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There are other options to Canute's theory. Toki could be the killer choosing not to use it. This is making me anxious. You still haven't explained how night-killing him as opposed to lynching him gets us a chance to talk to him. The vig can also be blocked at night you know. We could lynch Petr and then have the vig blocked. Why not do it that way? Same result, right? But why would you lynch Petr when you first suggested when I told you he targeted Toki (and Cranebeinn can attest to) that he had a Townie action and didn't trust me or Cranebeinn to claim to us. When we wouldn't agree to lynch the vig you've switched to not believing me at all. But if I'm Town then he is Scum, now. So what happened to your idea that he had a Townie action?

Nothing. Knowing what I know, what else would I suggest? And what are you suggesting other than lynching me? You're spamming up the thread with your nonsense. What do I care about people on the fence? I'm telling the truth. Who are these people? Where are they? I'm beginning to not even like you. His theory makes no sense and seems like he wants Petr to make it to the night phase. Because you suspect me I'm supposed to stop voicing my suspicions? Blow it out your Pie-hole I can see the difference and it's one you're not acknowledging. Night-killing him gives him one more night to do whatever it is he does. Without having any idea what that is, why would you want to allow him another chance to do it?

Lynching him and vig-killing him achieve the same result. We wouldn't hear from him either way. It sounds again like you just want him to make it to the Night phase. And if you're leaning towards me being Town, you're leaning towards Petr being Scum. It's the best lead we've had in days. Why not follow through?

That decision is not up to only me. Or are you suggesting I'm so diabolical I could lynch someone on my own? So, humor me, and answer what you've ignored several times, if I'm lynched what do you do tomorrow when I flip Town? Because that is what would happen.

So, just to clarify, you refuse to see any other options other than me being Scum?

Which is why we're just now finding out he has an Action. You realize that supports my point as well, right? Who else would I have targeted but the person we didn't have a result on. He was the last person who none of us had targeted. We had no results on him. Now we do. But you'd rather lynch me. I'll try to put this gently: Anyone who believes that the vig or the SK would be working with the final Scum to clean up after not killing for a few days...is a fucktard. You honestly think our vig is the SK and has agreed to work with me?

What are you going to do when you find out I'm telling the truth? And it wasn't just the last Ragnarok game, I did it in the Forest game too. I'm surprised you haven't mentioned how I was Scum in both previous Ragnarok games. My performance in previous games isn't an argument. I'm Town. I'm the tracker. Petr told me he was vanilla. Petr targeted Toki. Petr lied. Why would he lie? Probably because he's Scum. Therefore, lynch Petr. Your theory is that I threw three of my fellow Scum under the bus in order to not use the kill and then try to get everyone to lynch the mastermind threat of a player, Petr. I can follow your train of thought as you say you had it in our PMs. That's one thing that makes me lean Town on you. But keeping the Town PRs alive to make them kill each other...is a weird theory to be so stuck on. That's what makes me suspicious of you. You're speaking nonsense and really sticking to it. To a fault. Like your butthole took the place of your mouth. Cranebeinn and I didn't like your plan to lynch the vig and now you're trying desperately to get me lynched...based on nonsense. I'm trying to lynch Petr...based on fact.

You're way too stuck on this. That is one of the biggest things pinging me about you now. I lean towards you as Town. But Townies normally aren't this confident in a ludicrous theory. As I refused to listen to what Agnar told me, you have definitely "picked one". Why do you insist on repeating your theory? I think you've made it clear. You're sounding almost desperate. If you're Town, will you even feel like an megablocks when you find out you're wrong? Because you are. Speaking of making things clear, have I mentioned that Petr targeted Toki? Speaking of Toki, where are you? Are you the person who keeps reading this thread as a guest?

I don't know if Canute is Scum or not. I refuse to pick one. I don't freaking know. As I've said, I've trusted him almost this whole game. Most of today, I'm telling him to stop being stupid. Not thinking he's Scum any more. But he has twice tried to convince us to lynch the vig! Even though I have a result on Petr, he still was pushing to lynch the vig. Since I know, and I realize I'm the only one currently with the benefit of knowing beyond a doubt that I'm telling the truth, that Petr targeted Toki, I can't help but thinking he's trying to buy Petr an extra day for some reason. His entire accusation stems on the fact that I would choose not to kill just to enjoy watching Townies kill each other. That answers things for him for some reason but it just isn't true. And it's not strong reasoning. Why would I choose not to kill when I'm (according to him) "controlling" the Town block who has all been very silent on this matter and as I've said I find them quite uncontrollable, thank you. So why wouldn't I just kill whoever I wanted since I know I'd be able to get away with it. Why are none of us dead???? I may not have been able to find any Scum, at least not since asking the investigator to target Dar. Not since then anyway. But I've certainly not let any of your identities leak. To a fault! Says the dead investigator. To be honest, I think Canute is probably Town, with his head up his megablocks. Yet I refuse to "pick one" as not leaving options open is the way to a dead Town. And as much as Canute wants you to believe that I'm against lynching the vig, I said, after getting my result that Petr targeted Toki that we should lynch Petr and discuss lynching the vig tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow. I understand what he wants to accomplish with that from a Town angle, but there's not much reason to believe that he isn't the vig. I do know that Petr targeted Toki and claimed vanilla. He should be lynched. Why have a day without a lynch? Why do you want it to go to Night phase without death? Your math may be "right" but the vig knows who the bomb is so I couldn't direct him to explode himself. So, now your math is off. Why aren't we hearing from more people? And you said you'd be suspicious of the bomb if Tarr ended up being Town and yet you haven't said a word about the bomb today. You want us to give the Scum another chance to do whatever they are doing that has us all confounded just to hear what Petr has to say. Why don't we lynch him and then you will all see that I am telling the truth? If he flips Town, then lynch me tomorrow. The vig, blocker and protector all are aware of what is going on. I can't kill anyone with my tracking action but since everyone has already been tracked, just block me. Doesn't that work too? What has Petr offered us so far that two of you are keen to give him a chance to explain himself? He has offered virtually nothing in analysis or accusation. He has lied. I caught him targeting Toki. No-brainer. Lynch Petr. What the megabluck?

I have given you something!!!!! Petr targeted mother-megablocking Toki. megabluck you. That's all I've got. It's the god damn truth. I guess I have one other thing: You're wrong!!!! I'm saying that yesterday his proclamation that he'd be at the zoo pinged me as I said in private to you and CK. And yes, it's possible he's staying away to survive the day.

You're doing an even worse job at Scum hunting because I am not Scum. I have the result on Pete targeting Toki. Notice Petr. Told us all he'd be on an emergency family trip to the zoo? Doesn't that seem like over compensating pre-defense? Promise me, if I'm lynched and there's a tomorrow, lynch Petr But for Odin's sake, please someone else weigh in here.

Canute, you're wrong. Maybe I'll go back and forth more with you later but it's too much right now. I'm very busy until later. You are wrong Why wouldn't I have just let Cranebeinn be lynched if I was Scum. You have tunnel vision, you aren't even considering other options and you are completely wrong.

Agnatha has been here twice. Agnar

You're beginning to seem a bit too obtuse for a Townie. And how would I have been exposed if I knew who everyone was targeting? Where's the risk, exactly? This makes no sense. I would kill people. It would not be the first time. Someone was also protected that night. We've also seen three other nights without a kill. The Scum mentioned that I got their kill blocked on that writeboard. There are definitely other options. You've been around long enough to know that. Weren't you Polina in Baritones 3? It happened to def in that game. We all discussed and took turns convincing each other. The other two will hopefully vouch that I've done my share of changing my mind. You haven't gone along with shit. We've never advised you on your Action. I did once, but there was no confirmation before Night Actions were due and nobody pressed you. It's pretty convenient to refuse to discuss who you were targeting...in case you were tracked, maybe? This is what a bad person would try to get those outside of the Town block to believe. Those in the Town block should know this was not the case. I mean, the vig killed the investigator, for megabluck's sake. By the way, Lauga's role...ducked. Like aluminum siding or concrete masonry unit? Awww, Poow Canute. Nobody has assuwaged his conewns. Poow Poow Canute. Your quote there describes how Mafia games are played. Sorry that I forgot how you were the hero who tried to spare Dagstyrr and Lauga with all of your freaking wisdom. I was originally tracking Dagstyrr and the vig can confirm that we decided to target him after discussing it. And he didn't just seem to be in the writeboard, his name was in the writeboard. I purposely left that part of the story out, and in fact, I said that the Scum were stupid and did nothing clever. at all. with the anonymous writeboard opportunity. I was waiting for someone to slip up or bristle about it. You seem to want to talk about it. Was it your idea to put "DD says" in the trashed comments? That was pretty smart. It must be really hard to be the bright shining beacon of brain cells in a dead pool. You're itching for everyone to know how you got Dagstyrr killed? Huh? Does poow Canute want some cwedit with his assuwagement? Doos hims? Since I can "whip out my kill" whenever I want, why wouldn't you block me? If I'm just making shit up, what makes you think I'm not already the killer? Doot de doot. Everyone's dead so I'll just sit here and wait...until I can get Petr killed...because...that's...when...killing should start again? Your reasoning is ducked. Not as ducked as Lauga's role but pretty ducked. We chose to track Petr and now you have the result. He targeted Toki. Have I mentioned that? How would this buy me time? Was I in danger of being lynched today? I don't think I was. As a matter of fact, wouldn't Petr be the natural choice for lynch today? Oh no, that's right. You wanted to lynch the vig. Bottom line, I'm still not making up the result and I'm starting to get worried that you're Scum and one mislynch away from winning. Miraculously. After the ten dumb stooges of Scum preceded you. I've already said, I don't know! You think there were four Scum to begin with? He has to be doing something and Toki isn't dead. He freaking lied. He is Scum. Period. If Toki was the traitor and contacted them and knew whatever it is he needed to know to be the real traitor or whatever do you think they would indicate that to us? Do you think the real traitor would've told Agnar and Lodmund and me about contacting them. Do you think you the Scum gave us the actual number of people who contacted them? Maybe Petr is protecting Toki? We did broadcast that we thought he was Scum. Petr even asked why he wasn't dead! Scum have had a protector in the past. In many games. I do not know what he's up to because I am not Scum. I only know that he did, in fact, target Toki and now you are turning against me despite trusting me the whole game, only after trying to convince me and Cranebeinn to lynch the vig. My reasoning amounts to...wait for it...he targeted Toki. My role doesn't tell me what he did. It just tells me he targeted him. So what do you think he was doing that is so Townie of him? What Townie role is he using on Toki? And don't tell me I'm making it up. It happened. So humor me for that second, Mr. Too–Obtuse–To–Be–Town. If, objectively, as a Townie should be, I'm telling the truth, what Townie thing was he doing for Toki? So am I Scum or not? Doesn't exist? If I'm not Scum, why would I have you chase nothing. What is happening? I never even knew exactly what people were doing before NA deadline. We discussed options so we wouldn't need to suspect each other. We discussed the best options and the blocker and vig chose their own targets...obviously. And you said you never wanted to discuss who you would be protecting. You've protected me for half of the game. Are you suggesting I tried to kill me? And I refuse to take the blame for Townie deaths. I've been pretty thoughtful about lynches and night kills. You have seemed pretty flippant about it to me. You must be blind. I've said it from the beginning. I've said it every time I post about the vig in the day threads. When I breath, the words "vig (or possibly SK)" follow every exhale out of habit. I was more than responsive, I brought the entire situation to you, in case he was the SK and killed me. Then, we all decided to block him! How is that not responsive? We blocked him. Because we thought he might be the SK. You're...not making sense anymore...you're not even representing reality anymore. You. So, did I block the vig out of our PM or did I not respond to your idea that he might be the SK? Which is it? Oh, that's so rough. I hope you can afford the medical bills for your PTSD. Fruitcake. I thought the same thing, because I am Scum hunting, not Scum. The reason to track Jafri would be to clear him or discover he is Scum. Are you suggesting I would track someone without an action, say they targeted someone and expect to survive the rest of the game? How do you think I would accomplish this? After running through my own team so hastily of course. He came to me when you suggested we lynch the vig, only moments before I was planning to contact him to find out what he thought of your weird insistence that the vig be lynched before Petr. I wish Cranebeinn were here right now. I really do.

FWIW: Petr: Hey, can I ask a favor? If I can proxy, will you vote for me? I'm so busy and I hardly have a connection and I trust your judgement. Me: Wait, what? Want to tell me who you were thinking of voting for? I'm going to unvote Cranebeinn. Petr: Whoever you vote for. I trust you. Me: Thanks, have fun in ... Idaho or wherever the hell you're going. Petr: I'm back! This Jarl thing is crazy! I've never heard of such a thing. I PMed him to ask if it was a gambit to lure Scum but he hasn't responded. Shucks. Me: He tried some WIFOM and then didn't announce who had contacted him, so I doubt it. But maybe he PMed the contacts to someone? Petr: I can't wait to see how this concludes! Petr: Wow, exciting! Do you think Mist is confused or confusing? I agree with you that she is the best bet for a lynch though. Me: I'm not convinced but we have to test the blocker result. Mist did pull an OMGUS and that's Scummy. Petr: If not Mist, then who? I don't like Munud or Ragnvald, blah blah blah reasons. I would lynch Munud if we don't lynch Mist. Me: Petr: Hey can you doctor a PM's timestamp? Lodmund sent me his PMs, but they're all right on top of eachother Me: Godzilla says "Can you doctor a PM's timestamp" on October 26th, 2041 Petr: Is that hard to do? All of the answers between Jarl and Lodmund are 2–3 minutes apart. How fast were the responses on your writeboard? Me: Jarl was online for a while toward the end of the day. It took a long time to get any responses on my writeboard but when I did they seemed to all be there at once. Petr: Blah blah, Dar–Lodmund link, I like your comments. I think we're making a good lynch. Me: What are your thoughts on everyone who is left? Petr: Dar and Petrus are my top two suspects. You are obviously Town. Agnar and Canute are playing like Petrus which makes me suspicious of them too. Toki, Tarr and Ragnvald have been quiet. One of them is probably Scum. I think Cranebeinn and Jafri are Town. Me: Why Jafri? Petr: Gut instincts. It's hard for us Townies who are out of the loop. When I am Town and don't have a PR, which is the case in this game*, I wait for someone to tell me what to do. Petr: Tell me my math is right about how many people have been cleared. I hate being out of the loop! When I'm forced to draw conclusions, things don't go well for me. Me: When did you get converted? Petr: Never! I am on vacation. I shouldn't have played. This is terrible! Me: Tracker says you targeted Toki, so what's up? _____________ *bold added for emphasis That's who your championing, Canute. Me:

They lost one more member since then, though. Weren't you the one who suggested that Petr was the traitor and therefore didn't have a kill? Someone in the town block said that. What makes you think Mist was the killer??? They could've tried to convert the night Mist was blocked as well. We have no conclusive evidence that Mist actually was the killer. Unless you know somehow? Canute? Why would the vig be on my side if I were Scum? Why wouldn't Cranebeinn block me if you were both worried? So every Townie death has been my fault? You all decided to kill Lauga. I wanted to keep her alive and track her. You all wanted to lynch Tarr. I was uncertain and thought we should go for Petr or Jafri. Wasn't this also discussed? Another thing I need to check. What you actually said about the plan to have Tarr take out Jafri of Petr if he was Town and we would take out the other at night. You went right along with my fear about Lauga's role so don't pretend that was my fault she was killed. Did I want to kill Ragnvald? Maybe you should check how that conversation went. I wanted to lynch Toki. Did I want to kill Danr? megabluck NO, I DID NOT! I told you in private, I'll say it here too. I'm not a spineless sniveling wimp of a player. I wouldn't try to blame an absent player to get an easy lynch, so you can honestly bite me on this one. Oh, have I really? You won't tell me what you're doing until the next day. Our vig kills the investigator then gets pissed off at me for being pissed off about that. Our town block is disjointed and stubborn. Nobody is at my beck and call. I've even tried to keep it a little looser and was really gently about keeping everyone separate, not trying to press into getting a big PM going until we hit a hitch. Oh yes, I've got you all wrapped around my little finger. That's sarcasm. But nobody is going to track me, so wouldn't I just kill at will? And are you suggesting that I was the Godfather and tracker when I was investigated? You have an opinion on something??? How would we ever know? Did you tell us of your idea that there has never been a traitor when we were discussing it endlessly? Where did you make this known? Well, welcome to the game. Did you just get here? Forgive me if I find your third act reversal a little suspicious. There is no evidence of a Serial Killer. Why would you want to lynch our vig...or even a Serial Killer...when we have the last Scum in our crosshairs. Petr targeted Toki, yet he told me he was vanilla. It is what happened. Right, because as I said yesterday, Petr's response in private was more concerning than Jafri's and as you fully agreed, Lauga's role was crazy Scummy sounding! She had to guess who had an Action and that person had to also be killed that night for her to do anything. I love...Kara and that guy in the cave...Joe...Viking...or whoever but that is just ducked. F-U-C-K-E-D. That is a ducked role. ducked, ducked, ducked. I really really wanted Tarr's target to be Lauga rather than Jafri. I still wish that's what would've happened. That role is ducked. Who's we? You're the only one talking nonsense so far. And again, if I were Scum, I would've been killing people. Because nobody would've caught me. And I would've known that. I would've won by now. Really. And Lauga's role is ducked. Because the vig killed the investigator. Yeah, I flipped the megabluck out! He killed the investigator. I tried so hard to make sure that nobody's actions interfered and I had a simple conversation about targets with him and we never mentioned Danr. Ever. Ever. We even mentioned staying home might be the best option, so I thought he'd stay the megabluck home before killing Danr. But for some reason, chop chop! Danr's dead. Our investigator is dead. Only Town PR we lost, to our vig. Because he didn't follow the simple idea to only target people we discussed so as not to kill anyone whose identity I didn't fell comfortable giving. Yes, the vig may still be the SK. It's possible, but three of us know who that person is and they wouldn't get away with it. Didn't you even say that? Or was it Cranebeinn? It is still possible, either way, that the vig is the SK but Petr is Scum. He lied. He targeted Toki. I CLAIM it because I DID it. I caught Petr targeting Toki. And I am totally unwilling to consider lynching the vig over Petr, who I have a solid result on. Why is it solid? Because I received it from the Gods. Directly from their mouths. I have the benefit of knowing it's absolutely true. I have no idea what is going on. I have no clue why we haven't seen a kill for three days. I have no idea why you smell like poo, Canute. But I know Petr told me he was vanilla and I saw him target Toki so I think that's a much better lynch candidate than a vig that might be a SK that used their own judegement and was completely oblivious to how I was keeping everyone separate...because those synapses just weren't firing...and killed our investigator. And I would make that choice every time.

Oh my God, my post is so long. I'm trying to figure this out and now I'm typing my thought process. Canute has seemed almost flippant when putting together Night Actions and now he is trying to put all of the blame on me for losing so many Townies. And suddenly he has something to contribute! Maybe he has contribute more by PM. I need to look over everything he has said now. OK, I'm keeping my vote on Petr, because I have a result on him. I doubt there are three Scum left, but there are maybe two. It's Petr and one other person. It would suck to do so well at the beginning and end up losing this. I am seriously wishing our vig had understood not to target anyone we hadn't discussed! :wall: I told the investigator to target Dar! I knew he was the more likely of Lodmund and Dar to be Scum. And I called Lambi out on the first day for saying Scummy things. Also, I brought out the blocker result on Mist although Cranebeinn was perfectly capable of doing so, I did kind of jump the gun. And yes, when I switched my vote from Toki to Jarl, I pretty much asked people to vote for him to avoid a no–lynch. Oh, I'm so Scummy!

After he PMed me that we shouldn't trust you. And where else have we seen that "brain"? I'm pretty insulted that you would think I wouldn't be able to better advise a Scum team. So, why else would the Scum not be killing??? You think I'm Scum and I wouldn't use the kill Action? That seems to be what you're suggesting. That losing four other members, I would choose not to kill a Townie every night. When's the last time it had any bearing on anything? I did. You think I would ask Brand if Tammo was the traitor if I was Scum looking for a traitor? I didn't want to kill anyone the night Danr was killed and I also suggested we not kill last night in case Lauga, who I thought was Scum, shapeshifted the bomb and would take out the vig? Are you listening to yourself? If you're Town, you're not thinking things through. You are not representing my actual Actions behind the scenes. I think Canute is more of a paranoid moron right now than Scum. Vote: Petr Half–Troll (PirateDave84) because he targeted Toki (Trumpetking) according to my Town tracker Night Action result. If you all opt to lynch me, I will be heart-broken as it will only be the second time I've been lynched as Town (the first time I was supposed to be acting Scummy ) and I really love Pudding–Head. But at least my Townie corpse will show that what I've said is true so be sure and take out Petr. Then probably Toki since Scum targeted him...I'm assuming anyway. And then look carefully at Canute. But I have trusted Canute almost more than anyone this whole game. My results say Petr. Petr told me he was vanilla. Therefore, he's lying. I hope you believe me. If not, may my lynched corpse tell the truth for me. You can't honestly think with seven people left, that one Scum left would mean the game would end tonight. How? Please, can anyone besides Canute stop in and take a look at this? I'm so freakin' tired. Canute, tell me, if I were Scum, why would the vig, blocker and protector still be alive. And we'd have more if I had been more trusting and hadn't tried too hard to keep everyone's identity protected. The vig, the blocker can back me up on this. I have not pushed to kill anyone. Even after learning Lauga's crazy role, which you agreed was a Scum claim, I wasn't the one who wanted her killed. I suggested tracking her and not letting the vig target her. And didn't I unvote Tarr? I thought we might be able to switch to Lauga. You were the one who insisted on blocking the vig the night we wanted to kill Toki. Now you want to lynch the vig rather than Petr who was caught targeting Toki. Is it you who can win with one more mislynch? Are you, Toki and Petr all Scum?? Would there be seven freaking Scum in a game of 23 people? I saw you target someone and that person did not die but I have no way of knowing what else may have happened to them and they don't seem to know of any other possibility than the explanation you gave. You were very quick to tell me when I told asked you what you did to him. Hmmmmmm...

I thought you were Scum when you were insisting that we lynch the vig over Petr today, but now you are either Scum or completely off your rocker. This is the most passionate I've seen you about anything all game. So, tell me, did I fake the whole anonymous writeboard? Outing a PR isn't too big of a risk at this point, I guess since there's only Scum and PRs remaining. If you guys really need to, you'll only be losing the tracker, so go ahead and lynch me. When I turn up Town, kill Petr first unless the vig can take him out tonight and then lynch Canute. This unprecedented turn of trust is confounding. I will, of course, vote for Petr since I know he targeted Toki last night since that is my Action and my result. And yes, I was investigated as Town by our investigator. If Canute does succeed in lynching me, don't let him lynch the vig too. We can't let this epic fail of a Scum team come back and win. The point was so someone would know in case I ended up dead. Not just to say I was suspicious.

I think we can safely assume Petr was trying to convert or recall or whatever Toki. Maybe the reason Toki seemed so Scummy is because he is the traitor. So maybe there was only one Scum left and now there are two. Not when the Scum are dwindling. I'd expect him to have an Action that has an effect. And you expect the same: Unless they need to forego their kill in order to recall and that's why we haven't seen a Scum kill. I mean, it's pretty crazy that we haven't seen a Scum kill for three days now.

According to the tracker Petr did something to you. Now Petr told me early on that he was vanilla and told me profusely how he trusted me. Unfortunately, he's in Iceland and has no access to...his mouth...so we can't ask him about it. But if he trusted me so much to proxy his vote why didn't he tell me he had an Action? And what did he do to you? Unless the tracker is lying, but the tracker is the reason we found most of the PRs. Somehow he targeted three in a row on the first three days. If he or any of the PRs are Scum, they'd have to be members of a second team If Petr is Scum, what the hell would he be doing to you that has no visible effect? I kind of can't wait for this...ordeal...to be over so we can learn what the Megablok is happening around here!

Someone who previously claimed vanilla was seen targeting someone. Now to find who is lying, this person or the tracker. The tracker hasn't given us reason not to trust him/her yet.

We are in the very unique situation of having every remaining player having been targeted by the tracker. Hell, I've PMed every remaining player about the Night's results, I may as well just put it out on the table, shouldn't I?

Why the hell are the Scum not killing?? What is happening?

Northern Quebec doesn't have electricity?