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Oh good, 4 of 2 is here. I'm going to predict his response. Ahem... "Do you think I'd be stupid enough to broadcast our plan?" Yes, it's called a slip–up... 4 of 2 and Paul, you're both here and you've been called out so feel free to respond whenever.

Of course I do! That's exactly what that implicates. When have you ever heard of a Scum watcher? Have you? I haven't. But 4 of 2 makes it part of his impossible backup gambit analysis and then postulates that said Scum watcher will do exactly what Paul did and then look at Paul's posts and reactions. Yes, I think they're both Scum. I can't put it any more plainly. I think it's the most solid suspicion I've had the whole game.

It gets really quiet when Scummy Paul seems to clear himself, doesn't it? All the Clem, Paul, Minga nonsense has calmed down and nobody is voting. I'm not very good at vote analysis. I usually rely on Major Dave, but he's dead. I was speaking with Diamond about how people sheep the vote and that, although I sound like a bloody egomaniac saying this, I'm not voting early so that people can hide behind my vote. As I stated, I plan to vote last. But it feels weird. Waiting for everyone to vote just feels off. That got me thinking about why would someone wait so long to vote if they're not Scum. Yesterday I purposely waited to vote and, feeding my ego and proving my theory, the lynch went the way I voted. If that's my influence, I don't want that responsibility, so I thought about the people who did vote after me yesterday and so let's take a look at all of that. First, here's my list of middle–ground players. I've changed two players' names to red. They are the ones who are on the middle–ground list and voted after I did. Let's further pretend that my vote is a significant shift in the lynch: Yes, 4 of 2 voted before I did but considering the interaction I had via PM, it's interesting that he voted for Bock and then later didn't seem to flinch that he was part of this important tracker code. After I vote, Bock explains himself well so 4 of 2 vaguely comments on Claw and waits to see if that bandwagon will roll goes back to read Claw's posts...for like 6 hours. I could call this a sheep vote but let's be honest, Laura Starbucks had the sheepiest and she's Town. Still, Laura is somewhat of a n00b and Rip is not yet here's a solid case...after I vote. While we're all looking at 4 of 2, this post keeps poking around in my brain. Yes, it's sarcastic, but I was not defending...I don't even remember who it was. Hyper–sensitive Scum Perspective possibility. Minga is not in the list but does change her vote to get a lynch and had previously expressed concerns about the Claw. Clementine with correct grammar. And there are posts that backup her suspicion of Laura. Major Dave was a Townie, but in this case voted before I did anyway and switched to a good case to try to get a lynch. 4 of 2 after many grueling hours of reasing Claw's posts, after being nudged, gives us an in–depth case on the Claw. Bock hates n00bs but wanted a lynch yesterday. In a mercifully short post, ZipZop votes for Claw. Because nobody targeted me. Harriet is the only one who seemed to think Paul was as Scummy as I found him to be yesterday. And he's been doing a bit of parroting of my posts. She was Town, drunk but Town. So Nathan thought we had 24 hours left. Why was he hovering and watching the vote and when would be a good time for him to vote if there was that much time left? There, I've proven I'm not great at vote analysis. Sometimes I'm just pointing out the votes. I didn't want to leave any out though so people can go back and look at them. That's the analysis I came up with while thinking about my ego–trip. Altogether, looking into yesterday's voting behavior, I would say my analysis implicates 4 of 2, Rip and Nathan. *Oh, and Paul's name is in blue because although he fits the criteria of my analysis he claims to be the Watcher, so let's no consider all his Scumminess for now. Listen to his words, not his Actions. Honestly, though, I don't remember a time when Scum have ever had a Watcher. Deja vu. Didn't I say that to 4 of 2 for some reason earlier? I have to go back and look. So, Paul being a watcher would indicate Town and I would hope someone would be contacting someone with a counterclaim for any of these roles that seem to be starting our Town block, by now. And checking out MafiaScum: So, that makes me reconsider my stance on Watchers only being a Town role...and it should make everyone else reconsider too. Watching me on Night One to try and find the investigator or protector would be a likely Scum move. Then to save your megablocks, you could claim Watcher and pretend to think that nobody targeting a person implicates them as Scum. Paul did say it was the biggest red flag, ever! What did 4 of 2 say about a Scum Watcher earlier? Now I have to go find it. Bold added for emphasis and Paul does say he watched Clem. Eerily similar to what 4 of 2 freaking postulated!!!!!!! Oh, and above you can see him answering a question I asked Rip about the Scum having "suspects". Harriet, on Day One says this: But, on Day Two says this: Afraid of the Scum taking you out because you know too much is way different than not having enough evidence. If I was a betting man, I'd make the Scum team this: Paul, 4 of 2, Rip Sewer, Harriet. You all decide what to do with that. Look, Paul's here. Addendum: tl;dr 4 of 2 postulates that the Scum watcher (which I've never encountered on EB) will target Clem to catch the Town protector. Scummy Scummy Paul claims Watcher and says he targeted Clem and found one person targeting her. Um... Paul exeunt s.r. Sorry that I typed my thought process as it went. I know that's a lot to read.

Again, I don't think it makes me anything. The result of a watcher and nobody targeting me is completely neutral. It just means I wasn't blocked, killed, protected, framed, tailored, etc. What is it you think a Godfather does? You think his watcher result comes up...negative? I'm going to guess this person has claimed protector. You know...with a Serial Killer around the Scum are likely to have a protector too. I don't think Clem, Minga or Paul should be lynched today but I want to poke the hell out of your claims to get you guys thinking. It doesn't seem like you guys are fully thinking things through just yet. And maybe communicating a little bit better behind the scenes. None of you seem to be on the same page. Tighten it up.

Well, it appears our Town block is in good hands. And someone is reading this as a guest. Should I check the IP?

Paul, how much else can you tell everyone about your other results? Again, don't tell us too much. Can you say that you confirmed some Town claims or anything? Clem and Minga, can you verify that Paul was suspicious of me because of his result. Had he expressed this to you in private?

Most of Day One's discussion revolved around how I draw a lot of attention and would likely be targeted so maybe everyone who could target me thought better of it based off of that discussion. You seem to be in the Town block. Has the investigator said why they chose other targets over me? Maybe someone like Minga or Clem have been acting Scummier and took priority? Maybe I was protected last night. Nobody targeting me doesn't say much. It's certainly nothing definitive, ya daft lolly. That's not what your logic says. Your logic is basically proving the point. Scum don't want to touch me on Night One because I'm likely to be watched or protected...and you watched me. And you were the only one to target me. So it's not that NOBODY targeted me...you did. The protector has a game of WIFOM to play as well. Do they protect me or do they assume the Scum will assume they're protected and protect someone else? Why'd you vote for Dr. Wen if you didn't have a reason? By the way, Harriet, you have a little bit of a parrot in ya. *I'm not they're

I don't really know that it's saying that. I wouldn't call myself a confirmed Townie by that result, assuming it's real. The watcher is a good role for catching the player that targets the watcher's target. It doesn't necessarily say much either way about the target. If the person targeting them is Scum then you find out why they were targeting them and it could be a Scum protecting Scum or Scum framing a Townie but... either way, I disagree that I'm likely Town from that.

I didn't force anything. Your Scummy behavior did it, if anything. You watched me. Nobody targeted me. That makes me Scum. ... What? :wacko: That defies all logic to me. If I was Town, I'd have more people targeting me? I'm so confused. Scum can repel people targeting them? What ... I don't know why you would think that would make me Scum. Doesn't it stand more to reason that since I wasn't targeted, I'm Town and the Scum assumed I'd be protected or watched? Which their fear would be confirmed if you are, in fact, the Watcher, and did, in fact, target me?

You're playing your game in private instead of in public and that's Scummy. You're still doing it. You haven't answered one concern I've had, you only called them misplaced. And they aren't. You even said they aren't misplaced, you admitted to sheeping the vote and being Scummy!!! So, you do or don't have him verified??

But if it's a case where he's been investigated as Town, then I would say he's the best candidate, out of all of the ones mentioned, for Godfather. Minga, Clem, Paul if you guys are building a Town block and have cleared five Townies, shouldn't you be leading the best case based on those verifications and results? If you're our Town block, what seems to you guys to be the best lynch for the day?

Hannah, you're officially a Paul–apologist. Twice you've soft–defended him today. But I'll play along. Paul Because of all of the reasons I've said but even moreso now that he refuses, for two days, to answer my suspicions and is now hiding behind Minga's skirt. He won't answer my suspicions because he can't answer. If he's Town, he's the worst, absolute worst at this game. No Townie should ever ever appear so terribly Scummy. People, he's admitted to being Scummy, not Town–like and to sheeping the vote. Worst. Townie. Ever. Sucks. Sorry, I usually don't get so insulting but it's just terrible terrible Town behavior if that is somehow the case. 4 of 2 I think he's a very weird link in the chain of what happened with ZipZop's code. PMing me that he was in the chain seems like a "Hey, look at me, I'm trusted!" and then he suggested we try to piece together the code even though ZipZop was still alive. Then he hasn't really offered much in trying to piece the whole ZipZop mess together or answered to what he was thinking and what was said to him and how he knew about Bock and... He's just weird. Clementine I wouldn't vote for Clem today but I'd certainly investigate her if I had that ability. So much hinges around her claim and all the suspicion she was drawing before that. Why were people suspicious of her in the first place? Anyway, now that she seems to be the reason Minga is defending Paul, I'd really like to know for myself what her real deal is. I'm absolutely lost. Then I suppose after that is Rip, Bock, Nathan... Diamond has seemed on the level, but he's definitely under the radar. I suspect you all. Oh, we know, Clementine. Apparently, you're the reason Minga believes he's Town. That's incredibly interesting...

What makes me nervous, Minga, is that you are vouching for Paul and he's gone and hidden back down his hole, never to answer the valid suspicions of his Scummy, Scummy, horribly Scummy behavior. Now he has you to hide behind. So, you PMed me to lay off of him and when I asked you how he could possibly be verified considering how Scummy, Scummy, horribly Scummy he is you say "If Clem is Town, the Paul has to be." That makes me nervous. Sick to my stomach nervous because Clementine has been under a lot of scrutiny and most of the dead voted for her or strongly accused her.

Why??? Just because he/she came to you and said "You're Town! Yay! Wheeeee! "? God help us, our fate is in your hands it seems. If a vigilante claims to you, you say "A vigilante claimed to me" to see if there's a counterclaim. That person won't come out and say "Hey! I'm the real vigilante" in thread, but would hopefully find a mouthpiece to announce it for them. If you say "I want to know the blocker, protector, bulletproof, investigator, tracker, watcher, etc..." That is the very definition of fishing.

We haven't had an investigator counter–claim but we only have Lind's word for if we still have one and seven Townies are dead. Minga, I know you were cleared by the investigator but that doesn't mean you or the investigator are telling the truth. This is a huge burden for us on Day Three. I know you're doing a ton of work, but we need to scrutinize everything. I'm not sure null–Scum is enough to lynch on. I understand the idea of that, but now you're fishing for roles. I guess you've already asked everyone to claim but now you could potentially be tricking people into it. This game is giving me a megablocking headache.

You should say which roles you've found in case there are counterclaims. This town block that is forming today is making me nervous because I now know that Clem and Paul are heavily involved in it.

As usual, you put it more concisely.

Did you mean numbskulls? Don't listen to Bock. Bock, stop it. You've played enough to know that keeping this info from the Scum can help the Town. If we announce cleared Townies, we can't read what people are trying to do if they are Scum trying to get a Townie lynched. We also give the Scum a target to remove the work we've accomplished. They don't want verified Townies to sit around and be trusted. The verified Townie can keep the ids of the PRs that the Town block is compiling and keep it safe with the Scum not knowing who they are. And if the verified Townie is a PR then they really shouldn't be revealed. So, as a veteran player and host, you should've been able to come up with that on your own.

What is null–Scum?

I'm so surprised. It's an example of the strategy I'm suspicious that you are applying, not saying you act like Scubacarrot, therefore you're Scum. The point is not that I'm better than you, the point is that your explanation of your vote, covering all the bases, wanting to lynch him even if he's Town, is Scummy. You're pre–justifying lynching a Townie. Again, nobody said you were and megablocking them up could be due to your being stuck in Scum Perspective. It's a really odd megabluck–up to make. Fluffing up your post with a dictionary definition, nice. Scum are hunting for the PRs but the one word of "dangerous" in your definition (because PRs aren't "false") is a bit of a stretch. The bigger concern isn't this individual point, it's that all of the points together equal suspicious behavior. We lynched two people who were posting a lot, so I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. So, here's another thing middle–ground Scum are getting away with, as demonstrated above: answering each point has a tendency to calm the concerns of the suspicious when it's not each individual behavior that makes them Scummy, it's the fact that they had several examples of defendable behaviors to answer to. So while his answers to my suspicions may do a lot to quell suspicion, just remember it was a lot of point he had to respond to and it's the sum of the parts that equals the Scumminess. So, you agree that the Scum know who the Town are but they still call the potential PRs, suspect. Now it makes sense to me why you would use that word. If I were discussing it on the Scum writeboard, I'd use the word "suspects" too. If we lynch wrong, we're done. Unless there's only 4 Scum... Still, that's a very narrow margin. No. NO no no. Veteran Townies aren't that Scummy. There is no reason to be that blatantly Scummy if you're Town! What the hell? I thought of this as I was typing above. It makes me feel a little better. I have thought of this as well, but the point is not that ZipZop's Actions are completely bonkers, as I keep saying something is off. Does anybody see anything in the behavior from 4 of 2 and Bock?

Then your participle was dangling. Please communicate clearly. Wait, shit. Are we at lynch or lose on Day Three? Since it seems there's a serial killer out there, that means we could be six Townies to five Scum. How did that happen so quickly? No. Because your plan makes no sense in the first place. You made a code to lead people to the tracker (who was killed last night) and broke it up between six different people? How many Townies do you think there are? Why would you send it to so many people? Especially the ones you chose to send it to. You yourself called out Bock and even threw some suspicion at 4 of 2. What you did doesn't make any sense. Then, today, you tell everyone that I told you 4 of 2 contacted me about the code and insinuate that we're "involved". Yet, you don't question why 4 of 2 knew about Bock but not Vazquez as you have grouped us together. Yet, you imply I should've known the other three somehow? You make zero sense. How were the six of us supposed to find each other anyway. Can anybody else of those six people tell me what the hell is going on? I can't piece this mess together. Something seems really off to me. How does Clementine being X mean the tracker is dead??? What the hell are you talking about? Obviously, you're saying (below) Laura was the tracker but how does Clementine being X mean that. Yeah, let's try more of that, ZipZop. Yes, doing nothing is "verified". Nobody knows what "result" means. Why can't you tell us what type of result? That's what is being communicated poorly. If you're grouping it together with the story about the tracker but not being specific about some other person who contacted Clementine, then why wouldn't we assume it's the same person? Eh? Whoa, whoa. You already did this for Clementine. You can't have Paul verified too and Paul has made the Scummiest post in the history of EB Mafia. What? You sent PMs but didn't answer any of the concerns raised in thread? So you'd rather play your game in private? !!!!! Hello!!!!! He admits yesterday to sheeping the vote and now he's admitting to being "not–so–townish" and "Scummy"??? If your thoughts were scrambled and seemed Scummy yesterday, where's the Townie non–Scummy clarification of those thoughts? No Townie should ever say this. Ever. I can't see this coming from a Town perspective. That's not the issue. You said all day you were inclined to believe her. That would imply you're not suspicious. All you said about her yesterday was that her claim wasn't handled well. You mean since the analysis implicated you as Scum you shouldn't have blatantly tried to write it off as fluff? You forgot to think out the part where that made you look really Scummy. You cleared the air with Clem and Minga?? And now you three are in good standing. This is the weakest defense ever. It is Scummy, it reads like thinly veiled lies and you've once again ignored the actual concerns brought up about you. I can't imagine what has happened in private but your Actions are not Townie Actions, at all. There's not even any mention of me today. You voted for me yesterday because you thought I was defending Clem. What happened to that suspicion? Me defending Clem insinuates that one or both of us is Scum. So now you want to go to Clem to "clear the air"? So you think she's Town? Or you know she's Town? That's worse than "defending" her which I didn't even do. You voted for me yesterday for defending Clem and now you've gone to Clem to clear yourself...that's the same sort of Scummy you were accusing me of. How do you expect everyone to believe the air is cleared just because you talked to those two. If it is 6:1:5, (Town: SK: Scum) then we need to find a Scum today. Scum can be doing any desperate thing to get to the Night phase to get that Townie kill in and avoid today's lynch. I feel like we're being given a gift with the Scummiest posts ever coming from Paul. Clem and Minga, if you're Town, you better be damn sure whatever Paul is saying to you is on the level. I cannot imagine what it is that he's saying that would negate the ludicrous Scumminess he has displayed. And, Rip Sewer likes to read the thread and not post. Like if he doesn't say anything, the suspicions against him will just go away. Quite a few people are hovering. Maybe trying to stall the vote? It's going to take active participation to get this lynch right. I missed this in a sea of ZipZop gibberish. Sorry. I'm looking at it now.

Hosts, I'd like to cuddle Minga and cradle its head and apologize for punching it.

The rules do not currently prohibit us from posting PMs from other players, so I am copying and pasting these to save myself time. We rented a movie and bought licorice. Yum. Seamus I have no patience. Can you post the story of who is PMing your with weird stories, anonymously of course. If the day is over, please tell me. I'm not asking for names, I'd just like to hear the story. So replace the real name with some pseudonym. Sorry if this seems pushy. I think the more info the Town has, the stronger we are. If there's some weird mechanic at play or a crazy claim, it's best to have it out in the open. ZipZop I am considering telling two persons the names of the Tracker and the one he tracked before night deadline. So if I get killed, it would inevitable be looked closer at. They may either be a town block start or scum trying to play the new guy. Or one of them is scum and the other incredibly naive. I am working out who I should tell. I have no clear town reads. The least scummy is my only bet, but if I am wrong I reveal the tracker. Is the tracker a role that is worth risking to expose in the event it may lead to revealing scum or forming a town block? Seeing as you are one of the more experienced players can I ask for your advice? Not mentioning who I should tell but how many is a good bet, to make sure it gets looked into. Basically: can we make sure it gets looked into and at the same time reveal scum? I am thinking as I write, so excuse my rambling and try to see my dilemma. If I tell 2 or more people, perhaps I should tell a third person who the I told it to. And perhaps actually tell more persons the facts, but letting the one that I tell who I told know only about 1 or 2 of them? So if one or two of the ones I tell are scum they can not kill the others of without drawing major attention. I am having a hard time where to draw the line. Seamus Give one person a code and the other person the solution. So, for example, tell Actor 3 "f" and then tell Actor 4 that you've given Actor 3 "the letter of the alphabet that corresponds with the order the player appears in the list of players in the confirmation thread." So, f would be the fourth person down. That way you're not telling anybody anything and they can connect only if you die. Now, as to my question in the thread, did the tracker say they targeted a person who was targeting two players at once? ZipZop No, there was nothing mentioned about targeting two players. Where did that rumor start? If it is based out of anything I have said, I can confirm that it is a misunderstanding of some sort. ZipZop I will try to think of a system that keeps it secret until (if) I die and does not leave one player with all the information. So by tomorrow it should be possible to form a town block, no matter how the night goes. Seamus Obviously, you're putting a lot of work in but you've clearly missed a couple of things. By the way, I'm not suggesting you spend all your time on this. My comment came from asking you the same question three times and not getting an answer despite you being online and being in the thread and then disappearing for another 15 minutes. It's an aggravating way to have a conversation. Or you'd go to your Personal Messenger again and again, I noticed. But you said "makeup artist" and didn't do a good job clarifying that it was a pseudonym for a person or a role. And someone was covered in fruit bits last night and people thought you were saying that was the role claiming to you. Someone else postulated that it was the person that "made up" the Claw and me and that was all said in thread. So you started the rumor and never cleared it up. ZipZop Hi, I have come up with the code now. I'll leave you with one part of the code, since you seem to like bringing things out in the open. Your part: +2 I should also have mentioned this in the day thread: Concerns that need to be raised: -"Tracker" claimed after I called them out. -"Tracker" asked to get in contact if anyone else contacted me. -"X (subject of "tracker"s result)" claimed to have been contacted by the same person after I mentioned the claim in the day thread, even though there is no possible way X could know who contacted me. -X was fishing for the name of the tracker, and gave me a hint that was wrong (and I confused some roles for a while, thinking X had the right person). Seamus Does the tracker verify that X was the person that they tracked? ZipZop I don't think I understand. The tracker said he had a result on X (formerly known as the make up artist). I said so in the day thread. Seamus But X gave you the wrong identity for the tracker? I'm trying to ask questions that I would think of if I were you, so I'm just barreling ahead. I'm not fishing for identities so don't answer anything you don't feel comfortable answering. With that in mind, has X been acting Scummy prior to this? And just so I can understand the timing, did the tracker tell you he tracked X long before X contacted you? You said X contacted you after you mentioned it in thread. I just wonder why the tracker would contact someone that they didn't find doing anything and reveal themselves as a tracker. Just because X wasn't targeting anyone doesn't mean he/she isn't Scum. It was a foolish thing for this supposed tracker to do...or they're both Scum running a silly gambit where they've put themselves both in the same basket. Scum are more likely to have a tracker than a watcher, by the way and when I host I give the Scum a tracker and the Town a watcher and rarely use the Town tracker. However, I just got done playing Town tracker in Ragnarok III. ZipZop Not exactly. He has not given me identity, and I have not given the identity of the tracker. The short answer is YES. Yeah, I waited a while, and confronted the tracker why now. If it was to throw me off track after bringing up some suspicions in the day thread. X didn't contact me before I had said anything in the day thread about the claim, correct. My concerns excactly. Or the tracker is the tracker, but being incredibly naive. While X may be scum trying to play the new guy. Both are acting very scummy, so they may well both be scum, pretending not to know eachother. Tough luck, because even though I am new, my mind works just fine. Don't pay attention to my use of his/her. It is more a distraction than a slip, since I have been trying to not use him/her/it, and mixing them up etc. 4 of 2 I've been contacted by Stig with part of a "code" system. I guess he's worried about dying tongiht and so said he gave me, you, and Bock all parts of the info so if he's gone we can put it together. Just making sure you know that I've got a piece, so that we can assemble if he turns up dead. Seamus Mostlytechnic wrote me to say that he and Bock are the other two you gave the code to. Why is he telling me this? And why did you give him the identity of the other code–holders? Doesn't that somewhat defeat the purpose? ZipZop Ok, that's interesting. and no, it would not. Seamus It seems to me like it would defeat the purpose but maybe that is because I handled it differently when I split a code in Ragnarok III. MT and Bob received votes and well–deserved scrutiny today, why did you trust them with the other parts of the code? A three person code is interesting because if you're killed and it's broken somewhere, it'll be harder to figure out who broke the code. Back to this tracker though. Does it make sense that he tracked X? Was X somebody that aroused suspicion on Day One? Or does the target seem off to you? Again, I realize the second question might seem like fishing but the question for you is valid, you don't even need to answer it. But it should help you in considering if this tracker is trustworthy or not. If they tracked Lind Whisperer then that would make sense but if they tracked, say Nemo, for example, that would not make as much sense. _____________________________ And then he stopped communicating with me. But after I mention 4 of 2's contacting me in–thread, I get this: _____________________________ 4 of 2 Hm. So Stig didn't tell you I was part of the code? You mentioned 2 people in your public info on this, but I was told there's 3 of us - you, me, and bob. Not sure why us 3 were chosen, but so be it. I'm guessing he did a 3 part code? You/bob must have something giving numbers to people, and I have which number is the tracker. So I'm guessing that you and bob each got half the players? Since stig is still with us, I don't see any reason for us to combine and crack his code. Or do we trust that his id on the tracker is correct and try to build a block? 4 of 2 Oh, and the reason I'm bringing this all up - you didn't name me in public, but the way you posted made it seem like you were pretty suspicious of me (like why did I contact you?) I had no idea that stig did not tell you I was involved in the code. He gave me your and bob's names... I assumed that went all 3 ways, so there was nothing to lose in talking to you about it. And I'm talking now to keep things open and honest to show you I'm loyal. Seamus He didn't tell me the names so I was surprised when I got your message. I don't trust you, sorry. At least not yet, but not having any way to verify people, I feel kind of lost. This is the first game in a long time where nobody is claiming to me. I suppose that is a good thing. I said 2 so people wouldn't know there's 3. I don't know what difference it makes but I never like Scum to have too much or correct info. The Town will go on if it doesn't know it's a 3 person code. I don't know why he selected the three of us when we've all been under scrutiny and got votes yesterday. Granted the person voting for me is probably Scum but still... Have you heard from Stig today? I don't think we should combine the code yet. I don't think the four of us should try to start a Town block if we don't have reason to trust each other and I have no verification on any of the three of you. 4 of 2 Concur with everything you said. I don't blame you for not trusting me (and vice versa), and no reason for us to combine yet. I have not heard anything from Stiggy. ____________________ And then after ZipZop posted, I got this from Bock, the first private contact we've had in this game: ____________________ Bock What did MT say to you? He says that he's the other person that received the code and that you were misleading people in thread on purpose. He also said that Stig told him that he was splitting the code among us three. Stig didn't tell me who else or even how many others had this code, all he said is that it's part of a code. Did Stig tell you how many others were getting the code? MT didn't say anything about adventurer1 getting the code but he did say that you told him that you knew two other people got it, but you didn't know who. (Which is more than I knew)

Look out, I'm back at my computer. So, because ZipZop does not have a very clear way of communicating, tells us several time that this tracker claimed yesterday to have targeted X, who we now know is Clementine. Today he says: What the hell are you talking about here? You repeatedly state the "tracker" contacted you and revealed he saw Clementine doing nothing and now you say he stayed home Night One? It can't be both. Everything else you say is nearly impossible to follow. I'll dissect all of that below. Because none of them seem to be doing a very good job at reading who the Scum are. Two wrong kills and we could be done for. That was not the conclusion. Nowhere do I say I believe them both to be Town now. And they don't seem to be putting me in their Town column, so maybe you can quote what doesn't exist you're referring to? No, you're clear as a bog in winter, mate. Bear with me on this, folks. I have a feeling it's going to be tedious. Who did you send the code too and why is no longer necessary because you survived one night? What makes you free and clear now? And what of your read of the tracker now? You say you were suspicious of him, what happened there? Vazquez posted five times this entire game. What made you trust her and why does 4 of 2 not have her as the list of people who have the code? My point wasn't that he received the code and if we were "involved with eachother" why would I tell you he contacted me? What? You sent the code to ... me and Vazquez and maybe 4 of 2 and that was supposed to make us the Town block? Is that what is what meant for? How did that work out? Again, what? Who are they? You mean drunk Vazquez with the five posts? What? You gave Clementine part of the code? What the megabluck is going on here? I'm so confused. Nothing you are saying today makes any sense. Who was contacted by two different people? This is impossible to follow. What the hell are you on about here? You do not communicate clearly at all or you're a horrible liar and sloppy Scum. I'm not sure what is going on but I'm completely baffled.

How does me reporting to you that 4 of 2 contacted me indicate we're working together? By the way, 4 of 2 is "the code" I mentioned earlier who I thought was Scummy for suggesting we try to piece together ZipZop's code. How could the tracker have stayed home on night one and have had a result on Clementine yesterday?? And why would a tracker ever stay home? I have a lot of work when I get back to my computer. Something is way off.