Chromeknight

vote:Kara (TPRU)

Ooc very sick Namera has control til I post otherwise

Perhaps you might heal me Namyrra? Nerwen drinks two tonics and puts the baldur bomb which appeared at her feet Ito her satchel.

Welp. I died. Thanks all! Especially to the remaining players! Hang in there!

Is TPRU waiting for Hinkley to go to sleep again? :D

unvote: Agnar (Adam) vote: Canute (CMP) A theory that makes sense.

Dragonfire, your sig is a bit spoilery.

I'm sorry I didn't tell you I thought you were scum, cause, you know, I thought you were scum. Doesn't mean I wasn't concerned then. Just means I didn't raise it with you. Excuse me for trying to figure stuff out and talking with people rather than just writing them off as scum. Someone here is lying. So they're lying to cover up their lie. Sooner or later it'll be spotted. Keep poking. Not sure how I can be clearer about it. Sure mist was lynch because she was blocked. But was I spared death because I blocked her? That's the question. You've been flip flopping on me since the beginning. You wanted me lynched, you think my play style is weird and you don't follow my reasoning for stuff. I haven't explained all my conversations and conjectures to you and you feel left out. That's on you. I'm the same alignment I always have been, playing the same kind of game I always have been. Nutty fudgekins. These scum blend together, I never got any whiteboards. Reading back y'all were on ones from Jarl. Well that breaks the two team theory, since Jarl, Mist and Lambi would all have to be different teams.

If he was right and you're scum, it's reasonable. It's concerning that you can't see how your insistence on Petr after the LadyK fiasco looked like fast play to end the game. Why wouldn't I block him if Petrus is lynched. I can't block myself, there's no point blocking Adam if he's the bomb, I could block you, but if I don't and someone dies, we'd know who to look to, so Canute would score the block. As for framing, I misunderstood how it worked. But framing in case of investigation is a 'psychic power' play. The scum would have to get lucky to pull it off. You've previously complained about roles whose effectiveness depend on the aggressive actions of others. For night two, there are three options. 1. The scum kill nobody. 2. Mist is the scum killer and is blocked. At this point there are four or so scum left. So I got lucky. 3. Any of the other three or four scum try to kill me and it bounces. Straight up, if there are four scum, all equally likely to be the killer, it's three times as likely that Canute protected me as I simply blocked the kill. Dude. Me as scum shapeshifter is a possibility you raised. If it came from Canute, fine, but you ran with it. You suggested I stole the blocking power from Patrekr day one and had him killed at night to cover my crime. (Unless Patrekr is the vig that Pandora killed to cover her crime. Or maybe he's the doc that Canute murderised for his own benefit.) Ok. Let's run the two scum teams scenario. Again. First point, they have to be labeled the same, corrupted. It's not unprecedented, but it is a bit unfair. Second, if there are two scum teams only one of the teams can kill, since we've never seen a three kill night. (Counterpoint, both teams can kill but town has no vig.) Thirdly, our confirmed scum so far are Lambi, Jarl, Mist, Dar, Petr and Toki. Taken as two teams of three suggest Toki and Petr are on opposite sides. It suggests Mist and Jarl are on opposite sides, since Mist apparently didn't know who Jarl had been talking to about being a traitor. Lambi and Mist are on opposite sides, since Mist provides a writeboard with three scum on it. Toki and Petr different sides, Petr blocking Toki? I don't see it. That'd mean they'd have to be different sides, and would rather fight than take out more of the town. If you're opening up Canute to be scum then, hél, Petrus could be a scum killer too, and kills a Lambi from the other side. Um. You seem to forget, if he isn't lynched he's gonna be blocked? Unvote Petrus Fire-Starter (Pandora) So. Plan. I can go with that. Lynch Adam today. Block and Kill Canute tonight. If there is a tomorrow, I flip a coin between you and Pudding. Vote: Angmar (Adam)

Yeah. Keep thinking. Perhaps we need a check from Harald and Ragnar, but I'd've thought that if yesterday there were three scum (or two scum and an SK) the voyage would've been over. Therefore there was at most 2 traitors (or a traitor and an SK) yesterday, and with Toki's lynching as a scum, there's at most one left. So, with five players we can lynch at most three, you need only pick one (besides yourself) player whose loyalty you can't question. You can still entertain the notion that Puddinghead is scum. The only thing you can't do is entertain the notion that everyone besides you might be scum. So. Day one, I get drawn into an argument with Jarl. And accused of fishing. Night one I block Tariq, it's successful. (We know now he was vengeful. He didn't have a night action,) Day two more arguing with Jarl, and now I'm a lynch target. I claim to Dar (scum!)!and Puddinghead (who each know I've claimed to someone else). If Pudding were scum, they'd be wetting their pants laughing at my poor choice of people to claim to. The lynch shifts to Jarl, (a scum) and that night I successfully block Mist. Puddinghead probably isn't scum. The scum know I'm the blocker and if I were them I'd've offed me that night. But I'm still here. Was mist the designated killer or was it dumb luck I targeted a scum the night their kill bounces off protection. If Canute is scum he targeted me, knowing I was a power role, yet I'm not dead. It probably wasn't a conversion, what was it? Was mist meant to kill me and Canute framing me? Or is the simpler explanation better. I'm alive because Canute the town protector protected me. Day three. Mist gets sent to the big house. Scum are three down in three days. Night three I block Toki (successfully) either he was scum from the beginning (and I really need to die, having picked two from three so far) or he was vanilla town at that point, as he claimed. Night four I successfully block Kaupmad. He's killed that night, which feels like a wasted action, especially as despite his apparent scummyness he flips town. Night five. I plan to block Tariq. Testing the theory that he might be the vig/SK, explaining why there were only two kills night 1 rather than three as we might have expected. As it is I swap to Ranger of the Forest. Day six, the lack of kill night five, combined with the block gets the townie Ranger lynched. Why would the scum need to kill when I set townies up to take the fall :( Night six. I successfully block Pandora. Testing a theory that she might be something. I dunno. Her target was Toki. Night seven. I go to block petr, but he gets slated to be tracked at Canute's suggestion. I go to block ladyK but she gets slated to be killed because she mangles a claim and Hink can't hold fire enough to share info. So I block no one (successfully) Night eight. Canute wants me to block Pandora, pudding is ok if I block himself, I choose to (successfully) block Toki, given that if Dave is scum targeting Toki but not killing means nothing good. Night nine. I (successfully) block Pandora again, just to keep the possibility of her as SK at bay. So. Despite the scum knowing my role, they haven't come gunning for me except perhaps night two. Nor have they blocked me, which likely means they don't have block as an option, or they've always had something more important to do. Odds are, Canute saved my life night two as the protector. Assuming he is now scum means power roles can be converted, which raises the question of why wasn't I, and for that matter, Pudding too. More likely Power roles can't be converted and Canute isn't scum. Hink could be scum, but if he is, I'm alive because spathe scum figure I'm better manipulated than dead. But PDave (and Toki) would have to be a late game bus, which would be a risky play. More likely, Hink isn't scum. So that leaves two players we can't kill at night. We're past the point where we need a night kill, we want to keep players until we make a decision to lynch them and I'd rather be blocking someone else. It's still a live possibility you're the SK, pandora, so sorry but, vote Petrus Fire-starter (Pandpr) (Pandora)

Hink's analysis covers most things. He understandably leaves his own name off the list. The claim of tracker is, by his own admission, scummy. He's been the loudest to talk about conversions and theories of lack of kills. All of which, arguably, muddy the waters. Is he bold enough to stage a late game bus of a lame duck teammate to cement his position as a towniest of town? Or was it a legitimate scum hunt? Early on he said, "one of the scum is clever", was that boasting or just wishful thinking? I will point out that, as I said above, one of these people is lying. Four of us have made claims with lists of actions with the exception of Petrus, whose effects are obvious, we need to look at the actions and see who did what and why. One of the bigger questions to ask is,why would PetrDave, a scum, target TokiKing, another scum? Unless it was part of a conversion. In which case, you have a hat to eat Puddinghead.

Scummy scummy Toki. And yet we're still plagued by traitors. The good news is that there can be at most one left, since if there were two left they would have seized control yesterday. We didn't see a kill last night from the scum. again. Honestly, they had a shocker. Let's have it all on the table. I'm the 'blocker' I targeted Pandora. There was no kill from her last night. Pandora is the 'vig'. She said the was going to stay home, hence no kill. Adam is the bomb. The bomb is passive, he should've targeted no one. No one tried to kill him last night. Hink is the 'tracker'. He said he was going to target Adam, who may or may not have targeted anyone. CMP is the 'protector'. He hasn't said who he protected. One of these people is lying.

sshhh... He's sleeping. Let the poor mite rest, he's worked so hard...

The copy of the book that I was reading is damaged. The last chapter has fallen out inside my bag somewhere. Let me see if I can find it. But the pig-man is an interesting character. Always talking and plotting and scheming. Is he evil or not? I'd like to find out.

I'm sure you understand why. vote: Toki (TrumpetKing)

Nerwen begins telling a daring tale of fallen Viking warriors travelling up a river and killing each other one by one searching for traitors"

Nerwen hums a elvish tune, a memory of stars, to bring at least metaphorical light to this dark place.

And then there were six. Isn't my hair lovely? I'll be back later when y'all have woken up.

Nah. I'd've gone for testing the bomb claim (since its scummy and we can't night kill him just in case it's true). ToKing has been sorta cleared by blocking (for no effect) and tracking (for no action reported).

You haven't. That's the hole in your theory. If there's not three scum, but only a scum and SK, the game doesn't end tonight. Currently it's 5-2 Assuming Petr is town and lynched it's 4-2 Assume In the night there's two kills it'd be 2-2 which yes would be game over, but there's still a blocker and doc and bomb in play so there likely won't be two kills. But you didn't. Not until after PuddingHink did and not until very late in the night. And perhaps Dave wasn't supposed to be acting last night (he was going away after all). Knowing he'd be tracked and having him do nothing would've been a great result for you, we'd be lynching Adamar right now no doubt.

Yah. That's me getting character names mixed up too.

He conversed with LaugaK about targeting the "vig"-Adamar supposedly in order to protect the role. In reality it was to have LaugaK trigger Adamar. PuddingHink realised that it if LaugaK was a a scum and shapeshifter she'd now be 'weaponised' and couldn't be killed at night. Clearly we couldn't let that happen, so I offered to block LaugaK so that the Petdora could kill her. Of course I didn't fully trust Petdora either so I didn't actually block LaugaK that night. And no, I haven't lied about it, everyone just assumed I'd done it and didn't ask. So either Adamar is not da bomb (hence probably scum) or LaugaK didn't actually target Adamar, or her role doesn't perform as advertised (which I think is the most likely case).

Yeah. We're done here. All has been said in PMs and it's time to shine some light on. Adamar. You're the bomb. Every-blocking-one knows it so I'll just come out and say it. Unless you're scum of course (see case 1 below). You seem to think PuddingHink is town. So why haven't you voted for Petr yet? PetrDave. Dude. It doesn't matter how little of the thread you've read, the first thing you post when back is "vote:hinkleyhead". Justify it afterward if you like, but he's called you out and clearly one of you is lying. If it's not you it's him, therefore vote him. You're vanilla, or you're scum. (See case 2 below) TokiKing. You're vanilla, unless you're scum (see case 2). You get told PetrDave acts on you and you don't vote him? Even if you don't trust PuddingHink, and you think he's lying (in which case, vote puddinghink!). Not voting him makes you seem like you're protecting PD and protecting him makes it seem like he converted you to his side, which would be a night action, which was what PuddingHink saw. Petdora - You're the vig, unless you're the SK. But why stop there? Why not contemplate that you're actually scum (see case 1)? "But I killed Lambi, a scum!" Is your defence. Let's look at that claim though. If you were scum and it was the actual town vig (or, hel, SK) that killed Lambi, you'd just be claiming her scalp after you offed the vig night two or three. "But PuddingHink tracked me!" Well if he's scum too he's a lying liar and hasn't (necessary) tracked anyone. CMPnute could be right. Maybe. CMPnute. You're the doc, unless you're scum. 'Cause let's face it. You're pushing hard for something, that makes you one or the other. You've got this theory that PuddingHink is scum and is about to win. You think Petdora is the SK, but as outlined above haven't gone the step of thinking she's scum. Why not? You need there to be two night kills for your theory to work (SK and scum). What if for the last three nights we've only seen one kill (attributed to the vig) that's actually a scum kill? And why the resistance to having Petr lynched? Puddinghead is right, you haven't got a clean end game scenario if there's still a blocker and doc in play. And finally PuddingHink. You're the tracker unless you're scum (though yes, you could use a scum tracking ability I think?). If you're scum, why aren't I dead? Is it because you tried night 2, which lead to Mist getting lynched? If you're scum you're lying about tracking Dave. In fact you'd be lying about (possibly) all your tracks. You posted a list of your actions in the thread with Petdora CMPnute and I. I asked you about it and you confirmed its correct. It isn't. You listed tracking me target LodmundDuvors night four. But I blocked Munud the strange. I even told you that. Straight up. You've lied about that, what else have you lied about? Let's look at the cases. Case One has PuddingHink, Petdora and Adamar as scum, poised to win with one more lynch. But Petdora is the one who pointed out the discrepancy with the track list and Adamar doesn't want to lynch PetrDave. Case one doesn't float. Petdora and PuddingHink aren't both scum (or scum and SK partnered) Case two has CMPnute, PetrDave and their new convert TokiKing as scum, poised to take over the game tonight by avoiding the lynch on Dave and either lynching PuddingHink today or killing tonight while Petdora the vig is blocked. Case two is a live option and leads to game end. So even though it looks like PuddingHink is a liar, or just not paying attention to screen names vs character names, if he is scum, he's scum by himself and can't win tonight. If he isn't scum though. Team CMP can. Hink needs to be tested by lynching PetrDave. vote: Petr half-troll (PirateDave)

Nerwen, seeing Namyrra sign a lottery ticket muses about the passing of time, and signs her name on a ticket also.

Where's a rogue when you need one? Munk, good idea with that magnifying glass.