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Oh, cool. Did you read Unrest in the Forest? Apparently, there's a tactic for being the Miller. You're supposed to claim in your first post. I didn't know until I played that game. So obviously Town, thank you. Apparently a lot of people thought I was Scum the whole game despite leading the Town to lynch three Scum. Poor me!

Another thing about this game, maybe it's age, but I started to have a dangerous disconnect with what I knew vs. what everyone else knew. A couple of people mentioned Pandora as suspicious to me and I would think "But she killed LazyChicken" and then realize I was the only one who knew that. This is also the hardest I've tried to keep the town block separate from each other. Obviously, that's just as dangerous as revealing too much. :wacko: Everything about this game was wacko . I think it's the most I've ever used that emoticon. I felt so bad after you flipped Town because if I had tracked you instead we would've been on our way to working together as it would've seemed the Scum were trying to get us to kill you. But, at the same time, you were the Miller. Did you know you were the Miller? I imagine it would've been much worse if we had investigated you instead of killing you. But I don't think I knew the investigator until Day Three anyway.

Also, it was the worst timing. As I was talking to the anonymous Scum, Darkdragon was online. She sent me a PM as I was talking to the Scum (again, I know Darkdragon isn't dumb, but figured she might feel free to PM me while talking to me on the writeboard as WIFOM) and the PM came off in all the wrong ways, unfortunately for her. She had been very sick and hadn't been paying attention to the game and a couple of things she said, which sucks because they were sincere, pinged me. She doesn't like to reveal personal conversations so I won't say what but that coupled with the trashed comment made me think she was overdoing not paying attention to make sure she wasn't vig–killed and I figured she had been so sick that she wasn't thinking clearly and accidentally posted with her real name... So, there was also the timing of that. It was really a perfect storm. She was my tracking target before any of that because, as I said, we go to conventions together and I wanted to know if I could trust her. Unfortunately, all of that other stuff happened and I switched my target to Pie. It was a good move on your part Dragonfire, even if my acting on it insults someone no matter which way you look at it.

I underestimated you by believing you wouldn't be smart enough to try to incriminate Darkdragon. So there.

I had a similar experience in Unrest. My advice to future hosts, from my experience as player and host, is to be sure your win conditions are clear for all factions and make sure the rules reflect them from the beginning. I said I thought you would have a valid gripe. I was honestly pinged a bit by your mentioning the win condition change a few times in private and seeming to push it away from TPRU's explanation.

Yes, Corney provided me with the constant reassurance I need in order to live. Mostly I sent him texts after lynches "Pie was Scum, right?" or "What if Adam was the traitor this whole time?" That sort of conscience.

No worries. My take–away from this game is to slow down and think about things before killing. I even checked Mafiawiki and didn't find shapeshifter so I really thought you were making shit up. I was shocked to see you flip Town. But your role would've been really hard to ever use. You had to know a little bit of everything and only a perfect storm would make use of it. It was ducked, I might have mentioned, in my opinion.

Maybe and I'll consider that next time. I do tend to receive PMs from non-players calling me Scum...in every game I play. And then conversations just start. I caused some trouble amongst friends when I first started playing again lying about my role to people who weren't playing and the implication was that I was sick for doing so. Perhaps I should find some balance. I find it a little uppity to say to somebody "I won't discuss the game while it's in progress." And for Cornelius, there was nowhere else for me to turn and most of what we talked about was "What the hell is going on in this game???"

You have to follow through. If you'd have been right, you'd be a hero! You still are in my book. Like I said, your final request echoed in my head whenever I started suspecting Adam. I felt comfortable listening to what you said because I knew I could blame everything on you if I got it wrong.

*shakes fist* Time Zones!!!

I even thought exactly that at one point, that the Scum had kept the conversion and couldn't get the kill back until the conversion was successful. I usually make the kill and conversion the same role since it's one or the other so that wouldn't happen. So, I still thought it was more likely the Scum were choosing to attempt conversions, but they had told me they didn't have a conversion. Plus, there were much crazier theories for me to consider and Pie and Pandora for me to scream at, so who had time for simple logic?? I do love my new title, by the way. Cornelius? Pandora? At first I thought you meant that you had a one–shot backup of any Town PR that had been killed and the investigator was dead, but I hadn't announced that in the day thread so...I thought I had totally caught you. That might be why it seemed Scummy because I didn't hide the intensity very well. For everyone else's sake, I asked her what Actions she had been offered as one–shots and she came back with "If you're leading the Town block, you should know." and then after I explained that I was only validating the claim, she explained how I had misunderstood the role which seemed to me like backtracking. You also told me it was a Townie version of a shapshifter, which was my Scum role in Ragnarok II and then proceeded to tell me how you thought it would be overpowered as a Scum role. So I thought you were bonkers and had totally botched a fake role claim. If you think your made–up role would be an over–powered Scum role, why did you tell me it was a Townie version of it? Sorry we killed you. One more question. When did you get my request to switch to Lady K? I imagined you got it on time but didn't change because you thought I might be Scum.

No, you did amazing considering this was your first game. By the end of the day, I regretted the lynch. Well, I never really wanted it but you did a great job working with me on the Vengeful claim. I thought there was more time left in the day when I unvoted you. That was a frustrating day because we lost three Townies in one fell swoop just as I was starting to figure you guys out. I think we would've lost Lady K either way, but I was getting a town–read from you and Jack Jonespaw. I should've mentioned that JJP was town–reading to me but for one, I wasn't sure and I do realize it would've looked Scummy to defend someone after one conversation by PM. As I said, I wanted you to take out Dave but it is your game so I didn't want to try to pressure you. I've been yelled at for playing other people's games for them before. More than once. But it worked out. It would've been interesting to have a Day Eight with no Scum and a Serial Killer with the players being me, Jack Jonespaw, Chromeknight, Pandora, CallMePie, TrumpetKing and Adam. I wonder who all would've gotten lynched before we figured out Pandora. I probably would've been lynched on Day Eight. As it was, I didn't get lynched but it basically destroyed the trust of the Town block. How close was I to getting lynched? I never felt like it was a great threat but I could be wrong. I know the writeboard thought it would've helped if I had de–escalated the argument and called for cooler heads and admitted I could see Pie's point, but that would've taken some out–of–game perspective at that point. When I'm wrongfully accused I launch right into defense. I don't want it to sit there long enough to fester and have a chance for people to believe it. I just went into attack mode. I should probably reconsider that next time. I think I did try to calm it down in a way when I laid out a different plan of lynching Dave and blocking me. But, in that proposal, I also called Pie an megablocks. And then I got worried that he wasn't letting up at all himself. I had a Night result to base my argument on. He was just postulating a Scum–SK joint which is silly and the way for us to win he was proposing seemed far–fetched to me. Chromeknight, why did you still want to lynch me on Day Ten? Am I the only player that can guide the Town to three Scum lynches and still be suspected? Or would def and Shadows fall into that category too?

Just the last two. They're the only games that have made me lose my mind a little. Yeah, ooops. Didn't it occur to you guys that either dd or Mencot could be the traitor? And when you said my misleading comments got your kill blocked, it actually made me think you had use the recruiting Action since my comments don't physically cause the block Action in the game, so that backfired on you a little. Of course, my own theorizing backfired on me and my correct assumption that you guys tried to recruit and Mist hadn't killed got lost. But ha ha, Pie. I was right! Pie, when was the last time we were both on the same side and won? Werewolf? I also believe that was the last time I was Town and survived and won. There was a bit of that happening in this game where someone would say "Oh, so we just happened to block Mist and they just happened to not kill that night? " If Pie used the laugh emoticon with me one more time on Day Eight, I was going to find out where he lived. And although we now know it was all trying to make us believe the lie, we also had the "So the Scum just happened to kill Palathadric on Night One..." Never listen to these types of arguments, people. There have been crazier coincidences in Mafia. Except the number of Scum and the Mist–speak incriminated your actual traitor. However, I was like a dog with a dead racoon that just wouldn't listen to anyone telling me to just leave it alone. I kept going back and trying to analyze the nonses. That was what got you investigated. It's an unfortunate side effect of Scum Perspective. There was no reason for you to think the way you did and have it match the feeling from Duvors's board, which became even more obvious when he flipped Town and therefore had to be telling the truth. How would this have worked out had the Scum been killing? TPRU, are you going to do game and player analysis? I just love to hear what people think of me. So, I'm a tiny bit self–centered, so? Shoot me.

Pernilla!!! It's better than I could've hoped for. And she brought me back to life! Good piggy. Good...wait a minute! Who's this boar? Don't think I'll be granting you Pernilla's hoof in marriage just yet! I don't care what bloodline you're from. Pernilla deserves the best only. Pernilla does seem to like him, though. My baby's growing up. Wait. She fed me his meat? This is weird. And he hasn't been cooked at all. Thanks again for the amazing game and entertainment but I think it bears special mention for putting up with me during the last three game days. I suppose if everyone was as impatient and bonkers as me, nobody would host games here. Thanks for the enjoyable and loooooong experience.

And to you! I'm so happy you played this one. Thanks for picking through my rambling theories and ultimately agreeing with me. I was very nervous. That's great advice! I should try that next time.

You were my tracking target, so I did not plan to kill you until that happened. And no, I don't think you're dumb. It is easy to login from a phone and not realize your name sticks from the last board you posted from on that device but it needed to be tested either way. The comment that was trashed was the smartest question they asked if that makes you feel any better. If only I would've listened! The SK win should be alone, I believe. The only reason I killed Foog in Unrest was because I was (incorrectly) told I would beat both teams if I did. Despite some missteps in hosting in the past, that is how I would set it up if I was to host again, only one faction can win.

No worries at all! If anyone understands brain fritz, it's me... For a little while, I actually really thought the Scum's only Action might be to turn a player into a bomb. I loved playing with you! This is the first time we've worked so closely and I really enjoyed it. I liked working with the entire Town block even though Pandora was a liar and Pie lost his shit! This game was a blast because of you guys! I did think the same thing TPRU said about it being like Ragnarok I where the Town almost lost it assuming it was too easy to steamroll a bumbling Scum team. From ... when was that? ... Day Eight onward! Anyway, we targeted each other. I was shocked you were killed but not necessarily surprised you blocked me. I honestly didn't expect a Day Eleven, though. After you and Pie were gone, whenever I started suspecting Adam, Pie's parting request echoed in my head, "lynch Petrus". So, I'm glad my first instinct was influenced by what you guys were able to see and I could not before that. I'm also relieved that the paranoia didn't set in until later in the day and after Pandora went to sleep. Who knows what would've happened if it ended up in my control in the waning hours... I sent TPRU a PM that said "What if I was redirected off of Pandora onto the vig??" and "OMG, Adam was the traitor. Have I killed my Pernilla? " I wanted Pernilla to have an elaborate sub–plot and sent TPRU, almost, a script.

No worries! Just to share my experience, when you roleclaim you should expect the question "Who were your targets?" A good townie will try to confirm your story and analyze the logic behind who you targeted. Refusing to give targets seemed Scummy to me...obviously. Also, your role was so convoluted, it sounded like you were making it up. Sorry about that.

I hear a rumor that it's Pernilla's story! I love that Pandora and I were the first options for kill. What a different game that would've been!

That writeboard is awesome. Now to read the Scum one.

Nah. I actually have an adverse reaction to it. It makes me hyper and talkative. This should be rule 4. No need to apologize! I did say (thinking the game was ending after Pie was lynched) that I'd be happy to see you win as SK, especially after you helped me through Unrest. However, I didn't say I'd help you do so if I was still alive and kicking and I had to play my role. My conscience in this game, Cornelius Murdock, who provided me the constant reassurance I need or I will die, said he felt bad for you playing so hard and losing right before the end. Poor guy had to do a lot of "No, I don't think there are three Scum teams." "No, I doubt he was a reverse death miller." He was truly the 24th player of the game. I second this (and for Tariq and medium too)! Just look at how crazy this game was. It is not a great litmus test for the basics of Mafia. It was pretty nuts and I agree that you played the game pretty well, all things considered. Please join us again! I think there are many examples of SK winning with the Scum. One of def's game (or was it Draggy's?), Me in Unrest in the Forest, Sandy's HP game...

Hindsight is 20/20...and I'm still floating different theories. And great game, Pandora! It really is a shame we, again, were not on the same side. We'll win a game together some day. Sorry about lynching you and all.

:wub: Citing precedent! Block precedes kill.

I wish there was a way to quote on the writeboard. I've seen this sentiment a couple of times but as I pump out about 90 theories a second, I have no idea to tell which times I was right. If you weren't really the investigator, I couldn't tell you she was the vig... Interesting. I've done it twice now. It's awesome. The target had to not only be a PR but also killed. That's why. What a mess.

Remember I first asked you to investigate Pandora?