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I don't quite understand, what's that with the three blockers? Anyway, if Minoru claimed blocker, he's likely to be a Mutineer. That should be enough for a lynch.

Another mistake, sorry. I should actually check things up before talking. Norio-sama didn't get the vig to kill Tadao, according to his statement, but simply announced that he thought the vig would kill Tadao. Similar result, though, but I know Norio-sama dislikes being paraphrased wrongly.

Yeah, it was really surprising...except for the fact that Norio-sama had announced publicly that he'd get the vigilante to kill Tadao. And it made sence. I would have prefered Tamiko as well, but Tadao also was a good target. It's good to lose the Yakuza's blocker in order to get the Mutineers' one, as a)the Yakuza heavily outnumbers the Mutineers, so if we lose one and they lose one, the ratio changes in our favor b)the Mutineers' blocker is much more effective than our blocker, as the worst he can do is block a vanilla. The worst our blocker can do is block an important role Yakuza.

Well, you might have overreacted, thinking that Ichirou is Yakuza makes you a prime suspect. But this theory is based on awfully many "if"s and "might"s, heavily decreasing it's likelyness. But I wanted to point that out. And obviously you hadn't realized yet that it might have been Tadao as well. Sorry, my notes were wrong. It's actually 11 people.

If you are scum, which is a possibility I will not exclude at the moment, although the only reason I bring this up is Ichirou's accusation of you, which I, as you might remember, didn't really consider holding any weight at all, you might lie about that because you think it proves you are Yakuza, as you were blocked by the Mutineers' blocker. Long sentence short, you could use it as proof of your loyalty, which it is not.

Damned, so we've lost our Familiy's Blocker and the Tracker! I can't believe Ichirou was actually Yakuza, after everything he did and how erratically he acted and accused yesterday. To the brighter side, we now know that Tadao was not a Mutineer. Which means the other blocker must be one. I don't assume we have much choice today. Once Norio-sama tells us the name of his blocker, I guess I'll vote for him. But we should also have a look into the people Ichirou accused, which are Tadao, Chieko and Momoe. He obviously was wrong about Tadao, but what about Chieko and Momoe? Chieko claims she had been blocked last night, which doesn't quite mean it was the scum blocker. Tadao might have blocked her before he was killed, assuming kills come last as ususal he had enough time to do so. Also, she could be lying about being blocked, as excuse. If it can be verified that she was blocked by the scum blocker, she would have to be loyal, though. Momoe hasn't yet struck me as particularly scummy, except for not being that vocal in the day threads. But unfortunately yesterday there were 15 people who spoke as much or less than her (), so that doesn't mean much. Anyway, I guess we've got our lynch for today.

Yes, I'll also keep my vote where it is. Even if you are true about that, doesn't mean Tadao is a Mutineer. He might as well be a naive blocker being played by you. If you turn out to be Yakuza, though, I'll have a further look at him, so thank you for sharing this info. If so, I still think we can go on with the plan I suggested earlier, killing both claimed blockers tomorrow.

So you're the vigilante jester right now? Oh, wait, why do I even bother asking? I don't know. If she's trying to get herself lynched, she's doing a horrible job. Claiming Jester is never going to get anyone lynched as long as there's a vigilante. And I doubt there would be none with this amount of people in this temple.

I still think the vigilante should kill her. Boils down to the same, without the risk of handing her victory if she really is the Jester. But I said that a few times now, and nothing she said changed my opinion. The vigilante is a role that's dangerous to the Yakuza, as he might kill a loyal member without giving them a chance to defend themselves. What better course of action is there than killig someone who has done no effort at all defending herself?

And, by tracking, you not only learned who Wiley targeted, but also what he was doing to you? (Although you were having sex, so I guess you should have figured it out yourself...) I'm not sure what to make out of that action either, but I remember reading an European Fantasy book called Medieval Castle II, in which a Wizard slept with someone in order to protect him. In other cases, it might be blocking, but we obviously already got enough blockers which don't sleep with people. And if you say your action was successful, it can't have been blocker, as you said. If you are true, that is. Her, I meant

へえええええ？ I still don't quite get it, but I figure it's not important anyway. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt right now, as I consider both Ichirou and Tamiko (and propably Lizzy as well) greater suspects than you, and I'm willing to listen to everything you're going to say. And so far I wouldn't say there's enough against you to warrant going against you, especially not since you seem to be rather active behind the scenes. If you say so. I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

Huh? Train of thought? All I was saying is that a Yakuza who get's voted out shouldn't shout or insult, especially not if the accusation is valid. Thanks, that's what I wanted clarified. Interesting. I'm curious, but I can understand why you wouldn't reveal more, if you are Yakuza. Though I'd say that at least one of this investigation methods should be unreliable, judging by my experience of these situations. Of course, I'd prefer to get this investigation result verified by another source before I'm going to believe it, if you don't mind. I'm still suspicious of you, mainly because of the points our Kumicho made, and I guess you'll understand why I can't believe you that in good faith. I'm not much of a betting person. In fact, most of us got rich because of other people betting. Not sure what you mean, but I never said you couldn't be both scum. Actually, that's what I believe most. Not for being irritating, but for a roleclaim that reeks of scummyness. Couple that with the fact she hasn't done anything to be useful, and according to her own claim (which I don't believe) she's neither town nor got a useful role, we get a perfect vigilante target. If her behavior was one thing not, it was the one of a true Yakuza.

I absolutely agree with that. While I myself am not much of a roleplay, as I'll admit, I have at least tried to keep a minimum of roleplaying. I really like the setting, and I must say, the amount of roleplay MetroiD has shown in today's thread was no way annoying or seeemed to hinder him playing the game. Of course people don't have to be like that, but using character names etc. should be standard.

Not at all. I think everyone of us should try to keep calm even in the face of death. Panicing and insulting won't get us anywhere. And while I might under stand it if the accusation was nothing but trash, you seem to agree our suspicions of Ichirou aren't "piles in inanity". And if reasonable accusations are thrown at someone, they certainly shouldn't react like that if you are Yakuza. If Tamiko is town, this was the worst town performance I've ever seen and I doubt I'll ever seen worse. Thank you very much. I'm afraid, at this point there is nothing that might save you. Even if I'd suddenly get second thoughts about you, which I doubt, the only way to make sure you're being true at this point is lynching you, Kawagashira. That's interesting. So this person who's claimed role blocker to you, have they claimingly blocked Nobuo or you tonight? Right now it sounds to me like we got two potential blockers and two claimed targets, with each blocker having claimed another target. Interesting situation. Okay, I've got an idea, which could be hazardous, and some of you might dispute against it: The town blocker is not too useful for us, as most of the action roles are Yakuza. On the other side, the scum blocker is rather useful, once they have figured out who's having important roles. So why don't Ichirou and Norio both come forward with their blockers, and we lynch/vig kill them both tomorrow/on night three? Of course, this only works if both Ichirou and Norio are town (which is highly unlikely. Even if one of them is Yakuza, the other should be a Mutineer given the validity of both their accusations). If one of them is not Yakuza, of course, we still have got ourselves a Mutineer. My suggested course of action? We continue lynching Ichirou. But before he dies, he reveals the name of his blocker. I)If Ichirou was scum, the scum won't gain anything from that. But he propably won't even play along if he is. II)If he is town, the plan goes on: Tonight our investigator will investigate Norio (a plan that I highly recommend regardless of anything else anyway). Tomorrow we'll know which side he was on. IIa)Norio was scum. Yay, we've got another Mutineer. We can lynch him and thereby get rid of an important scum member. IIb)Norio was Yakuza. Yay, we've confirmed a useful member of the Yakuza. And he can name his blocker, so we can lynch the more suspicous blocker and kill the other one. We've lost a rather useless role in order to take down a rather useful scum role. What do you think? I really hope the vig goes after you so I won't have to hear this nonsence anymore.

So after seeing that voting for Chieko won't save your skin, you decide voting for Momoe instead? I admire how tenacious you are, but your accusation holds no weight at all.

Yes, that's a very good point you bring up, Momoe. Ichirou, you're contradicting yourself, how do you expect anyone to believe you?

I don't know. We are the Yakuza, we don't use chainsaws, do we? What about "Nodachi Defense"? We don't use Nodachis either, but it sounds rather cool as well and has a more Japanese sound.

Minor correction, but that's not a chainsaw defense, that's OMGUS. Boils down to the same thing, but a chainsaw defense was if someone else voted for someone in order to protect Ichirou.

So, the reason why you assume Chieko is scum is because she wasn't very vocal? Is that right or am I mistunderstanding you? Because that's the only reason I can see there. Point is, she has been speaking up nearly as often as you. According to my records, you spoke 20 times, and she spoke 18 times. That's 5.5% of what has been said yesterday (including messages by Grandfather Lloyd/that Kami that keeps talking to us). Of course the content of her comments didn't add much to our conservation, but I wouldn't call her "not vocal". Of course, point in her disfavor is that she said she didn't believe Yasu was scum at the beginning, just like me, but without giving so much reasoning as me. And, Ichirou, you're getting pretty upset now that you are voted for, using lot's of bold and caps quite a volume of speech. Reminds me of some cultist I read about...

I've been thinking about today, and I really don't like how Ichirou tried to explain his mistake yesterday with "stupidity". The matter is, stupidity sounds like a reasonable excuse at first thought - after all, to err is human. But plain stupidity is no excuse on it's own. Stupid is how one acted, not why one acted. Even if you acted stupidly, you still have to have a reason why you acted stupidly. At least you should think before you talk, and that thinking, however stupid it is, is more of an excuse than "stupidity". Misinterpretations or wrong assumptions and assessments or something like that are an explanation, since people should be responsible for their actions, as they should think first and then talk. Of course I realize that this is the internet some of you are deeply shocked by the situation we are in, but we should not forget we should all be grown-ups, since Eurobricks theoretically is an adult board and even the younger ones among us should possess enough mental maturity to be hold responsible for their statements. Long story short, it simply bothers me how people (or lizards, in a very special case) try to absolve themselves from responsibilities by simply stating how inexperienced they are or how stupid they have been, or by impulsiveness, instead of stating what they have been thinking when they did what they did. On a second note, how did they realize they were stupid/impulsive/inexperienced? If they knew thay were when they acted stupidly/impulsively, they wouldn't have done so. So what, have they suddenly got an epiphany last night? I sincerely doubt it. I think it's just easy to tell something like that when you have to account for your actions, so I think that's a scumtell. That's why I'm suspicious of Lizzy, as I hinted before. This: Is just what I'm talking about. No explanation, no real excuse. Having "no ulterior motives" is a byword for not wanting to do anything. You have to have a motive when talking. There are many motives one might have when talking, like to share suspicion, talk about suspicion, share info, discuss info, vote, address a suspicion, accuse someone, discuss about anything, whatever you want to talk about, but always in the spirit of bringing the Yakuza forward to our ultimate goal of eradicating these Mutineers. Talking without further motives is talking for the sake of talking, which is certainly not pro-town, and usually scummy. That's why I'm now very suspicious of Lizzy. But Ichirou still seems to be the better candidate, and the "stupidity as excuse" defense I've been talking about above also fits for him, so I'll keep my vote. But I'll definitely keep an eye on Lizzy.

So I'm absent for a short time, doing some business and all hell breaks loose. Apparently my dear son has married a nutjob. Or a traitor. Or both. Whatever, I hope there is a vigilante a Yakuza who is trying to kill the Mutineers at night who can take care of Tamiko. Living the rest of the day together with her antics is going to be exhausting, living another full day with her will be unbearable. That's strange. How is our Wakagashira going to verify both you and this town blocker he claims to know if he isn't even in contact with an investigator? That seems highly scummy to me. I still wasn't sure about him, but I don't like his attitude, probing people for night actions while he is certainly not proven Yakuza. Therefore I'll follow the crowd and vote: Ichirou (Tamamono)

It's LEGO, you can build practically everything with those bricks. Actually, I'd enjoy seeing some ponies build out of Lego. Pinkie might pose a challenge, though. Where to get that many pink bricks? And the many curvatures... It's a shame, I'd really love an MLP mafia game.

How would that not-quite-Mason, assuming it exists, get specific information? They would not be any smarter than us "normal" Yakuza, except for the fact that they know each other. This doesn't mean that they know who's been awake in the night or who is claiming correctly and who's not. While such an organization would give us a large advantage over the Mutineers, they would not be omniscient, Kumicho. So we can't be sure there is one. That said, let's not get speculating too much. With the large number of us and the large number of things one might commit at night, we could speculate for days without getting any results. If we had any reason to believe there might be such a group, we could talk further, but right now let's rather focus on matters at hand, such as the actions of the people assembled in this temple, instead of speculating about the setup of this situation.

That's interesting. I won't bother to ask you how you'd know, since you seem rather sure. But does that mean that Norio-sama was blocked by the town blocker? Or is there some third faction? Norio-sama didn't strike me as anti-town so far. But neither has Nobou-sama, our Kumicho. It's true he has been one of the earliest and most eager accusers of Yasu, so I guess unless there was some bussing going on, he should be a loyal member of the Yakuza.

I think you have a very good point with this quote. It somehow reminds me of a certain person who was similarly worried without much reason. In fact, the late Yasu was only afraid of being suspected, while Tamiko is even in fear of being lynched. There was absolutely no reason to assume that, considering the sad fact that there are lots of other people in this Family who have rarely spoken either. This sentence looks highly suspicious to me, and considering the few other times she's been talking without actually influencing the discussion she's now a major suspect to me. I get what you are saying, but I don't know what you suggest. You said you didn't ask those who of us who don't spend the night sleeping to come up with what they do, but you what exactly are you asking for? How do you want to execute this "re-establishing"? I don't understand what you expect the Yakuza to do?