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So... what video are you all talking about?

Well if they get late to the party, don't bring anything new to the table and provide way less power that the competition while using the same kind of weak motors.... what are we getting besides the cost to get into a new ecosystem?

The problem with this set for me extends to the whole Lego thing in general and Technic in particular. They try to cover different markets with a single line of products. My inner children thinks is amazing, as an adult I value the reduction hubs but feel pretty unimpressed by C+ performance. No better than PF, no better than RC buggy motor. Honestly I believe TLG does not know what to do with AFOLs, getting very confused about their identity as a toy maker, they wont commit to a truly AFOL series of parts or sets and in the end kind of equate AFOL= BIG while for example gimping on motor performance because the children. The funny thing is that many people like me got no room for more sets hence becoming very critical cause anything below outstanding wastes space, and more interested on new parts (I was very expectant of C+... now not so much). I reckon they need to create a "Technic Pro" line so they can move the AFOL thing away from their regular line of sets. And how is possible that they still din't start a GBC line btw.

Perhaps I am confused, but I remember that V2 receiver made quite the difference and didn't cut power off so much as Control+ seems to do. So do you think that Control+ behaves better than V2 receiver?

Hmm wasn't 9398 more... capable?

Is that a torsion bar? Did TLG use a torsion bar ever?

For the Liebherr I understand, but if there was one thing that didn't need a license was a wind turbine. There isn't even a real sense of the true scale. The Vestas could be any generic turbine, but you got to pay for the sticker I guess.

The Lego Name and Logos are a Trademark and have perpetual protection. The Lego bricks are simply put a mechanical interlocking system, and are not subject to copyright. Every new brick can be patented, but the patent expires in 20 years and everyone can freely use the design. Not different from a screw, to be able to patent a new Lego part has to have some distinct feature, innovative. Just can't patent whatever I want. So while many Technic parts are patented., most are open domain be it because the patent expired or because ineligibility for a patent. The very foundation of the Lego brick system and Lego Technic are open domain. So now I am free to make every single part used in 8860 for example. So parts wise, those called "chinese knockoffs" can stay in the clear selling "Lego Sets" as long as they don't use the Lego name, Logos or still protected by a patent parts. The instructions to make 8860 are subject to copyright and have a very long IP protection which varies from country to country. Can't reproduce without express permission. The mechanisms used in 8860 aren't patentable, just too basic and broad, so I can make the same exact functions with the same parts The design of 8860 itself if it was ever patented is now public domain so I can sell a 8860 with my just made to order parts that is a exact replica of the original So 8860 can be made and sold, just have to make new instructions even if those contain the same steps, because even id the steps were patentable (hardly so) that would have expired too. For Jeroen's case... The Jeroen Name and Logos I don't know if are registered -guess not- if no, protection is far weaker than if it really were. He could even lose them... The bricks used could be original Lego ones or third party. Whatever those are, he is not the rights holder of those, so it isn't up to him. The instructions are under copyright and DMCA mechanisms his only easy way to get the protection his work deserves. The mechanisms used are not patented/patentable The design, he is not the rights holder, it is Liebherr The "Lego" design I am pretty sure does not have a design patent (yeah it costs time and money) So If the instructions sold are his instructions he can try to fight with DMCA. But if a new set of instructions is made, there is nothing than can be done about it. Sure you could try and by ignorance most DCMA claims are accepted, but a counterclaim could be issued. In the end IP protection isn't free guys. Just because you made something doesn't mean you are entitled to IP protection, it requires time and money. There are all kind of suits and counter-suits, regular people can't afford. So or it is your business and you invest money on it because the returns justify it or learn to live with it. Even written works (instructions) should have copyright notices/licenses attached before releasing them int to the wild. Otherwise later can be hard to justify that those weren't released as free works into the public domain. So no matter how emotional people gets about it, without paying upfront, they are not entitled to as much protection as most folks seem to think they are.

It is easy calling someone a thief, but how it works is really way more complicated than that. First, there is no thief, as there is no robbing, because there is no property subtraction. We are talking of intellectual property infringement, and things get very messy from that point on. If they are using some verbatim copy of someone's instructions then yes...its is obvious, Maybe you can fill a DMCA complaint or similar... not always the case. But if they are making a new set of instructions even with the same exact steps...well it is not obvious then. Furthermore, when we are talking about reproductions of comercial models, there is a previous IP Infringement as the models aren't licensed. and the Lego designer can hardly make any claims about the design as he is not the rights holder. Then the implementation of the mechanisms isn't patented either so there isn't a way there else What law exactly are they breaking? Who are they "robbing"? It may not be as easy.as that, so the answer may very well, no, they can't be stopped, even no, the Lego designer has no lawful claims at all Unethical? Rightly so.. or not, up to the individual. Unlawful? Maybe... Maybe not. The fact is there is not a single answer of right and wrong here.

When you genuinely share, you give away completely. Otherwise you are not sharing, you pretend to share but, no, you want to keep control, to decide what can be done and what not. To rule over. So why are you sharing in the first place? The desire to control what others do with your ideas is usually motivated by greed, but when what is done does not affect your life in any real meaningful way except how you feel is ego. Just remember that those who care about what you do will know you made it and those who you care about will know you made it. Taking an emotional toll for people beyond those seems such a waste.

1) if you don't want to be copied don't share 2) If you share and are copied, be happy, is says only good things about your designs 3) If after you are being copied you expect attribution... grow up and mature please, you aren't making a better world. Everyone learns from everyone. and even if some design is a verbatim copy of someone's else, there is no copyright to utility designs. there can be patents... but is anyone paying for that? No? Then it is free stuff. In my opinion In the end it is just a matter of being helpful. If you use some specific design and know who made it AND there is a guide or something out there a link can be helpful for those who want to use it too. But if there are no pictures, no instructions... nothing helpful to link... then I see no need. And I am not sorry If some ego gets hurt by someone not giving attribution.

A third wave? With so many big sets lately, some quite big, plus the big cars "Too much offer" is becoming a thing to me. At first I had budget concerns... (un)fortunately I ran out of room before running out of money, and that forced me to be quite selective, but it is becoming very hard. many appealing sets...

I started with Lego 8860 at age 5 or 6 so, I guess an adult can happily start with any set and enjoy it.

Right now if you are not afraid of going big 42082 is a nice one, however in a few months 42100 will be released. You may consider start saving for that if you are budget constrained -as that set might be a game changer in some aspects- and getting some smaller set to try the waters in the meanwhile.

Guys have you discussed the future of third party power bricks like SBrick and Buwizz given what this brings to the table?

If I can give it to a 12 year old child so he can play with it and have fun and enjoy it and learn and have positive experiences it can be considered a toy. "expensive" is a relative term based on disposable income. For some it will expensive for others not so much. There are other factors too, some people buy toys for their children all year long and some concentrate them in select dates, some people prefer lots of smaller presents and some less and bigger. That can affect greatly to the definition of expensive. Furthermore when I got 8860 as a child given the time and economy in my country it was at least as "expensive" as this one. And it was a few hundred parts, we are talking 4000 and electronics here. So price is again relative. Children of the age that this set will be targeted to also manage electronics with their eyes shut, and get their first phone almost when they leave the pacifier so complexity in that regard don't dismiss either the fact that it can be a toy. Yes, it is big, complex and perhaps expensive but still a toy... or not. What do you want it to be? It might be a collector's item sealed for 100 years or It might be a dirt chip toy with all the parts laying on the ground getting chewed and lost. It might be a nice decoration on a shelf or the fuel for the imagination of the next Elon Musk.

That body work is amazing. The patterning is mesmerizing.

Yellow cylinders made sense back then... when all that we got was yellow machinery. Nowadays the gray used in LAs is a more sensible approach. Really surprised they kept the new cylinders in yellow. Also never understood by what logic the air tank wasn't yellow, not that I'd like it to be it. In the end there are so many different interests, preferences and expectations that the only truth is that we want more. But for god's sake, make it work properly. edit: I lost the quote and the the thing about cylinders doesn't make sense without it...oh well.

Those who are not into something are usually quite less forgiving on its flaws because they don't expect any. Everyone knows what a suspension is and how it feels even if they don't know how or what makes it work.. They experience it every day in cars, bikes whatever. People isn't stupid, show them a flawed Lego one and they will ask why it doesn't work. And if you tell them it is normal for Lego they will think Lego is crap. At least that has been my experience in the past. And man it was embarrassing. Edit: BTW why is LDD so outdated, many Technic parts are not there. I know they don't make money out of it. But it is a great tool that sure helps in planning and later getting more parts. It is a bit careless from them. Even if there are alternatives I think it is a must for them to have it and keep it up to date. Parts should be readily available not requiring a software update, just a data download. Edit: One more thing... The unspoken problem on Lego in recent years. With bigger sets every year It is taking a staggering amount of space. I can't fathom this over the next 20 years.

It is obvious that there are nicer sets, bigger sets, innovative sets; not all are bigger nicer and new but I think Technic is better in everything except one thing... the basics. Over the years there have been moments of true awe and innovation. The change to studless the obvious one, but pneumatics in 8455 come to mind. Linear Actuators as hated as those are by some made 8043 amazing. And the Chiron new gear box parts are as simple as brilliant. However there is some kind of stagnation. Let me go back to the venerable 8880. 4 wheel drive. It is not the fact that it was 4WD but the differentials how it evolved from 8860. Now we are still like in 1994. I miss some innovations on this departing from old 8880, like a torsen or something. 4 wheel steering/suspension. It's all in The hubs. There have been a lot of new hubs since 1994, but are any of those really better? Do those allow better geometry? More fidelity? How is behavior of those functions? V8 Engine. We are still on the same parts and with bigger models those engines look tiny. Brick built engines are nicer in my opinion but no new parts that give a middleground in size/complexity allowing valves for example. Gearbox. Ok in the last two years they got this covered. Keep improving!! Popup headlights, Just a secondary function, nice to have, not rare on many current sets, so no complains. Body work. This has improved beyond recognition. Seats. Man wtf!! 8860 seats were incredible, amazing. We never got seats like those again. So for me Technic is a 50%/50% We got a studless revolution, many new parts and technics, but the basics (steering/suspension/engine/differentials) haven't changed/improved in 25 years, and are too frequently poorly implemented. BTW why can't we have something like this?

Old Lego is still better for me today in some ways. While studless is way superior 8860 makes me enjoy the most in it's simplicity. Everything there is a function. I've been pondering for a while the concept of Lego as a "monopoly". Technic (and Lego for the most part) is just a set of specifications for interconnects. And for those patents where due long ago. So good times for third parties delivering high quality components and I hope that will put some pressure on TLG. While purists will find it outrageous, Technic is a tool for me, and I find myself more and more eyeing the 3D-print and third-party market. Specialized parts even metal ones, or low friction metal bearings become very attractive when you want to mix functions and performance. While I don't expect TLG to go that far I have a hard time understanding their slow reactions to things like Bluetooth controllers, or lighting in models. I wish they were willing to take more risks, For example GBC is a big thing in Lego and they have nothing to show for it.

New sets look good, there is attention to detail here and there, and there are somewhat bigger ones than usual available. All of that is good and nice to have, and so weaker B-Models are an acceptable collateral . But at the same time at the very least sets over 200€ can't be weak technically, flawed functions on such a price are a show stopper..

Honest question, brick built sculptures are kind of easy but how do they dust that thing? Technic gives a transformers vibe to it.

Wow, the patterns of repeating structures are mesmerizing. Edit: is the tongue motorized or something? There is some kind of pulley there....

Who buys what or why is hard to tell, but I guess it is reasonable to think people will expect what they pay for to work as intended. If there was an honest explanation of what is going on with it, would be way easier to left it behind, the problem is companies don't like accountability, so they never recognize a mistake unless forced into it. That makes communication and feedback pretty hard. I like the Porsche more than the Chiron but the Chiron is a better Technic set than the Porsche. So I was planing on improving the Porsche with some Chiron parts -quite annoying that the new brake discs aren't backwards compatible-.. So the new rims can't fit old hubs, but can old rims be used on new disc brake hubs using pins?