is, but it has far more figures than you'd normally expect. In this case, the figures might be more sought after and most parts on PAB will probably be reasonable, but how much will LEGO charge for the wolf head and ghost? Given recent pricing, I'm half expecting the two pieces to come to $10, just to compel you to buy the whole set.

[Black Falcon]

17 hours ago, zoth33 said:

I personally don't mind fantasy elements in a castle theme and also wouldn't mind if there were no fantasy elements in a castle theme either.  I'm just happy to see any castle sets and especially new figs and new settings.  

8 hours ago, MAB said:

Having fantasy in Castle is like having aliens in Space. For me, both are perfectly fine especially if including them would help sales and keep themes alive.

Totally agree with those statements.

7 hours ago, TeriXeri said:

For example, The Empire from Warhammer fantasy uses all sorts of Castle type of elements, including knights, swordmen, spearmen, archers, crossbows and fantasy gryphons, which are great, but also includes gunpowder, mortars and cannons and such which goes a bit too far for LEGO Castle (unless you want to recreate a Warhammer scene or something)

Yeah, especially for Dwarves some franchises have them using steam engines and using guns, which for me was always to modern and not fitting with the overall setting. But ofc that is also personal preference and surely there are also people that like that. But for sure it wouldn´t be what I want to see in a Set.

[TeriXeri]

2 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

Yeah, especially for Dwarves some franchises have them using steam engines and using guns, which for me was always to modern and not fitting with the overall setting. But ofc that is also personal preference and surely there are also people that like that. But for sure it wouldn´t be what I want to see in a Set.

True , dwarf are often the older users of the more traditional gunpowder, and steam, as seen in both Warhammer and Warcraft, with some other races like Gnomes/Goblins(warcraft) and Skaven (warhammer) being more of the sort of experimental/flimsy/possibly self-exploding contraptions and weapons .

Even Lord of the Rings franchise, (especially The Two Towers movie) shows some gunpowder, in the form of Gandalf's Fireworks, , and the Bomb(Blasting Fire) at Helm's Deep, but not at a scale like Warhammer or Warcraft would , which have entire armies, or fleets full of it. some magical, some physical.

 

 

Edited May 6 by TeriXeri

[Lion King]

Fantasy elem thats in castle is much like aliens in space for sure. I often see fantasy creatures in knights’ lands like Stardust, Sleeing Beauty,  Narnia, etc. 

[DonQuixote]

3 hours ago, Lion King said:

Fantasy elem thats in castle is much like aliens in space for sure. I often see fantasy creatures in knights’ lands like Stardust, Sleeing Beauty,  Narnia, etc. 

Sleeping beauty and Narnia are not castle. It's a fairytale with a castle in the background.  By that definition even Harry Potter is castle.

Real castle/ medieval movies are for example :

Robin Hood, prince  of thieves

Robin Hood from Riley Scott 

Braveheart 

Kingdoms of heaven

The last duel 

All good movies I like

No fantasy bullshido

Edited May 6 by DonQuixote

[zoth33]

16 minutes ago, DonQuixote said:

Sleeping beauty and Narnia are not castle. It's a fairytale with a castle in the background.  By that definition even Harry Potter is castle.

Real castle/ medieval movies are for example :

Robin Hood, prince  of thieves

Robin Hood from Riley Scott 

Braveheart 

Kingdoms of heaven

The last duel 

All good movies I like

No fantasy bullshido

People can view castle however they want to but mainly my point was that Lego has had some fantasy elements in their castle themes.  The castle theme hasn't been a staight up medieval theme either.  I think it's ok to include fantastical elements to their themes and it makes the lego castle theme more exciting and makes for a wider variety of races, creatures and settings in my opinion.  

[DonQuixote]

34 minutes ago, zoth33 said:

People can view castle however they want to but mainly my point was that Lego has had some fantasy elements in their castle themes.  The castle theme hasn't been a staight up medieval theme either.  I think it's ok to include fantastical elements to their themes and it makes the lego castle theme more exciting and makes for a wider variety of races, creatures and settings in my opinion.  

Yes ofcourse.  A touch magic here and there is fine. Like the ghost in the early nineties.

However with the arrival of the Fright Knights in 1997, Lego had gone to far. There were  even flying machines (2848 +2539) that were piloted by Basil the bat lord. The sets were ugly too.

But that's just my taste.

I just grew up without fantasy stuff so that's my preference. 

Lion Knights, Black Falcons and Forrest People are my favorite factions. So I am always welcoming new factions that are similar. I really like the 2 new factions in the new creator castle set.

Edited May 7 by DonQuixote

[Lion King]

1 hour ago, DonQuixote said:

Sleeping beauty and Narnia are not castle. It's a fairytale with a castle in the background.  By that definition even Harry Potter is castle.

Real castle/ medieval movies are for example :

Robin Hood, prince  of thieves

Robin Hood from Riley Scott 

Braveheart 

Kingdoms of heaven

The last duel 

All good movies I like

No fantasy bullshido

Eh i don’t know…. I’m not sure why you think Sleeing Beauty and Narnaia are not castle it only fantasty /fairytale movies with castles in background? 

I mean i guess it’s how you interepter or what kind of Lego castle themes you prefer. 

42 minutes ago, zoth33 said:

People can view castle however they want to but mainly my point was that Lego has had some fantasy elements in their castle themes.  The castle theme hasn't been a staight up medieval theme either.  I think it's ok to include fantastical elements to their themes and it makes the lego castle theme more exciting and makes for a wider variety of races, creatures and settings in my opinion.  

Bingo 

[hikouki]

11 hours ago, RichardGoring said:

The new Haunted House seems pretty expensive for both a Creator set and for what it is, but it has far more figures than you'd normally expect. In this case, the figures might be more sought after and most parts on PAB will probably be reasonable, but how much will LEGO charge for the wolf head and ghost? Given recent pricing, I'm half expecting the two pieces to come to $10, just to compel you to buy the whole set.

Could it be that this is the new business strategy from Lego? Adding somewhat exclusive minifigs to Creator 3-in-1 sets to make them sell better? 

[zoth33]

16 minutes ago, DonQuixote said:

Yes ofcourse.  A touch magic here and there is fine. Like the ghost in the early nineties.

However with the arrival of the Fright Knights in 1997, Lego had gone to far. There were  even flying machines (2848 +2539) that were piloted by Basil the bat lord. The sets were ugly too.

But that's just my taste.

I just grew up without fantasy stuff so that's my preference. 

Lion Knights, Black Falcons and Forrest People are my favorite factions. So I am always welcoming new factions that are similar. I really like the 2 new factions in the new creator castle set.

I'm going to be 47 later this year I remember having a bunch of the sets from the 80's and 90's and having to use my imagination to come up with good villain characters because there weren't a lot of variation in minifig heads so I ended up using solid black heads for my villians.  The original green dragon was great still have mine in my lego room.  I always liked the fantasy parts of lego back then it made me feel that Lego castle was a wide world that had many different things to it.  Today there are so many different parts and figs it's actually amazing the possibilities of creating worlds, creatures and races.  And now with all these new factions it's going to be even better.  

[DonQuixote]

30 minutes ago, Lion King said:

Eh i don’t know…. I’m not sure why you think Sleeing Beauty and Narnaia are not castle it only fantasty /fairytale movies with castles in background? 

I mean i guess it’s how you interepter or what kind of Lego castle themes you prefer. 

Bingo 

It's like saying that Starwars is science fiction. It's not. ( Ask Geoge Lucas himself).It's a fairy tale/fantasy with a space background. Star trek is science fiction. Lord of the Rings is fantasy as well.The same applies for all those Disney movies . They are fairy tales/fantasy. I'm 100% sure those movies are not categorized as medieval/historical in a video store . They are categorized as fantasy/fairy tale.

But sadly ,video stores don't exist anymore.

[Lion King]

8 hours ago, DonQuixote said:

It's like saying that Starwars is science fiction. It's not. ( Ask Geoge Lucas himself).It's a fairy tale/fantasy with a space background. Star trek is science fiction. Lord of the Rings is fantasy as well.The same applies for all those Disney movies . They are fairy tales/fantasy. I'm 100% sure those movies are not categorized as medieval/historical in a video store . They are categorized as fantasy/fairy tale.

But sadly ,video stores don't exist anymore.

Sorry I especially disagree with you. But it’s just your personal intereretion. 

[MAB]

10 hours ago, DonQuixote said:

It's like saying that Starwars is science fiction. It's not. ( Ask Geoge Lucas himself).It's a fairy tale/fantasy with a space background. Star trek is science fiction. Lord of the Rings is fantasy as well.The same applies for all those Disney movies . They are fairy tales/fantasy. I'm 100% sure those movies are not categorized as medieval/historical in a video store . They are categorized as fantasy/fairy tale.

But sadly ,video stores don't exist anymore.

Castle is not exclusively medieval or historical though. When LEGO includes dragons and trolls in Castle, then Castle contains fantasy.

 

10 hours ago, DonQuixote said:

Real castle/ medieval movies are for example :

Robin Hood, prince  of thieves

Robin Hood from Riley Scott 

Braveheart 

Kingdoms of heaven

The last duel 

All good movies I like

No fantasy bullshido

That list contains medieval/historical movies, but they are not all that "castle movies" can contain because that is not a well defined category of movie.  Fantasy (and in some cases medieval/fantasy) movies like Excalibur, Lady Hawk, Beastmaster, Dragonslayer, Conan, etc are also "castle movies" in the sense that they would fit into what LEGO has produced within the Castle theme.

LEGO Castle contains fantasy, we know that for sure as LEGO has included fantasy within Castle.

 

[TeriXeri]

14 hours ago, hikouki said:

Could it be that this is the new business strategy from Lego? Adding somewhat exclusive minifigs to Creator 3-in-1 sets to make them sell better? 

It's not really new, beside CMF and such ,  City did it a for long time already with it's animals, going back to at least like 2018 with the arctic mammoth, and has continued since with the big shark and orca , safari animals, gorillas, and now wolves and foxes being in the biggest sets . 

Ninjago does it constantly , especially with something like anniversary figs or special variants.

Creator was more generic but the viking ship set had very different figs already, having unique parts and prints at it's release.

 

Edited May 7 by TeriXeri

[danth]

15 hours ago, hikouki said:

Could it be that this is the new business strategy from Lego? Adding somewhat exclusive minifigs to Creator 3-in-1 sets to make them sell better? 

You know what might make them sell better? A f@&%ing CLASSIC SPACE MAN.

Come on Lego. Make a CLASSIC. SPACE. CREATOR. SET.

👏👏👏👏

Oops sorry, truly forgot I was in the Castle forum. I do think the minifigs in the new Creator 3in1 Castle are great and are definitely going to sell it.

[Blazej_Holen]

8 minutes ago, danth said:

You know what might make them sell better? A f@&%ing CLASSIC SPACE MAN.

Come on Lego. Make a CLASSIC. SPACE. CREATOR. SET.

👏👏👏👏

Oops sorry, truly forgot I was in the Castle forum. I do think the minifigs in the new Creator 3in1 Castle are great and are definitely going to sell it.

Yeah. The minifigs are highlight of the set… Looking forward to a PAB, hopefully they will appear there as well later this year…

[hikouki]

2 hours ago, danth said:

You know what might make them sell better? A f@&%ing CLASSIC SPACE MAN.

Come on Lego. Make a CLASSIC. SPACE. CREATOR. SET.

👏👏👏👏

Oops sorry, truly forgot I was in the Castle forum. I do think the minifigs in the new Creator 3in1 Castle are great and are definitely going to sell it.

Well, I would not mind if a classic spaceman, especially in bright light blue, happens to stray in a castle set. ROTFL.

I do hope they make more castle themed sets under the three in one theme.

[RichardGoring]

3 hours ago, hikouki said:

Well, I would not mind if a classic spaceman, especially in bright light blue, happens to stray in a castle set. ROTFL.

I do hope they make more castle themed sets under the three in one theme.

How do you think they built those enormous castles and towers? They definitely had outside help.

[hikouki]

2 hours ago, RichardGoring said:

How do you think they built those enormous castles and towers? They definitely had outside help.

Well, I always thought that Majisto just had some help from Gandalf, maybe? LOL

Kidding aside, I had always thought it would not be a bad idea if some of Lego's classic themes crossed over for some reason.

Some royals/ soldiers (Castle theme) traded with some Vikings, and this could be in one set. It would be great to have some exclusive figs for this!

Far into the future, the Spacemen were excavating Castle ruins.