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If it's the one with the yellow canopy, I'm also taking credit.

Very nice, I get a strong Cobra Terror Drome & Firebat vibe from that launch hangar.

I wish! I was sensing some serious Star Wars fatigue during the sequel trilogy. The movies have been so bad, I was hoping we'd be free from the clutches of Lego Star Wars for at least a little while. But then The Mandalorian had to go and be an actually decent show. And now Asohka threatens to be interesting, and I have seen nothing but praise for the recently revealed SW sets.

I have found SNOT to be a mistake in some of my MOCs, if I'm trying to do anything complicated. Once you go SNOT, it's hard to line things back up with non-SNOT areas of the build. Or if you do a large SNOT wing without any sort of technic beam to support it, it's just going to break off easily. SNOT is only easy on the edges of a build.

Interesting, $22 per lb. Price per weight would be an interesting thing to compare across sets. Where did you get the weight from? I don't see a weight for the Titanic on Brickset.

I once tried to pick this set up by a single wing edge and it did not go well. 😱 I just tried using two hands under the wings on each side, and it felt light and swooshy enough for me, given the size. But I'm not sure I have many larger, recent space ships to compare too. Also, people already complain about how sleek & jet-fighter-like this set is, so maybe it shouldn't be too swooshy. The smaller two builds are super swooshy at least, IMO. I'll grant you that. I even had the same thought, subconsciously. I think something like the gun here, but shorter and all gray, would look nicer:

@Aanchir, I agree with all of what you said. Here's an example: That's a set with a little less than 200 pieces for $40. But...it has the fairly large floating boat piece. And 4 special animals, that I think might all be new, and two are dual molded. And it looks really cool, IMO. So is all that worth the extra $20 you're paying past the $.10 PPP value of $20? For me it probably is, especially if all those tiles are printed. If I didn't at least start with PPP, I would have no idea how to determine if the $40 price is fair.

Lego doesn't want to take it away, MAB does. :D Just kidding, but MAB and I are arguing about its usefulness. That statement in and of itself is in bad faith isn't it? Nobody said someone was arguing in bad faith just because they had a different opinion.

Oh my god, the Hoopty. That's the exact reason we need PPP. That thing is outrageously priced, and without PPP, there is no way to prove it, or even talk about it really. Yep.

No, you look at PPP, and accept a higher or lower PPP depending on what's inside. If it's all DOTS tiles you expect a lower PPP. The actual PPP is still an objective metric. What PPP you are willing to accept may not be. Honestly, would you be happy if Lego could just raise prices arbitrarily without Lego fans knowing they're being gouged? How do we do that without PPP? I do agree that PPP is not helpful when it comes to CMFs or minifigures. For minifigures, when trying to decide if a set price is fair, I generally slap a value of $3-$5 on them, depending on how "deluxe" they are based on accessories and prints. Like if a set has 1200 pieces, but only 4 minifigs, I'm subtracting like $15 or so from the price I expect. Mainly because I expect sets to have a fair number of minifigs to justify a $.10 PPP. I think I'm remembering $100 castles with 8+ minifigs and expecting that for other sets. Which might not be fair. I dunno, my minifig math here is much more subjective than PPP. 😁

Nobody does, and it's ridiculous to suggest. But people very often don't buy a set they would otherwise buy because the price per part is too high. For example, the 60354 is a set I quite like, but at $40 for less than 298 parts and no instructions, it's not a great value. I ended up buying it when it was on sale for half off though. I've also bought other sets I only wanted a little bit because they had great PPP ratios, like 75312, which was only $40 at Target. Price per weight is almost assuredly a better metric for what you get than price per part, but they don't exactly put that on the box, or make that info available. I've never seen someone with a scale in a store weighing Lego sets, and you can't weigh sets online. So I would argue it's not data we have, just data we could have. EDIT: Brickset has weights for some sets, but not others. Everyone who uses PPP knows to factor in minifigs and part size. Parts size per set generally averages out. There are outliers. But for most sets it's fine. Lego sets aren't bags of one kind of fruit so not a great example.

I think "how much do I like/want something" is a good question, but "what is a fair price for a new Lego set" is a different question. I think you probably agree. What you might be missing is that anyone talking about price per piece is talking about the second question. Price per piece doesn't answer the first question at all. But it does help to answer the second question. It's generally the only hard piece of data we have to answer the second question. I think "value" is a confusing word here. A "value" can be purely quantitative (a number value) or purely qualitative (intrinsic value). Price per piece is an objective measure of a number value.

That's not a metric. That's like saying "a better metric than Inches is how long I think something is." Maybe you're just not getting your idea across very well? What do you actually mean here? I'm guessing you mean that your metric is purely subjective, it's "how much do I like/want the set?" This reads as strangely nihilistic to me. Price per part doesn't change based on who you are. That's what makes it a metric. I think you're confusing "how much do I like something?" and "what is this particular objective measurement?".

Your MOC is one of the first things I thought of too! Of course it's much better than the Hoopty.

Anyone arguing that fans need to understand the ins and outs of Lego manufacturing is crazy. They see everything through a corporate lens, and think it's the consumer's job to research those things, instead of a business's job to keep prices down and make products that actually seem like a good deal. Too many people see themselves as Lego corporate ambassadors, earning magical brownie points for defending Lego, and someday they will sit at the right hand of Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen, and then we'll all be sorry. They despise Lego fans that actually want to build things and talk about Lego.

Wow, that is the single worst prices I've ever seen for Lego set. And I'm sure most of the inner consoles are krageled on. It could be a ploy, where the "leaked" price is stupidly high, and then all the fanboys convince themselves they're getting a deal when the (still high) true price is revealed.

I wish there were more mid-priced sets in the Arctic/Ocean sub theme. There's one $11 set, then it jumps to $40, then to $75 and $110 and $160. I like the colors and the designs but the price for value isn't great unless you really want the molded animals or the huge boat pieces. Regardless I feel like we're missing a couple $20 sets, like a snowmobile and small sub. I'll probably get the $40 boat if it has no stickers. I love the sub, but I feel like it's $25 extra for the sharks, and then probably $20 worth of bricks in the shipwreck build that I just don't care about. If it was everything else for $65, it would be a slam dunk.

Nice! Reminds me of a certain James Bond scene. Also makes me think of this Space set.

You two are spending a lot of time defending a website. 🤣 What you see on the website might depend on the location of the discovery center. In some US states, for instance, it might even be illegal age discrimination to not let in adults. The one closest to me doesn't say anything on their front page about needing to be accompanied by a child.

I'm feeling a little vindicated by something I just discovered. I once argued that Lego has too many colors and too many similar colors. I specifically pointed out Neon Yellow vs Bright Light Yellow. I actually thought they were the same colors until I had two pieces next to each other in good lighting. Well, it turns out even Lego considers them interchangeable. All the police sets used to use Bright Light Yellow, and then they switched to Neon Yellow, and I don't even think anyone noticed! 2020 2023

Yep, check it out: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60322-1 Nice! You must mean this one: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60312-1 It looks cool. Are you nominating it for the Cool Sets with No Stickers list?

I'm tired of smirks too. On Lego faces and on every cartoon character in basically every movie or show.

Updated the Sets with No Stickers list with a bunch of really nice small sets. See my sig for the link.

Well that's certainly an improvement! Nice! This reminds me of when I was a kid and my well-used parts were so grubby, if I had a MOC I particularly liked, I'd bust out an old toothbrush and clean the whole thing with soap and water. Then the parts would look so new! No more scratches filled in with dirt. No idea if the toothbrush was putting micro-scratches all over the parts...but I felt so proud of my newly cleaned MOCs.

Would you like to become a Lego Ambassador™️? It's easy! Show up in every thread where there is any sort of complaint Blame the fan If the fan wants anything, the fan is wrong Say "It's Not Lego's Fault!" Have a little bit too much insider info Post from a corporate perspective, not a fan perspective You guys aren't missing out, don't worry. I seriously doubt the Lego Discovery Centers are going to have much to interest AFOLs.