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My concern at the moment is that if, for some reason, I'm right about double conversions then Canute was able to convert someone to neutral last night. If we lynch Petrus and allow Canute another night to finish the conversion, then we're at parity tomorrow and Scum would win the game.

And Canute could be choosing not to kill so that we will kill our vig. Maybe that wasn't the original reason we didn't see a kill. I doubt a Scum team would try to kill me three nights in a row. Maybe one of those protections of me or Cranebeinn was lucky. But I'm losing my focus (and my megablocking mind here) Canute has tried for days to get Petrus lynched and has even been incredulous that I'm not voicing the same suspicions I've voiced earlier. If they blew their kill for many days just to recruit Toki he could've foregone the kill last night to try and get Petrus lynched. If he "whips out his Scum kill" tonight after Petrus is lynched and kills, say me, then Cranebeinn and Agnar would lynch him, right? Or is Agnar the bomb claim so Scummy that Cranebeinn would go along with Canute and lynch him? Oh my God, what is happening to my brain? My point: All of Canute's talk about Scum choosing not to kill could be his own tactic to get us to lynch Petrus. Why would someone try that hard to get just one person lynched? My theory about two Scum teams. Canute and Petr blocking Toki would hinge on Petrus being their killer. Canute is trying to get his own killer lynched? Somebody help my brain! I want this to end. Does the rewording of our Night Actions actually incriminate Petrus? Ugh. It would make answer the question of what the hell were they doing to Toki and why hasn't there been a kill if Toki was the killer for one team and being blocked by the other team. :cry3: :cry3: megabluck.

The issue I'm having with all of this is that if there are two Scum teams then one would have to have the ability to win and if Petr and Canute were blocking the killer of the other team, what can they do in order to reach their win conditions? Of all the Night Action claims we know that 1. Cranebeinn can block. He blocked Petrus for a clear effect. 2. Petrus can kill. We have dead bodies to prove that. 3. I can track. I see what you all have done. 4. Adam doesn't appear to do anything. But what, if Canute is Scum, can he do at night? Protector is a good role to claim because it can go an entire game without having a visible effect. Has there been a night where he hasn't protected me or Cranebeinn? Yes, he targeted Toki on Night Eight. That was a very odd choice for protection that night and I have never gotten a satisfactory explanation for it. Why must I ramble endlessly? I don't feel confident about things right now. Let me ramble more if it's OK. Night One: Scum kill Palathadric Night Two: No kill. Mist blocked. Cranebeinn protected. Scum talk about a traitor with people on anonymous writeboards. One Scummo says that my misleading comments got their murder stopped. Night Three: Scum kill Tarben Night Four: No kill. Kapmaud blocked. Cranebeinn protected. Night Five: No kill. Ragnvald blocked. PuddingHead protected. Night Six: No kill. Petrus blocked. PuddingHead protected. Night Seven: No kill. Nobody is blocked. PuddingHead protected. Night Eight: No kill. Toki is blocked. Toki is protected. Night Nine: No kill. Petrus is blocked. Cranebeinn is protected. On every night they didn't kill, did they attempt to recall someone? Were the writeboards just totally to mess with us? Would they sacrifice two of their own to play games with us? I doubt that. But Dar sending me a message before his death telling me to get ready to eat my hat (eerily echoed today by Cranebeinn), then he likely was just trying to sow seeds of mistrust. Or WIFOM, there was a traitor. Would it have taken the Scum five attempts to find Toki and would they have kept foregoing their kill in order to gain another member. Seven would be a lot of Scum but Canute did start the day with "Has there ever been seven?" as if we can base anything in the structure of this game on past games. Purposely misleading us, trying to get Petrus lynched? So, looking back over my PMs, Canute knew about the Scum writeboard. He was one of the first people I sent the link to. If he is Scum then the anonymous Scum never thought I could be traitor and probably didn't try to target me for recall the night Mist was blocked. However, since they seem to have tried to recall me then that would indicate Canute is Town or was on Day Two. Or they pretended to think I was the traitor so as not to incriminate Canute. WIFOM out my ears!!! My concern about Petrus at the beginning was that after I caught him targeting Lambi, he said something along the lines of "Well, you probably want me verified, so who do you think should be killed?" What isn't already verified about me seeing someone kill Scum? Why would I need to check again? That was the original concern I voiced to Canute. Canute also easily offered to be revealed to the anonymous Scum as the tracker. If he's the protector, why would he agree to be bait? I asked assuming that if he wasn't vanilla he would resist being used as a kill target. I was just trying to direct their kill off of NAs. This could indicate he knew he was in no danger of being targeted by the Scum. First message of Day Three from Canute: "So, who was blocked by Cranebeinn? Was it Mist?" Would a traitor have a NA in addition to being a traitor? Was Toki the traitor and didn't see Jarl or Mist ask to be contacted? Did the traitor fear a Townie sting from the lynchees and not contact them? I am looking forward to the conclusion to find out why a Scum team would only kill twice. I realize I'm theorizing in a vacuum but if the Scum do have a day role cop and found Patrekr on Day One and Petrus is the killer from Scum team two then everything kind of fits. Would there be a Town investigator, tracker, blocker, bomb, vengeful, ducked-up thing Lauga was, with two Scum killers? My megablocking head hurts. Was looking for a traitor a ruse to try and connect the two Scum teams? Was Dave on one side and blocking Toki who was the killer on the other side. Somebody at least tell me I'm stupid? Hello? With five of us left, I really fear a razor thin margin and I do not want to lose this game but I feel a huge piece of the puzzle is missing. Maybe if we all ramble with me a bit we may figure it out? Apply this same question to you asinine logic from Day Eight. Yet another contradiction! I've already answered this several times but maybe you require multiple repetitions. Oh wait, that didn't seem to help on Day Eight when you inexplicably resisted Dave's lynch until the very last minute of the day and then told convoluted lies about what you believed going into the night phase and then "protected" a Corrupted. Way to go, But, you're clearly not killing which I've floated five or so theories about. Maybe you've read them. I could repeat them but as they've been posted, they are still there for you to go back and read your damn self. Maybe you converted Cranebeinn last night? His original idea was to kill you last night and you were on his list as the next most suspicious after Toki and yet he votes for Petrus who was last on his list. And yes, the two of us did list them. I just don't know. But not knowing what the Scum have been doing for six days doesn't mean that you aren't the Scummiest person here. We've established that you didn't. I mentioned Petr for the first time with 2 hours left to go in the Night Action deadline which was long after (it is well established) Petr had already left for Iceland. I was originally targeting Jafri and then switched to Lauga after Tarr's chicken killed Jafri. And you wouldn't have had time to stop me or Petr at that point. If you are Scum, you haven't been protecting anyone at all. I'm trying to reconcile your behavior by floating several theories. Not making up a theory and desperately sticking do it, despite the behavior of the accused contradicting what I'm saying. That's what you did. You desperately stuck to your one theory the entire day. Once you realized I wasn't going to be lynched, you couldn't just back off of it so you stuck to it, not considering any other possibility which as I pointed out at the time, isn't Townie behavior. Maybe you broke in tiny ways towards the end of the day. You finally admitted you could be wrong but going into the night phase you still said you expected the game to end yet protected Scum against someone you thought was Town. Your repeated behavior shows a pattern of Scumminess. I'm just sorry we didn't follow Cranebeinn's original plan for the night and kill your Scummy megablocks.

convert him? Again, I don't know what the hell the Scum have been up to. You seem to like to attack that as if not knowing what the Scum's abilities are means my suspicions of you are unfounded. I suspect you because you contradict yourself and act Scummy. If I was lynched and you and Petr and Toki were all Scum, you would've achieved parity. Applying that to my theory about two Scum teams admittedly makes less sense. Because if you and Petr were blocking Toki why would you try to get me killed that night? Maybe the simple explanation is that Petr recruited Toki and then you protected Scum from the vig. That still doesn't look good for you. And on Day Two, when you and I were discussing Cranebeinn in private, why did you suggest he need to be cleared from being seen as the "Scum shapeshifter". I don't remember you saying this but it's glaringly odd now. Was that what he was being accused of? It's a very odd term for you to have used.

Cranebeinn, as you said to me in private, why would Canute resists Petr's lynch the way he did? Considering the way our win conditions had to be reworded I believe we had two Scum teams. I think Petr and Canute were blocking Toki and that's why we didn't see a kill for so many days. If that is the case, what can their team do in order to win the game? I can't fully even wrap my mind around my own theory but Canute's behavior is enough for me to want to get rid of him before we get to another Night phase. vote: Canute Bush (CallMePie) I do not know if this is the right course of Action but I feel more comfortable with the way Petrus has behaved throughout the course of this game than I am with Canute's behavior. I don't know if any of my crazy theories are correct but nobody seems to want to play the brainstorm game with me so. And Cranebeinn, if a Scum Canute framed you, why would the Scum kill you in the same night? That would be a wasted framing. The point of a framing is that the target appears the opposite alignment so that when they are investigated, Town seems Scum. You were the perfect target for a framing. It is just one option that Canute might've actually been doing to you when I saw him targeting you. And that is not the only option for the Scum not killing that night. You blocked a Scum that night, for one. But there are any number of reasons for there not being a kill, one of which might be that they tried to recall a traitor as they said they were trying to do. Basing your vote on Canute "saving" you is not the best idea, in my opinion.

Nah, I'm hoping you're the last one. Canute brought up the idea to me on July 29th at 2:49 PM in our game pm which is entitled "Pie and Pudding".

He told me he targeted Toki.

I told Cranebeinn and Petrus I had tracked you targeting Toki before you confessed it. I've already expressed my concern with that. He told me that he talked to you about blocking Petrus and you mentioned I should track you. If you were telling him to have me track you then why would you be under the impression he was blocking me? I have been told that he targeted neither me nor Petrus. You're still weirder.

Thanks, Hosty. Cranebeinn, who did you block on Night Eight. We have conflicting reports.

That's not how I remember it. I had Dagstyrr as my tracking target until we saw the trashed comment. I'm on my phone at a bbq so I will check later. To the best of my recollection, if I mentioned it first in my message with Canute and Cranebeinn then Canute brought it up with me in our private one. I don't have time to quote each point directly. But no, it wasn't rhetorical. I answered it myself right after if you had bothered to read it you wouldn't have needed to make that comment. And thank you for repeating my point about Canute suspecting you and then not suspecting you. You explained exactly what I was saying. Why so defensive? I think it is likely there are two Scum factions, Toki was the last member of a faction that could kill and Petr and Canute were blocking him. Who knows what else they can do though. Claiming protector and not telling us who he plans to target is a great way to ensure that he doesn't tell us he will protect someone who ends up dead, which would hypothesize that he's not a protector at all

Mr. Hosty, I think it's a fair question to ask when our win conditions changed did it signify a shift in the game mechanics or was it a correction and that is how our win condition should've read all along?

Day One: Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Loyal or the Corrupted. To win the game, the Loyal must kill off all of the Corrupted, while the Corrupted must outnumber the Loyal. Neutral characters will have their victory conditions outlined in their role. Day Ten: Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Loyal or the Corrupted. To win the game, the Loyal must kill all enemy factions, while the Corrupted must outnumber all rival factions. Neutral characters will have their victory conditions outlined in their role. When did this change????? Day megablocking Seven was the first day we had that rule. With these players left in the game, how did we never notice that? And if I can cry foul for a second, if our win condition were to change, I would hope the host would do a little more to draw our attention to it. What is the difference? Or was this just to show that Town will not win if there's a ... what's that one role called? ... oh right, Serial Killer... in the game? What is happening? This would make sense out of everything if there were two Scum factions and the blocker of one team had figured out the killer of the other and just blocked them every night while they tried to take them out. Am I the only Townie left with two Scum teams and a Serial Killer??? If Canute and Petr were a Scum team and had somehow figured out that Toki was the killer on the other team. Then...Petrus is the killer for the second team? That would explain why we've only seen one kill knowing it's his and the game continues. Was there two factions all along and the one team killed one of the second team on the first night?? :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry3: :cry3: :cry3: :cry3: That would be why I'm not dead. The kill for the one team keeps getting blocked and the other team's killer is my confidant. Is that what is happening??? As Marge Simpson would say: Nutty Fudgkins. That would make my weaponizing theory work too because one side's killer would constantly be transferring.

This may or may not be attributable to both reasons. As far as the other PRs go, I'll let everyone else explain what they did and here are Danr's results: Night One: Tarben-Town Night Two: PuddingHead-Town Night Three: Lauga-Town Night Four: Dar-Scum Night Five: Toki-got killed

But besides my rambling theories, you seem to be the only one actually concerned with what they could be doing. I mean we're all concerned, but it seems to be your only focus. Your absolute insistence that I was Scum and needed to be lynched is glaringly Scummy in retrospect. Especially considering that if you, Petr and Toki are all Scum you could've won that night (or had parity) if Toki had been converted and I was lynched. You stuck to your theory like a dog to raw meat until I proved your numbers weren't right. And for some reason, you have let your concern that Petrus is the Serial Killer evaporate since that day. Is that because you only needed that theory to prove I could end the game that night? You should be the one saying "Maybe we're still here because Petrus is the Serial Killer and now the Scum are gone". You should be saying that after the way you behaved. You should be screaming it the same way you spammed up Day Eight's thread with it. And you are the only person who has said repeatedly "Well if (X) was Scum, then what have they been doing at night? I need a theory." Why do you need a damn theory? All I need is to see how much your behavior contradicts itself. I don't care what the hell you've actually been doing at night. I would just like it to stop whatever it is so we can end this game. It is certainly weird that you inexplicably "changed your mind" about me going into Night Eight. Whenever you left your vote on me and kept insisting I was Scum until the end of the day, picking apart and questioning everyone one of my posts. And that's what you said right before the day ended. And yet, if you assumed the game was going to end why were you talking to Cranebeinn about me being the tracker and assuming that I was Town and trying to kill Toki. Why were you afraid that Town me would ask Petrus to kill Toki? Targeting Toki still makes no sense. Why would both you and Petr need to target Toki? Who knows but it's weird. As I mentioned, in Raganrok I we had an Action that converted any player to neutral. Then, later in the game when we hit trouble, we were allowed to use it twice on the same person for a conversion. So, why wouldn't that person report being reported to Neutral? In Ragnarok I, there were two (or maybe it was pretending to be two) Scum left so they contacted the convertee on the first night and said, basically, "We're converting you to neutral so we can convert you to Scum the following night. Don't bother telling anyone because there are two of us left and even if I'm lynched, my partner will still convert you on the following night and you'll only be causing yourself to lose the game." Anyway, I think Canute is a liar. I don't care what his actual Night Action is. I assume when I caught him targeting Cranebeinn he was actually framing him. Since Cranebeinn has asked for a list of Actions and reasons, here is mine: Night One: Track Petrus, successful. Targeted Lambi Reason: She's a IRL friend and very smart so naturally I wanted to know what side she was on. Night Two: Track Canute, successful. Targeted Cranebeinn Reason: I had started with my target as Dagstyrr who is also a IRL friend and hard to read. I wanted to know about him as well. But then, we saw the trashed comment on the writeboard that says "DD says" and decided it was best to just have the vigilante target him. So, I had been talking to Canute about Cranebeinn's obvious blocker claim and I wanted to know if I could trust him so I targeted him. This was also a night I had said I would track Cranebeinn or at least implied it. But I wanted to target him the following night because if he was Scum, I thought it would keep him in check in fear that I was targeting him. Night Three: Track Danr, successful. Targeted Lauga Reason: Tarben contacted me on Day Three and said that he and I had both been investigated as Town. Since Tarben and Danr were both kind of Scummy, I targeted Danr to find out if he was up to anything. Night Four: Track Cranebeinn, successful. Targeted Kapmaud Reason: It was finally time to check on Cranebeinn. Night Five: Track Agnar, successful. Targeted nobody. Reason: He claimed bomb so if he was targeting anyone he was a liar. Night Six: Track Toki, successful. Targeted nobody. Reason: Toki was the Scummiest guy in the game. We even clarified that I would have seen him had he targeted a protected target but not if he was blocked. Night Seven: Track Petr, successful. Targeted Toki. Reason: Must I repeat it? Night Eight: Track Canute, successful. Targeted Toki. Reason: Canute is painfully Scummy when he tries to get me lynched and I'm telling the truth and he's desperately trying to refute everything I say, no matter how innocuous it is. Jerk. Night Nine: Track Aganr, successful. Targeted nobody. Reason: He could've been vanilla goon and at this point, being the only Scum would've had to target someone. There we have it. Can they even kill at this point??? But they hit targets like Tarben who was vanilla and nobody else who Canute knew was in the Town block. But at that point, Canute only knew who the blocker was. I didn't let everyone in on each other's identities until Night Six. Perhaps they thought I was the bomb or they wanted to hang onto me hoping I'd eventually reveal the other PR identities. Or bomb or blocker or tracker... If Canute weren't so painfully Scummy, I'd agree. I have a lot of assignments today. Petrus claimed to me on Day Two after I tracked him targeting Lambi. Cranebeinn claimed to me on Day Two because he was going to be lynched. Canute claimed to me on Day Three after I tracked him targeting Cranebeinn. Danr claimed to me on Day Three after Tarben told me I had been cleared by him. I asked Tarben to have the investigator contact me if he felt I could be trusted. You, Agnar, claimed to me on July 13 2015 (so, Night Two) when we were trying to run the gambit with the Scum on anonymous writeboards. Reading back over our PM conversation...I'm really paranoid about you now. You claimed bomb, you came up with the traitor sting. Your writeboard has the shortest conversation. They made your writeboard after they made mine yet you claimed to jluck long before I did. This game makes me insane. Why do I play it?

It's made of licorice. And this is what Dar said to me via PM before the end of Day...whenever Dar was lynched.

If Canute was Scum, as I demonstrated yesterday, it would explain why he so badly wanted me to be lynched. If he, Petr and Toki were all Scum, getting me lynched would've won them the game. We know he does something at night. We know he nonsensically targeted Toki. I wish I would've tracked him. We know that, more than anything, he keeps trying to throw in our faces that we haven't seen the Scum kill and he negates every dumb theory I come up with. ... ... Maybe that's not entirely Scummy, but everything else is. Toki WIFOM accused him and voted for him. I need to stop thinking about all of this so I can go back to sleep. But... I may as well put this all on the table. Agnar...claims Bomb. Scummy claim, we've seen it before. Nobody wants to night–kill someone who claims bomb. Is he not killing because we have seemed to believe him and in case he is tracked we can't see? Is this the seventh day without a Scum kill??? I was really hoping this would be the conclusion... Petrus...Serial Killer? Kara says we need to look for traitors but the name of the Scum is Corrupted. Would Kara mislead us? Is she not saying "we still have a serial killer" because that would just give away Petrus's game? If Canute is Scum, could we have lost the protector and vigilante without one being able to counterclaim? Was there either of those roles to start with? Somehow I feel like we should lynch some other people first, but this is an obvious concern that's been lingering. Sorry, Petrus. Cranebeinn...claims blocker but we've never seen another blocker. No Townie has reported being blocked by anyone except him. On the writeboard the blabby Scum said "Your misleading comments blocked our kill". Again, I can't quote directly but that's closer than what I said before. If it was over–acting on Blabby's part then they wanted us to believe that the blocked player had tried to kill so that would be setting Cranebeinn up as bringing down Mist. Like Agnar or Canute, he could choosing not to kill so as not to be caught by me. I'll put it this way. He said "Your misleading comments got our murder stopped." I'm been very suspect of Canute and to a lesser extent Agnar, because of the bomb claim. Which makes me question Petrus and Cranebeinn because I get anxious when I start putting trust in people in a Mafia game. This all begs the question, if the Scum are choosing not to kill so I won't catch them, why aren't they just killing me and moving on? What the megablok are they doing otherwise? What? Converting? Is this Cultafia? But we saw kills. Were they given the option to switch? If so did Canute convert Agnar last night? Or if it is Canute, was I right that Toki had to be targeted twice and Petr did it one night and he had to continue it the next? megabluck, it's 6:30 am and now that I'm thinking about all of this will I be able to fall back asleep? And hooray! We finally got Toki who survived way too long for how Scummy he was acting. After writing that all out and reading over it again, I feel Canute is the Scummiest.

Agnar didn't target anyone. Shall we lynch Canute? I, of course, suspect everyone. But I'll post a little more after I wake up. What the Helheim are the Scum doing if they aren't killing? And if Canute is Scum, what's the joy of targeting Toki? I'm confused. Are they recruiting? One or two left? Did Canute recruit (little poem) Agnar last night?

Well, it's been over seven hours and it's past 2 am. Thanks for ruining Christmas again!

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Oh, yes. You caught me. My tactic was to get rid of as much of my team as possible. And with a Scum team apparently not killing, who would have killed me before now? And whittle down to what? There are only five people left after tonight.

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vote: Toki (TrumpetKing) I hope you are the last one.

If it was so frustrating, why did you stick to it for multiples paragraphs in every post and insisting on responding to every post I made? Careful, now. Pernilla is an attack pig.

Lauga had a role where she had to guess who was going to be killed as well. Maybe I'm grasping at straws but hopefully I'm getting everyone thinking. There's got to be some way to prove it was Canute all along. Something caused him to practically beg everyone to lynch me and then call me a liar with every breath until the last minute of the day when he magically thought I was Town and yet protected Toki from me anyway. Six days of hiding?

The Serial Killer in Ragnarok 2 got a strongarm modifier if he guessed the lynch correctly. Are you mocking me?