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You think I'm scummy? No shit. Hadn't heard that from you before (as I said, my memory...). Thanks for adding substance to the conversation

Sorry, I do way too much from memory, and thought he was dead for longer than that

I'm thinking it would have happened at around 24 hours, and that Tam is taking a long nap. So, based on that... He could very well defy expectations though. Personally, I don't believe in fate. We are making our own destinies here.

Sorry, I was looking at the last page. Anyway, do you all think it's safe to say by the time that there will be no zombie attacks today? Could we have a day protector or a day blocker, or is it a delayed night action? As strange as it is, I'm betting the vig summoned the zombies, by the choice of Shane, and the lack of a kill today.

I think Colin is moving up the list. I would put him ahead of Penelope at the moment. I'm starting to wonder about Patricia too. Her "I'm annoying" strategy really isn't helpful, and there's been a fair amount of fluff in her long speeches.

That's from another page, if you click on the link, you'll see. Any ideas from the braintrust? Who are you thinking of voting for?

I'm trying to figure out why Pricilla wrote a diatribe and then didn't vote, despite planning to be away for the rest of the day. That's not helpful.

How squabbley things are getting. It's better than no talk, but an effort to sift through. Are there four people yet to vote? Why can't everyone get a vote in during the first 24 hours of voting?

Hmmm. Give scum a roadmap to who to kill.... Interesting strategy. I'm gonna say no on that one, and hope the instincts of town and the advantage of having town being able to build a PM network day by day lets us overpower scum. The first couple days are often dark, so I think our luck will turn around soon. Why would Jamie and Donny be excellent SK targets?

Good point.

So Patricia, care to drop a knowledge bomb on us? Shane was town. What does that tell you? And since you haven't decided on Dogukan (or hadn't, to be fair), who are you going to push for a lynch? Now is the time to live up to your talk. I imagine Shane's towniness will be a deciding factor since you made such an issue out of it In the meantime, I'm going to: Vote: Dogukan (Dragonator) He's suspicious, and we just need to know. Patricia and Penelope are against investigating him, half the town already finds him suspicious, and we can't go forward with this hanging over us. I'm really curious about Bernard and Colin. I don't think they are putting on a show here. Between Colin's reactions to Bernard, and his happy echoing of my interest in getting Dogukan investigated (which is scummy to me in a way that suggesting it in the first place isn't, Patricia, since scum often like to be second or third in all things), he's looking suss. I would suggest investigating Colin tonight, but I don't want to listen to Patricia harp on me any more

I have to go to work. An enforcers day is never done. I'll weigh in in more detail when time opens up, but for now I can say that my three are Dogukan, Terrance and Penelope. But, the reasons I found Penelope suspicious for are drying up. I can't tell if she just took my finger-pointing as a guide on how to behave less scummy.

Braintrust would be the people you are in contact with already. I assume you made contact with another last night? Either could be scum, but you might get something by hearing out their opinions.

If the situation is as Peter has said, I think it's better to keep 'A' a secret, until we know what's up with Dogukan. If A is the protector, we don't want their name in public.

Since you've chillaxed, I can address this. Look back at the times. (I'm going to describe it from memory, since I don't have time right now to go through it, so don't freak if a detail is off) 24 hours of voting went by, with little voting, but I think four people had got votes, including Penelope (who I had found suspicious, not Patricia as you say). When Byron, who had been discussed as suspicious a fair bit by others, had two votes, three votes for Rolfe came in in a relatively short amount of time. That was strange. There was a fair chance that scum were starting a bandwagon, and I didn't like the look of it one bit. So I moved my vote to Byron from Penelope. Rolfe hasn't done anything that stands out to me as scummy. I know you're not a best friend of Shane, but he felt the same way about that Byron/Rolfe vote. Take that as you will.

Chillax Bernard. It was a joke. You aren't so old you've lost your sense of humour, have you?

Looks like Bernard is out of the game

I thought about that, but I just couldn't see the point of lying. We don't know if Tam will publicly or privately warn, but I would think privately, to not confirm any stories either way. Thing is, I don't know what's to gain. Does claiming to have been sleepy or whatever he said happened to him get him off in some way?

I'm sorry about Byron, I thought it was the best lynch. I'll have to rethink Penelope. I don't remember what she said since the vote. I'd really like to hear Kritina's interpretation of events is when she has time to process it with her braintrust. I don't know why Dokogan broke the rules during the day when his neck wasn't on the line. He has another 70 hours to defend whatever the charges are.

A framer is not going to make a scum appear town. They do the opposite. Watchers do not make them appear town either. A lawyer or tailor could. Those two roles certainly are less common. And nobody said they'll find anybody else to lynch, but fair enough, Colin or Rolfe could be playing up that angle if they were scum aligned with Dogukan. I never complained about you voicing opinions. I think it's a healthy idea. You complained about me voicing mine though. Nice how you tried to turn that around on me though I am willing to assume the kill on Shane was SK or vig, based on the timing, unless Tam is greatly breaking from tradition. So, Bryon would tell us a lot about the votes and will make a huge difference if he comes up scum (not that you'd care, you've already decided on Dokugan). Shane, at the time of writing what you quoted, wouldn't have told us all that much, assuming he was a vig or SK kill. With the information Kristina has given, it will tell us something. You're turning into quite the niggler, I hope you're not leading us down some rabbithole. Yes, and you know what? The investigator may as well not bother investigating until they get in that PM loop, since if they find scum, they would have to out themselves Anyway, I'm done squabbling and being niggled with for now. You folks seem to know how to do it all, so I'll wait until the moon comes out, and we have actual concrete information before weighing in again

Well, this gives us a lot to go on Night 3. Kristina, I hope you're right about having a protector, since you're a very important tool for the town

You assume a lawyer exists to clear Dogukan, and there is a chance, but it's not that common a role. As for speaking publicly, I would say it in private, but, well, rules, you know. From now on, would you be happier if we don't have public opinions? Just let the scum do as they please and not bother coordinating at all? Your whole thing is a little confusing, really. If he comes up town, you think I/we will claim him framed and try to lynch him (because the three of us are publicly coordinating scum?). Your suggestion then is to simply lynch him, which is better how? I know how you want to vote today, I'm still undecided. I really want to know Byron's was town or scum, or other.

Assuming we have an investigator, I think Dogun is a great choice today. I hate to meta-game (well, honestly, I love it ), but him and Shane have been linked at the hip for multiple lifetimes. The death of one can often have a connection to the other, in that they are on unrecruitable opposing sides. I would feel better having Dogun cleared as town.

Post in the day thread

I think we need a lynch to have something to look at later. If Byron is scum, we'll have a lot of other people to look at who wanted a different lynch. If he comes up town, Dogun is worth taking a look at, since I agree that people really weren't considering him. It's far too late to change lynch though. Town's fault for being lazy/hesitant early in the day. We really need to start early to have an effective discussion.