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The idea of a bus driver works in place of weaponizing a player. If they are trying to take any action directed at Toki... then aim it at someone else. So they think that Toki is being killed and the kill goes to somebody else and then they can say "Petrus killed the blocker!" Or whatever. Maybe that's why Dave targeted Toki. That would mean Dave and Toki were both Scum. For Canute to have used the action the same way, he and Dave and Toki would all have to be Scum and he'd have to be counting on Cranebeinn not telling him the truth about who was targeted. It's a great way to cause confusion. We would lynch the vig in that case. And then we'd be all freaked out as to how it had happened when the vig flipped Town. Is this idea stupid too? Then that would explain why they haven't been killing. Canute wants us to believe our vig is the SK so he's trying to aim her kill from Toki to someone else and then everyone will think she's the SK and all the Scum are dead already and lynch her and then they'll kill someone and we'd be like " Wuuuuuuuuuuut??" I should get some sleep... Canute even said the night Danr was killed, I told him three other targets and there was no Scum kill that night. What did that blabby Scum say to me on the writeboard. My misleading comments got their kill blocked... I wonder what I said to Canute that night. Were we going to kill Toki before we switched it to Lauga? Would they have guessed Lambi would've been the target of the vig on Night One? What if they get a kill only when the guess the vig's target. WTF am I talking about now? Dagstyr!! They knew we were going to kill him because they manipulated us into it. What if they have some role that they can mimic...our vig...if they guess his target? GOd, I'm really grasping at straws here. But it would make sense (even though it would be aggravating for the Scum and I don't think a host would do that... ) as to why we haven't seen kills and why Toki keeps getting targeted and why Petr said "Why didn't the vig kill Toki?" What happened in Ragnarok 2. Somebody had to guess who the vig was killing or who the Scum would kill? That's a thing, right? That happened. Aaargh, they didn't kill the night Dagstyrr died. But Munud would've been a great guess.

When I said keep it respectful, do you think I meant this? Please tone it down. For a conversation about how the line is supposed to be for more mature builders...wait for it...many of you are getting a bit immature. I've asked politely for this thread to calm down twice. Next step is account suspensions.

It makes more sense than me lying about tracking Petr and teaming up with the Serial Killer. Well, that never made sense to me because I knew I was telling the truth but it still pings me that you were adamant that you were right. These two quotes together ping me. I can't pinpoint why...

But they would have targeted the bomb only. I don't know. It sounded smart when it was vomiting out of my brain... Well, then why did you convert Toki when you knew who all the PRs were? Honestly, what I thought here, and don't facepalm me, Was that maybe Dave half converted Toki and then brought you in and you were like "WTF? I hate this Scum team. Why did you convert me? I have having fun as Town!" and then when Dave got caught, you were stuck with Toki... I'm running through possibilities, OK? When have you ever seen Scum not kill for five days in a row (six altogether)? I'm trying to be clever. Maybe I'm failing but I'm trying, OK?

Facepalm yourself, ya dick. I'm trying to brainstorm to figure this out. I'd hate to come up with fucktard theories that don't pan out to be true. Maybe it only works on the night he's targeted. It would keep the person doing the killing from being able to be tracked. TPRU likes to make new roles, Loki is the God of Mischief. Both times I was Scum there was a prankster role, one of which had no effect, just showed the Scum targeting. Maybe he made a booby-trap role in this one. That's a prankster thing. I like the idea. Def mentioned playing a game on another site like that but it was a shared action game and the action was booby trapped. The Scum got to booby trap one action each night. The Bobsy Twins are at me again. I said they could choose. Read what I'm rambling about. I didn't say it was a good theory. Wait, no. I did say it was a good theory. But it doesn't mean it has to be true. Calm down, people. I'm brainstorming trying to figure out why there's been no kill from the Scum and why everybody likes to target Toki, the dead weight player. It kind of explains everything and you can both blow your cynicism and derision out your Pie–holes! I'm just trying to help. Jerks. (not really jerks. I'm only kind of kidding. )

But I didn't tell him who the target was. Also, it would explain why we have a vengeful and a bomb. Hell, if I'm wrong I think I'll use the idea in one of my games at some point. So, Canute "weaponized" Toki as he was the most likely vig target. And that's what Petr was doing too.

So, does that mean you think Toki is a townie? And in this case, it couldn't have hurt of one person, the person you trust most, knew who you planned to protect. What if, for whatever reason, the Scums only weapon is to weapon use a player? They target TK and he becomes a bomb. It would explain why Dave wondered out loud why Toki wasn't dead. I think I'm onto something. It would explain why there's been no kill and why everyone is targeting Toki for no effect. Maybe the Scum can choose that over a regular night kill and have been using it hoping to take Petrus and Toki out. Then they could switch back to normal kill mode. That would explain why Canute knew all the PRs but could be Scum without us all being dead But Canute wanted to block Petrus on the night he was targeting TK.

Any opinion really. You never seemed to have one. That would certainly advise your theory on me. And his defense was really Scummy. And he was lying about not being around. Knowing you planned to protect Toki would've quieted my suspicions when I found out you did. And again, what makes you think he wasn't targeted for a kill last night?

Ah, shit. I can't stop. Another thing, you said today "Oh, garsh. I sure was wrong about Petr." Were you??? Because I don't remember you ever forming an opinion on Petr despite me asking repeatedly. And if you were leaning for me as Town, where does the "Oh garsh! Shuckeroo!" come from? Did you ever even talk to Petr? As far as I can tell you thought nothing about him and you wouldn't even tell me what you thought of his defense. You were all dodgy about it. "Why would I humor that? Of course he's Scum if you're telling the truth but you're not. Blah blah blah, (Pienapsyes misfiring.)" Also, why wouldn't you tell Cranebeinn who you were going to protect before the Night phase? He's the only person in any of your theories that remained Town. He should be the person you trust most, why didn't you tell him? Why did you dodge that question too? I didn't laugh at anything. And I haven't been advocating for vig kills every night. I think if the Scum are holding off on their kill, it's your idea and you wanted to get me lynched so you applied the actual tactic to me, hypothetically. When I discussed things with the Petrus and Cranebeinn last night, I advised not to kill then too. Furthermore, someone was blocked last night so the Scum team might've been back to killing. Also Toki was protected. Maybe Agnar tried to kill him? How do you know that Petrus didn't try to kill Toki?

There might be some general rumor and discussion topic somewhere I can merge this with. Until then, I'm moving it to General LEGO Discussion or whatever that forum is called.

Oh, wow. I totally misunderstood what you said here at first. But now, I see it. You protected Toki from Town me? Even believing I was telling the truth at that point? Even with your vote on me at the end of the day? Wow, just .... wow. Amazing. You saved him from me and the "...SK..." (who is apparently at my beck and call) so we could lynch him today when what you suspected to be true ... came to be true. So... ... what would that have accomplished...if I ...well, wait, if you thought...but then...and... What?? Guys, is this going to be one of those times where I find someone ludicrously Scummy and everyone else is like "Meh..."? And there's way too much WIFOM involved in if you were going to protect Cranebeinn or Toki and for megabluck's sake, if we were really what ever crazy concoction you thought we were, we probably would've targeted you. I don't believe you would risk losing the blocker like that. I don't believe it at all. I can't figure out what you guys are doing but I think you and Toki are both Scum. Sorry, I promise not to repeat myself endlessly again today. I just read that closely enough to really see it. I don't even know what I thought it said before but, carry on. Whatever. SOrry, one more thing. I trusted you at the beginning of the game because we had such logical talks and you were good to bounce things off of. But everything you've said for the last two days is...well...completely bonkers. I realize that if you're Town I'm being somewhat insulting so I'm sorry if that's the case. But if you are Town, I'd like to propose that we coin the term "Pienapses". They're like synapses, but they're in your brain so they're bonkers.

It feels like we're veering a little off topic here. We have a Dimensions discussion somewhere else (give me a minute, I'll look for it). Please stick to discussion of the DC sets. Thank you.

Let's do our best to stick to the topic of the sets please. We have a Culture and Media forum to discuss the movies. Thank you.

It was very nice of you to protect him last night to lynch him today.

If this continues, I'm going to separate the discussion into a thread entitled "Gender Equality and Modular Building" But I will weigh in on this as I have an opinion. From my experience with the LEGO group, they seem to have a lot of turnover and their focus on adult fans as a target market is always shifting and for the most part, losing. While the idea was originally for advanced building, their marketing, research and development areas aren't always going to agree with that. So, just because they say something once doesn't set it in stone, especially for a company trying to respond to an ever–changing markets. Plus, I'm a gay guy who watches and plays sports so I also don't mind secret cookie–baking in my police station. Keep it respectful, please. Thank you, everyone.

Hey everyone, I'm getting a lot of reports about the tone and "repetition" in this thread. Please keep the conversation focused on the topic. Remember, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but others naturally have a right to respond with their own opinion as well. If it gets out of hand, we may have to get all moderatey and that's never fun. Be adult. Carry on. Thank you.

OK. We'll see...

Cranebeinn told you the "SK" would be blocked. And what would killing Toki gain for Scum–me? When I first mentioned Toki to you as a protection target you didn't even remember that he had to be Town according to your theory.

I tried to speak logically to you yesterday and you repeatedly laughed at me when I was telling the truth. There was a fierce desperation to get me lynched and get Petr to the night phase. I don't care who believes you, if you think something in Mafia, stick with it until you have proof otherwise. What kind of reason is "nobody agreed with me"? Protecting Toki makes no sense to me, no matter what the case is. You say you switched your viewpoint to believing I was Town but still protected Toki because you thought I was Scum. I don't care what side you're on, protect the guy who has proven he has a Night Action. Because now, all I know, is that Petr targeted Toki. And then you targeted Toki. And neither one of you targeting Toki makes sense to me. As for the number of night without a kill, I think two of the nights were to convert you and two of them were to convert Toki. I saw Toki targeted twice by people I find suspicious. I'm not saying this is correct, but it's a theory I think we should all consider. I understand you're not going to go along with it. I don't expect you to.

Overly cautious? That's the last thing I would call you. You posted again and again and again yesterday how Scummy I was, backing a vanilla who wasn't participating, at least not in public, over a power role who had proven he got real results. So you wanted to lynch me over Petr (after wanting to lynch our vig, let's not forget) whose "defense" was almost Scummier than the things Toki said earlier in the game. And then, believing I had been telling the truth, you protected the person Petr targeted that we had no idea what he was doing? Not to mention, if Petrus and I were going on a killing spree, why would we target Toki? Why wouldn't we try to take out a PR and leave the Scummy Toki behind to be an easy lynch target. As I mentioned, it's precedented. It's what we did in the first Ragnarok. Remember you're theory that I was Scum because I was Scum in the last two Ragnarok games? This theory of mine is also based on a previous Ragnarok game except it actually makes sense. It's more likely that the host would re–use a unique role than that I would be Scum because I was twice before. Maybe later but I was pretty sure you were screaming I was Scum until the end and you never did unvote me. Just read your argument from yesterday and apply it to yourself now. I have no idea what you and your Scum team are up to.

You protected Toki??? Why the hell would you do that? Now, I'm completely lost on you. You...Dear Odin...you spent all of yesterday frothing at the mouth to get me lynched and then you told Cranebeinn if he wanted to know who you targeted to have me track you, which I did. But why were you calling me the tracker into the night phase? And most importantly, if you were calling me the tracker, would you protect Toki who that would mean was targeted by Petr. But more importantly (somehow, more than most, whatever) Cranebeinn has an Action and TK has claimed vanilla. Why would you protect Toki over Cranebeinn. That makes no sense. If Petrus and I were on a killing spree why would you risk losing our blocker??? Scum. You targeted Toki just like Dave did. No idea what you guys are doing but I think we should lynch TK and night–kill Scummy–megablocks Canute. I've been holding that in. * If you were telling Cranebeinn that I should track you, that means you believed I was the tracker and therefore Petr was targeting Toki. So, if you're calling me the tracker (despite keeping your vote on me) how does Toki make more sense to protect than the blocker?? I meant to clarify and I'm not sure I'm any clearer but bottom line: Canute is Scum. I think... Here's my theory. The Scum were in trouble. TPRU gave them the same save he gave us in the first Ragnarok. Petr was able to choose to keep the kill or have a conversion action. It converts to neutral, then to Scum so a conversion takes two days. You were converted and then Toki was half converted and that's what I saw Petr doing. You were desperate to get Petr to the night phase so he could finish the conversion and there would be three of you and then you could win by killing the vig. I'm not as confident as I type that out as it sounds kind of crazy. I don't know that TPRU would use that role twice although it was a cool role to start with and we never really got to use it. But it would explain why they wouldn't want to use it in the first couple of days. If they thought there was a traitor, they didn't want to convert them to neutral. Unless, there's some crazy option I'm not considering. Or maybe it's just Toki. But Canute, you smell really Smelly. Scummy, you smell Scummy.

They can usually pick between the two and they choose to kill so I'm baffled. We saw Petr target Toki and the most logical explanation was that he was converted, so we have to lynch Toki. Then maybe it will be over.

Well, I can't imagine they were given four conversions. I have to assume they are able to kill again and I would hope there's only one left.

Do you think they could convert someone with a passive Night Action?

I agree that Toki should be lynched. In the first Ragnarok, we had an action that could convert a player to neutral to improve our numbers. When we hit trouble, TPRU let us target the same person twice to recruit them. Maybe that's why it "took so long". I would say this Scum team hit similar trouble of losing a great number in the first few days. Unfortunately for us, if that is the case (which I doubt it would be exact) we were allowed to use that action on anyone and converted someone with a Night Action. Perhaps Toki was chosen because he escaped the lynch and night kill as Petr pointed out, one of his only contributions: "Why isn't Toki dead???"