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Doesn't it stand to reason that he would block me, then? I could see Cranebeinn saying something like "If you're going to stay home then I'll block Pudding. If anyone is killed we'll know it's Agnar." If he wanted to lynch me today, don't you think he'd block me last night? He said this to the two of us right before the day started: "There aren't many actions left to coordinate. Either Petrus kills me or you (Or Agnar?) I could block her or not (or Agnar or you) You could track the kill or block and hope to catch someone scumming it up It's a bit redundant now with four people left" It would be easier if you weren't trying so hard to make me out to be Scum and not looking into Agnar at all. As I've said, it's hard to see Agnar as Scum as I tracked him twice doing nothing. I suppose it would be really hard for you to claim to believe me and suspect Agnar because if you believe me then you have to admit he did nothing on Night Nine. If he held off on killing on Night Nine to cause this tension between us then he's done a great job but I would think the two of us seemed the closest after being accused by Canute together and then voting together and seeming to share the same suspicions. You just seem more likely to be the person lying at this point. I've looked at the things Agnar said. I thought it was a little weird that he chose to watch us before posting. Like he wanted the tension to build so he wouldn't be suspect. He seemed to do the same thing on Day Eight. But the explanation he gave about distracting the information we were providing makes sense and it appears he was talking with Cranebeinn privately on Day Eight. I'm really nervous. I know I'm Town. Whoever is lynched, it ends the game. Even a no lynch, there's no tomorrow. I was really surprised to see a kill at all. But as I've said several times, we all know you have a Night Kill. I have evidence that Adam didn't do anything on Night Nine and it's highly likely he would've with only four people left and that he could've if he were Scum since there can't be more than one Scum left. But I truly believe that there's a Serial Killer and I didn't want that to be the case. I was worried about it and probably should've voted with Cranebeinn and Canute yesterday but I really wanted to win together. I'm sure the Town will want to kill me for that and I have to be a good sport and fully admit...that it's all Canute's fault. If he hadn't flipped out I wouldn't have gotten tunnel vision on him. I really thought he was Scum. Like I said, the rule change and some of the things you said were really nagging at me yesterday but I was convinced Canute was Scum. Now I'm rambling again. I'm thinking about this game too much. I should be working and packing. I'm so far behind. This game shouldn't have lasted over a month. I could but I'm not. That's what was said at the times they were said. Huh? I didn't deny that. I know I asked you to. Agnar knows why. We discussed it before I asked you. That was the plan. Sorry you think it was so stupid. But wouldn't anybody think it was you? You're the only one with a kill ability. And I still don't understand why assuming that the killer killed the killee automatically makes me Scum. Am I supposed to deny the result of my own Action and think that someone I tracked twice in the game who was doing nothing both times even after all the possible Scum were dead suddenly gained the ability to kill?
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If I were Scum, why would I try to get you to change your vote to Agnar when you are already being lynched? I've laid out my reasoning for believing you killed Cranebeinn very clearly. You have provided no discussion. In my first post, I voiced my reasoning behind suspecting you. Your idea that it is a "full–scale attack" is Serial Killer PerspectiveTM. I'm not Scum. I am Town. If you are Town and you get lynched, Agnar (and by association the Scum team) wins. I'm Town.
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Let me throw this out there to either further solidify Agnar's choice or to make Petrus think twice about this if he is, in fact, the vig. It's Day Eight and there are seven people left. If I'm Scum, then there is Me, Toki and Petr vs. Agnar, Cranebeinn, Canute and Petrus. For whatever reason I decided to bus Petr (and Toki), let's just assume for argument's sake I do that. So I go to the Town PRs and say "Petr is Scum. He was targeting Toki after claiming vanilla". The protector says "Let's lynch the vig." Why wouldn't I just say "Ok."? Maybe it's too late. Maybe since I already revealed a finding on Petr, I don't want to risk being caught by agreeing to kill the vig when I've already revealed my Action implicates Petr. Maybe I'm even afraid it's a sting to test me. But then, the Town comes up with a plan to not lynch at all. Why do I go insane getting Petr lynched at that point? Why don't I go into the Night Phase with three Scum and four Town and block Petrus and kill Cranebeinn or Canute? And win? I'm not defending myself when I reveal my result on Petr, nobody has accused me at that point, and there's no reason for a Scum to try and solidify trust with the Town block when there are seven people left and just one mislynch away from winning. If I were Scum and took the actions I've taken in this game, I'd be the worst Scum ever. It sounds like you're purposely taking that out of context as you can see I also make a case against him at the same time. But let's look at a paraphrased conversation with me and Danr. By my time zone, the above quote is on July 25, 8:28 am July 25, 8:14 am: Danr: You were right! Dar is Scum. July 25, 8:44 am: Me: Yes! Cranebeinn targeted who he said he was going to. July 25, 8:45 am: Me: Double Post: When should we reveal the result? We don't want a day where we can't draw people out because they have the easy vote on Dar. July 25, 8:52 am: Danr: Wait until at least voting starts. July 25, 8:54 am: I'm trying to set his guard down in-thread, maybe I can get something out of him in private. ______ And it continues until he's murdered. I know it was somewhat of a silly plan to try and draw him out. What was he going to do, relax and tell me who his Scum team was? But I was trying to get suspicions off of him to see if I could glean anything from what he said. Well, 1. What is there to discuss when I think everyone is going to lynch Petr because he lied? So nobody talking didn't clue me into the suspicions at all. I was taken completely by surprise... and 2. I was house and dog sitting and swimming all day and actually didn't just sit by the group PM waiting for people to say things. I didn't think of it. What's to explain? My point is that Agnar can look at the exact messages where we came up with this particular plan. So what if I didn't mimic the exact thing that happened with Cranebeinn? How does that seem Scummy? It just proves I didn't think of it as a tactic. I was still trying to come up with ways to kill Scum. So, after Petr and Toki turned up Scum? They were still suspecting me and not talking to me? Cranebeinn talked to me a lot. You know that. Some of it was in a conversation with you. I never tried to talk to Canute in private again after voting started on Day Eight.
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How would I know if you two were talking without me or not? And since the two of you were, I imagine he expressed some distrust of me. Probably enough to block me. Maybe he even told you that, leaving you free to kill knowing you wouldn't be tracked. I didn't have to tell Danr to investigate Dar, which is what I did. I'm aware I can't prove that, but it is what happened. I told him to investigate Dar. He was thinking Kapmaud or Toki and wanted to wait to see what Lodmund flipped and I told him I thought even if Lodmund flipped Town, it was still likely Dar was Scum. So he targeted Dar instead. Because I convinced him to. No. I told you, Canute and Cranebeinn via PM before reporting it in the thread and I reported it long before Canute started accusing me. Agnar even pointed that out. Again, she knows why I did it as we discussed it before I asked you. But when was this? Because I didn't know anybody suspected me until Canute said it in-thread on Day Eight. And Cranebeinn never seemed to share the suspicion on the same level and neither did you. Nobody talked to me after Canute accused me but we were talking up until I revealed my result to everyone via PM at the beginning of the day. At which point Canute said we should lynch you. Are you suggesting they both suspected me of "playing them false" after Petr and Toki both turned up as Scum? The point is I revealed it before I was accused or was even aware of any suspicion. What you need to consider, if you're not the Serial Killer, is that Adam is the one lying. I'm the Town Tracker. I'm not lying. I was blocked. You're the killer. Agnar was tracked twice doing nothing. The conclusion I reach is that you're lying. If you're telling the truth and the votes don't change, Agnar wins as Scum.
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Was he going to reply with "Not me. I'm the Serial Killer."?
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Your profile said that your last login was on the 18th and this post was started on the 19th... By the way you can swear if you put nonsense code in the middle of a word: fu[size=4]c[/size]k
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You read the thread as a guest for two days?
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This is somewhat ambiguous. If the game mechanics had a conversion from the beginning then this wouldn't be a "change" per se to the mechanics of the entire game. Am I pushing my luck in asking if this win condition would have applied to us on Day One?
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I don't want to muddy things up with more rambling but I can't stop turning things over in my head. I'll try to be concise. In Ragnarok I, we converted the vig to Scum. On the night he killed the last Scum he became the last Scum. It really sucked for him because he had a great game then lost despite killing all of the Scum. But, it's possible we've seen the same thing happen and that's why we started seeing no more killer. Maybe they had something like we did in Ragnarok I and converted our vig to neutral which would really suck for him and that's why... ...Oh crap, that might be why we had a different win condition on Night Six or Seven. When we had the "convert to neutral" role, it was a two-shot and as I said earlier, it was only after we lost several members that we were allowed to use the second shot to convert someone to Scum. Did they convert our vig to Serial Killer? Did they convert him to Scum? Would TPRU create a role where the Scum would convert someone to an enemy? It would truly suck to have played as well as he did at the beginning to become Scum or even Serial Killer later in the game. My main concern with Petrus's Actions today is that they are basically an elaborate OMGUS. As I postulated earlier, perhaps she killed Cranebeinn instead of me because she thought I'd be easier to sway towards lynching Agnar than Cranebeinn would be. But then I blurted out my suspicion and she had to go after me or lose the game. If she went after Agnar and I was going after her, Agnar would likely vote for her. But, if she was the vig, I would expect her to say "Whoa. I didn't kill anybody, so let's think about what could've happened." And if she didn't need to get one of us lynched would've looked more closely at us especially after the way she responded to Agnar yesterday, calling his bomb claim Scummy. If the Scum team somehow absorbed the vig, I imagine they would only be allowed one kill. Maybe I still have my PMs from Ragnarok I. I'll check... I did keep all of the PMs. In one message I got two answers: TPRU says blocks happen before kills. We converted the vig to neutral and then to Scum and he was able to keep his kill. Perhaps Toki and Petr converted Petrus and then he was the killer and they kept two other roles. I know this is rambling and all of my rambling theories yesterday got us nowhere and it even got Canute killed when he was telling the truth. I just can't help but try to think it all through. I want to get it right.
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And Scum typically get half of their team lynched? But I see your point. I don't want to get stuck on this theory like I did with Canute. But I still can't believe Agnar would be the last Scum and not have done anything on Night Nine. Maybe since Lambi was a middle range poster, you targeted him and it was a surprise he was Scum? But I even thought he was Scummy on Day One. OK. Since I can't believe Agnar would have an Action and you are a killer and I didn't kill Cranebeinn and you are denying killing him, I have to conclude that you are the Serial Killer. So, I don't know why you'd go after Scum on Day One. It would make sense for why you'd break out of the names we discussed. But Scum were dropping quickly. You haven't killed any Scum since then. Although you did start the case against Jarl. Yeah, this may be a good point but your insistence (and it is actually insistence) that I killed Cranebeinn when I actually did nothing, your dropping your theory that dead Cranebeinn couldn't have blocked me and not suspecting Agnar at all just give me the feeling that I'm right (and so was Canute and to an extent, Cranebeinn) that you're the Serial Killer. If Agnar could kill, don't you think he would've on Night Nine? I'm not denying that. I said you did a good job catching Scum but we were all there for that day. I think there wouldn't have been a lynch or Cranebeinn would've been lynched had I not done what I did. I went back and looked more thoroughly and discovered that I thoroughly expressed giving a megabluck. Where's the discrepancy? I didn't reveal the Town block to each other until Day Six. Why would I tell you who the bomb was if you could be the Serial Killer? Because I imagine it could be somewhat transparent and how many people did I want to suggest to that I wanted them to accuse Agnar? I go to Canute and he figures out that I just wanted to defend him and he figures out that I'm trying to get the Scum to target him and therefore he's the bomb and you see what happens and you know too and now a potential Scum and the Serial Killer both know who the bomb is. You politely declined and I decided there were better uses of my time than chasing around the rest of the players, who might also decline, to try and accuse Agnar when it might possibly be giving away that he is the bomb instead of encouraging the Scum to target her and explode.
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She can tell you. We were trying to come up with ways to get the Scum to target her. If you would've started a case against her, I would've defended her and the Scum would've thought she was an important role and targeted her and "Kablooie!" just like Nika. Yeah, it was funny. And I like when you say "What the actual megabluck?" too. And ticketyboo. This conversation is making me all kinds of dizzy. I imagine that you'll agree that you were the Serial Killer in the conclusion, but understand that you can't now.
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Hey! Who are you calling normal? That would be a really stupid assumption to make, anyway. Remember that game you helped me through where I was the Serial Killer? I killed Scum. Serial Killers kill anyone. Anyone who plays Mafia would know that. Then came back and unvoted Cranebeinn and asked people to choose between Jarl and whoever the hell else and I voted for Jarl and a bunch of people followed and he was lynched. Yes I remember. Way to try to change history. I'm lost in a hell of quotes and responses. The Town block and I discussed all targets and as I said last time I was being accused, and neither Cranebeinn or Canute denied it, they changed my mind on several targets. We've already established how you and I discussed targets and did I want you to kill Danr? When else did I "have" you kill anyone? But I'm not insisting on anything. I'm looking into our conversation and finding potential discrepancies. I said I believe it could be either. It is possible for you to have discerned Danr was the investigator and it is possible you thought I was Scum hiding a teammate. The Serial Killer needs to find both sides. The fact that you're trying to say I'm insisting on that is what is truly ... Serial–Killer–y.
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What logic? You've just pulled it out of your poo-pipe with zero evidence. It's completely illogical as I am Town and I am the Tracker. I might've mentioned that before. I think that Cranebeinn was killed by...wait for it...the killer, which is you. Serial Killer not vig. By your logic, Agnar is just as likely to be the killer. Yet, you stick to your theory despite all logic and without any evidence. Did I? I weighed my options and decided that the killer did the killing. Agnar having an Action goes against the results of my Action which is the only thing I can fully trust. I'd really hate it if he's Scum and you and I are Town accusing each other endlessly. No. Two pages earlier. Not that it matters but it was before that conversation, right? And here's what the code was. I had been telling Canute about my suspicions over whether you were the vig or Serial Killer. He needed to know your identity in case I was killed. But I wasn't comfortable with that at the time. So I told him if I was killed to go to you and the number you gave him would be the number of the person in the list of players in the confirmation thread who was the vig. You. And then if you gave him the other number, it would be Agnar, the bomb. So if you didn't trust Pie you'd tell him that Agnar was the vig. Yes, I forgot you could just kill him if you didn't trust him. I told Agnar the same code, hoping to connect the three of you if I died. Canute and Danr both knew who the blocker was.
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He planned that with me. To get the Scum to target him. So he'd explode. What insistence? Where? Well it's not. I'm the Town tracker. Have I mentioned? Should we go through all of things that we knew because I reported it? And why would Scum track Townies who claimed to him? To make sure they weren't lying about their Town roles?
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Maybe I don't know exactly what is happening because I'm Town and it's my job to figure it out, not to kill everyone. I wouldn't expect you to say you're the Serial Killer, you know. Or some other faction or enemy, like...Serial Killer, maybe? My point is that you weren't claiming vig to me at the time. You were just associating the Lambi kill with the vig and distancing it from the Serial Killer. That's what is suspicious. Then you don't actually say you're the vig until four game days later when it's clear nobody is counterclaiming. While I do think vig vs. Serial Killer is more of a discrepancy, my feeling was that you were cautiously never mentioned the term "vigilante". When someone says "I tracked you killing Scum"...the alignment is very specifically up in the air with killing roles. The Serial Killer tell is different than Scum tell because you have to find out who the Scum are if you need to kill everyone. So naturally you are looking for the Scum and you did a great job. That's why it would suck to lose after playing a great game. We'll yell at Hosty for it later. Are you suggesting that I shapeshifted your kill but only used it three times throughout the game? So the "Dead men can't block" argument just evaporated, huh? He would've voted to lynch you today. You stand a better chance only trying to convince one of us to lynch the other and you couldn't target the bomb. I have no idea what she thinks and perhaps my participle is dangling. What I meant was "If I am lynched it will be knowing full well that I am Town." I will know that I'm Town as I'm lynched. Because I know this. Because it's in my role PM. That's what I am: the Town Tracker. Well, I hope that turning over three Scum corpses is enough, but only time will tell. I hope anyway. Agnar hasn't been around for a while. Did you kill her too? No matter what happens, the game will end, finally. It's been fun but I've spent a lot of time on this game and I didn't expect for it to go this long. If Agnar is Scum and you're the Serial Killer then I'm just a pawn anyway. I want (the Town) to win but I can't really be confident in anything right now. It's all up to Agnar, I believe.
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OK, so if you did stay home (which I obviously doubt) why would I be the killer in this case and not Agnar? You're usually pretty good at considering all possibilities so this seems weird to me. I wish I had been successful because I would've seen who Cranebeinn did block and I'd have no question in my mind who killed him. As it stands, I only know that I did not as I am the Town Tracker. Maybe I've mentioned that somewhere before. Oh really? Well Vpye your face, Hosty!
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Again, I'm surprised you aren't considering any possibilities. The idea that I would be able to kill is silly, in my opinion. I was unsuccessful, assuming I was blocked by Cranebeinn. Maybe you are compulsive and hoped you were blocked by Cranebeinn. I've trusted you way too easily. When you killed Danr, I looked back over our conversation but since it's so long and I've been so busy, I just did a Ctrl+F for Dan and looked where his name had come up. Reading through the thread I find something much more interesting. On July 17th, I tell you that Danr is someone I'm considering tracking after you go on about him unvoting and how that was Scummy because he thought he wasn't going to be around but then he was. I don't mention any other names that I consider tracking. And then I don't give you any results on Day Four to what I found on Day Three. Then when discussing Night Actions for Night Four which is when you kill Kapmaud, we have this interchange: (after discussing the difference between 11 and 16 for two pages ) Me: Can we discuss kill targets so we don't cross any NAs? Petrus: Sure. Give me a list of people to consider. Me: Dar, Toki, Kapmaud. The blocker is considering the same options. I'll track whichever one is not blocked or killed. Petrus: No, a list of people not being considered by the other NAs so I won't interfere with who they're targeting. Me: But you also have to avoid the PRs themselves. Petrus: It's best not to tell me who any of them are. Should I just go with my gut? Me: Not if your gut tells you to kill the blocker, protector, investigator or bomb. Petrus: Then shall I stay home? Me: Dar is being investigated so kill Toki or Kapmaud. Skip to Night Five Me: The investigator is targeting Dar so that would be a waste if you also killed him. Petrus: OK, Lauga or Petr? Me: Lauga was investigated as Town. How about Tarr, Jafri or Ragnvald? Petrus: (reactions to those three names) What about Petr? Me: One one hand, you can stay home as we're ahead. On the other hand you can remove a potential suspect. (and onto the spot where Petrus kills Danr) OK, so when I freak out that you kill the investigator you say that I didn't seem like a gave a megabluck who you killed. Does what I said actually sound like I don't give a megabluck?? I specifically say exactly what I didn't think you understood that people I didn't mention shouldn't be targeted. Since I told you I trusted Pie and you knew Cranebeinn was the blocker and we discussed every other person, it may be very obvious to you who the investigator is. And the investigator is the only person who could ruin your gambit as the vig. I looked over everything I have with Agnar too. If he's Scum it's a huge case of WIFOM with the anonymous writeboard gambit. Also, the final Scum traditionally is given a block and a kill so he could've blocked me and killed Cranebeinn. But if he was able to do that, he definitely could've done something on Night Nine when I tracked him doing nothing. I'll keep looking into both of you but I think my vote is currently in the right place. *any other possibilities. And the couple of times we discussed you staying home that was a perfectly viable solution for those nights and yet you never stayed home. I don't know that Hosty would make a Serial Killer compulsive but he had a vig and a compulsive vig in Ragnarok I. Geez, I left a lot of analysis out. Not only is it possible to figure Danr by process of elimination, I tell you I'm considering tracking him on the night after I announce an investigator contacts me and then I don't report any results from tracking nor do I start any cases about Danr. So while your story about not trusting me is believable, since I know I am Town and your accusation seems silly to me, it is possible you were purposely searching for the investigator. The original way our win condition was worded would make it sound like we could win with the Serial Killer. I think the Town would have a good reason to gripe if we couldn't and the rules didn't reflect that. As it is, if you are the Serial Killer, I think you have a good reason to gripe if that is what he did.
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Vote: Petrus Fire–Starter (Pandora) I really would've liked to have both of us win this but I don't think we're on the same side. I wish the Serial Killer could win with the Town but it appears that that is not the case. If Agnar lynches me, congratulations on a well–deserved win. It would suck if we were both Town and Agnar was Scum. But he didn't do anything on Night Nine when the last two lynched Scum were already gone. I think he would've done something...like kill me. If the dead are screaming at me, I just can't hear them...
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Everyone probably knew I couldn't quit rambling, cold turkey. My theory, because if I were in this situation (assuming Petrus is the Serial Killer) I wouldn't want to kill anyone last night so as not to be incriminated. When I was the SK in Unrest, I was compulsory. Maybe...maybe Petrus tried to kill Toki on Night Eight and Cranebeinn on Night Nine and last night had to kill and Cranebeinn was the best bet. I do wonder what would've happened if Agnar had posted first thinking Petrus was the Serial Killer. Before I told you you had been tracked targeting Lambi. And you postulated that Patrekr (not Palathadric ) had been a Serial Killer target and you thought there was a kill missing... On Day Four. Before that, everything was very carefully worded, which is why I asked you to say it. It was making me uncomfortable. And I revealed them to you afterwards so you wouldn't accidentally kill any more. And I fully believe you were checking to see if I was Scum. If you can't win with either side you have to try to figure out who the Scum are too. If I were Scum I would've: A. killed someone on Night Seven and said I tracked you doing it. Then we would've killed someone Night Eight and Toki, Petr and I would've outnumbered you. B. Instead of saying my track was blocked last night, I would've said I tracked Petrus and she targeted Cranebeinn. At least you admit you had no good reason to kill Cranebeinn. You're the only remaining player with a known killing Action. I've clearly tracked everyone, some several times and Agnar continuously does nothing. (Truth be told he has some nudey carvings, but that's none of our business, really). Maybe you should've suggested that you tried to kill me and I redirected you onto Cranebeinn. That might've been more believable. Not for me, but maybe for Agnar. Then again, I can't speak for Agnar so I might be lynched after all, knowing full well that I'm Town. I told Danr to investigate him. We have no way to confirm that, I'm aware. But that's what happened. Don't you hurt my Pernilla! Isn't this a confession? Wow, that's worded terribly. My theory, because if I were Petrus in this situation (assuming he is the Serial Killer)...
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Here's an example: Granted that's from one of my own games. I'll look to see if something similar happened in a Ragnarok game. If a player with a non-informative action is killed, that action is still performed. If you are trying to kill a player and stop their action, they need to be blocked and killed. Informative roles aren't successful because the player can't use the information anyway. If you want to research it yourself, you'll find this to be standard in EB Mafia, I believe. Ragnarok I:
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But that's not what Hosty said at all. He said it's been that way all along, he just clarified it. You're trying to suggest game mechanics caused it. That's not what happened. Hosty said so. No. I know the opposite. Block happens before kill. He blocked me and you killed him. That's how Night Actions work.
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What are you, new? You expect anyone to believe that you really think a player targeted for a night also gets their Action blocked? Eh? You know that's not how it works. That should read "targeted for a night kill". Why, when I've been so busy, did I agree to play two Mafia games, thinking I'd be out long before the end, have I survived down to three people?
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I was hoping this was going to be your defense because now I know my suspicion is on the right person. I'm looking forward to this being over. Agnar, it looks like Petrus and I will be voting for each other. Whatever you choose, no hard feelings, but I'm Town. I don't care what happens to me as long as Pernilla is OK. It's the only logical explanation I can come up with. It was nagging at me yesterday. I even said so to you which you said you could understand. Today, you can't, of course. But, what else can you do? You have to try to win. It's the role you were assigned. You can't win with us. Which sucks because we had fun. I wish we could win together. I was hoping this wasn't the case but it seems clear to me now that it is. I should've lynched you yesterday but you can thank Canute for the extra day since he was the Scummiest player to ever play this game. Ever. I think other things but they are theories that my mind is coming up with and maybe I should keep them to myself for now. All the rambling I do may possibly hurt the Town. Including half of the Scum team, yes. I agree. I'm probably not the dead's favorite.
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I wish I would've muted my e-mail because now I can't sleep. Canute, thanks for all the protection, rest in peace and geez, you're an megablocks. I tracked Agnar twice and possibly three times if actions were being driven off of TK onto him. I've never seen him do anything. The most recent time I tracked him Toki and Petr, the last two Scum we lynched, were already dead. I don't think that if there was one remaining Scum, he'd be doing nothing. He'd at least choose the block to target the Serial Killer. Yup, Petrus is probably the Serial Killer. I trust Kara more than I trust Petrus and he clarified our win conditions for a reason. When I host I normally word win conditions that way to start the game. If the Serial Killer can win with either side, you can leave the rules as the EB Mafia standard. There aren't two Scum teams so why would Kara need to re-iterate how we win unless there's a third party we need to kill in order to win. Petrus said yesterday "If I were a Serial Killer, why is the whole Town block alive?" It's not all alive. The investigator was dead when he said that and now Canute (which is my doing, really) and Cranebeinn are both gone too. So, Palathadric could've been the vig. I found the investigator on Night One in Ragnarok II. So, it is possible. Petrus says he wouldn't have known it was ticketyboo to claim vig but he never said that to me until I forced him to, long after it was clear there was no counterclaim. He finally said he was the vig right before Day Four started when I basically asked him to say it. Why wouldn't he kill me? I told him when I contacted him about tracking him (for a while I pretended I was talking to a tracker) that I had told Canute I knew a tracker that was targeting Petrus. And if a Serial Killer can get into the Town block, why not wait around and see what damage they can cause knowing who has what PR? I did exactly that as the Serial Killer in the last game I played. Petrus knows people claim to me and might have the opportunity to learn all of the Power Roles through me and if he has to kill both Scum and Town to win all of his paranoia about if I was Scum or not would be genuine. Finally, the death of Cranebeinn highly incriminates him. Why kill anyone at all at this point? Well, I've been talking with Petrus from the very beginning and have shown him the most trust. His best bet to survive a lynch would be without one of the two people who wanted to lynch him yesterday. And since he didn't kill Agnar, he's probably afraid he is the bomb, further validating that claim. I don't understand why the vig would kill the blocker especially without discussing it with the tracker that turned over Dar, Petr and Toki. Six Scum, one Serial Killer. Almost 1/3 of us were enemies. It's clear to me that Agnar doesn't do anything at night. He played the traitor writeboard gambit. If he's Scum and saved his kill for Night Ten... But, if he was Scum I think he would've kept Cranebeinn alive to lynch Petrus with him. Doesn't that make sense? I have a feeling everyone is going to hate me after this game. But, I hope they don't hate Pudding–Head because he is awesome and Pernilla is an innocent animal so everyone should love her too. She deserves a happy life so I hope whatever happens in this game, she survives the conclusion and has someone to take care of her.
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What the megabluck? I tried to track Cranebeinn but was unsuccessful. Why he would block me instead of Petrus is beyond me. She clearly killed him. I can't believe this game is still going...