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This is all based on gold, not loot (items, consumables, etc). Gold seems to be a lot harder to come by than loot. Again, this generous thing pops up. I have yet to play in a party with a generous rogue. Spreading the gold to the non-rogues makes sense. I have never ran out of consumables, but just about every quest, I have been short on gold to upgrade my equipment. Gold is harder to get than loot.
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Hey, I am all about it, for WP items. SP, not so much as a Knight class's function is to have SP and tank for the party. If a Bright Polish decides to pop up in quest 88, it will go to Hoke or Tesni with Benji in a distant 3rd. If a Grating Stone comes up, then Benji, Nerwen and Jess will have to duke it out. I would normal consider a Barbarian class for a WP boost, but Tesni doesn't need one with all the weapons she has. I really do think class skills and roles should definitely be taken into account when distributing loot. But again, this is a team based game. In my idea, no one is asking rogues for their stolen goods or to play Daddy Warbucks for the party. If, in that same fight, the loot gold would have been 1,000, I would have given rogues some, but given the majority to non rogues. If the loot gold was 10,000, same story. But 50 gold is a paltry amount when you consider one player stole over 4 times that much and another stole over 16 times that much.
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Pulled what? Sounds like you haven't read the entire dialog. No one is saying rogues should have anything taken from them. Tell me what you disagree with from the distribution chart I posted. And no, I am not advocating that this be some hard & fast rule that every Party Leader and QM should follow. I think it's a viable option to make sure everyone in the party has a fair shot at a healthy upkeep and improvements. I will be keeping tabs on 88 & 89 to see how much gold a rogue can steal in a quest vs how much is handed out.
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I've already said Shield Skills are good to go. If someone wants to give SP or WP granting equipment to a non Mystic Knight, then go for it I say. But I think you should distribute loot to those that it will benefit the most. Guts had given Nerwen 2 Mulled Wines. Why? To boosts SP from 3 to 6? Hoke gave the extra Mulled Wine to Tesni to boost her SP from 14 to 28. That's a real viable difference in a battle, especially for a PC who is a front line fighter and may have to absorb Free Hits. And I did not even consider Tesni for the WP 20 greatsword because she already has a treasure trove of high WP weapons.
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Rogues keep what they steal. Even the Black Knight's Shield Skill. Period. I am not asking rogues to lose the advantage of their Shield Skills but to understand I consider that as claimed loot from the loot pool. Here's the chart for reference. There was 500 gold in the loot pool. All stolen gold stayed in the rogues pockets and everyone got loot:
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It's not like you or other rogues are the only ones to use Phoenix Essences. Tell me, what is the difference between splitting loot gold among non-rogues vs making the rogues pay for the party's consumables? I also don't see how some of you expect the Black Knight to dump his Shield Roll stolen loot into the loot pool, but not the farmed gold from other rogues. I want rogues to keep what they get. I don't want rogues to pay for the party's consumables. I do expect rogues to forgo some or all of the loot pool gold, especially if it such an insignificant amount. Like the fight as an example, rogues farmed 2,400 + gold. Of the 500 loot gold, I distributed some gold to Alexandre and Benji who both farmed gold, but didn't get a lot, and everyone got loot. If there was more loot gold, I would have split it up with the rogues at a 1/4 rate or something like that. I just can't fathom that a player who farmed between 200-800 gold IN ONE FIGHT would feel slighted at not getting 50 gold, so that non-rouge classes could get a respectable amount in a fight. I posted the chart as an explanation to why I set up the loot distribution as such, but I guess even after seeing the numbers, some of y'all are still make any excuse to get all the gold you can FOR YOUR PC. Your PC maybe a rogue, but you aren't supposed to be. If you want to scratch every imaginary gold piece you can into your imaginary PC's pocket with no thought of the other you play with, then you have problems beyond this game. If this were a single player game, then have at it, but this is supposed to be a team based game.
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The free hits were taken care of. Can't help it if players chose bad tactics when attacking. With damage some of those rogues put out, that battle could have ended a lot sooner. Again, I don't think splitting loot gold among non rogues is taking anything away from the rogues. If I got at least 200+ gp in a fight from stealing and lost out on 50 gp so non rogues could get a decent amount, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Few rogues were attacking the heavies in that battle, one of which generated enemies every round. So, no more reading quest 89 & 90?
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Heroica RPG - Quest#88: Fathers and Sons
UsernameMDM replied to Zepher's topic in The Heroica Archive
Hoke addresses General Hamilton and some nearby soldiers. "Have y'all had any troubles around the bridge lately? Orcs, nords or any other sort of brigands?" -
But tell me, specifically, in the battle in #89 how rogues were hurt for not getting 50 gold in my allocation. Mind you they still got loot. They pulled in over 2,400 gold amongst themselves IN ONE BATTLE. Assuming the quest has at least 5 similar battles, that is 12,000 gold for the rogues, which I think it was 5-6 of them which turns into ~2,000 gold a piece at the end of the quest. Plus one maybe two of the rogues were actually fighting in the battle. It seemed like the others were farming.
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I know, and I gave you the cool sword, which Hoke is willing to buy. What I meant is the Black Knight's Shield skill. Everyone, including rogue players agreed that the Black Knight should add his stolen loot to the pool or shouldn't get additional loot after the battle. I think it's fair to apply that same standard to the gold.
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Heroica RPG - Quest#88: Fathers and Sons
UsernameMDM replied to Zepher's topic in The Heroica Archive
Hoke listened to what the 'ambassador' had to say. Something sounded off to him, but he stilled the feeling pressed for more information. "It may have been addressed before, but you must forgive me for asking, but what exactly would you like us to do? This sounds like a most complex situation, and being outsiders to it all, it would be best if we had all the ins & outs of the various parties involved as to not unnecessarily step on any toes." -
Heroica RPG - Quest#88: Fathers and Sons
UsernameMDM replied to Zepher's topic in The Heroica Archive
"Your kind words rest well upon me Lady Nerwen. As I tried to explain, I have no animosity towards the man, but it seems that strife was all he wanted. Thank you for your words and confidence my lady." -
"As you say Captain. This is your vessel, and I will honor your requests while aboard." Hoke went to find a comfortable spot and rested in his bedroll.
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It's all in character. Just making some philisophical/RPG points that were brought up in the mentioned Black Knight ability. Also pointing out how much rogues can earn in a fight vs those w/o the ability. Just to clarify, I do not think the rogues should put their stolen items in the loot pool or buy consumables for others, but at the same time I think they can forgo the standard loot gold.
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Thanks! This really all stemmed from a misunderstanding I had, but it's turned into a neat RPG dialog.
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"You keep saying that, but you have not offered an explanation or logical response. You only puff up and yell. If that is all you have to offer, I do believe it is best that we part ways as soon as possible." (Seriously guys, we've ran around in circles and I think Scuba & I are RP'd out on this. Vote for either side so we can just move along.)
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Hoke laughed! "My shield? I am a knight, that's why I have one. If it weren't for Olmstyr, Alexandre and myself absorbing the hard hits, I am not sure you would have got back up. We did our job, holding the line. If you are so proud of killing, why didn't you take out Ognar sooner? There would have been less enemies and the fight would have been over sooner if he were down. But wait, I guess you kept attacking the chumps because you wanted to steal more gold. And how much did you steal? Over 800 I bet. And you want 50 more? Hmm. I offered no insult or animosity, I am only standing up to a braggadocious bully who'd rather cull the herd than take out the bull. A bull, that I wound up taking out."
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"Cowering? Ha! No one in this party cowered, except maybe you. For all your pretend bravado, you repeatedly attacked the weak and let others do the hard lifting, until I sealed Gombur and the tide turned in our favor Gocklo dispatced Bagnav, Tesni downed Gombur, I killed Ognar. All with the help of others. Early in the fight when I asked why you didn't attack Bagnav, I wasn't questioning your bravery. I was hoping you would explain some grand tactic you had so I could better understand the party dynamic. But no, you offered unwarranted insult out of a braggart's mouth that you can't seem to control. With your fancy shoes, sharp dagger, and chemical boosts, I would figure you would be better suited taking on the challenges of the battle, but you would rather preoccupy yourself with the low level scum. That and warm your cheeks on the deck after getting knocked out."
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Hoke nodded in respect to Benji. "I do not seek a fight either. It was not my intention. My intentions have been explained to Terra Chima and around the Uncharted Ocean and back," he says to the party. "I do appreciate your support in this matter," Hoke says quietly as he turns to Benji. "I can agree to that. Either is a fine choice."
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"Then let your actions speak for themselves. Put what you stole in the pool. I have no qualms with how you steal and benefit yourself and have no desire to take that from you, but don't act the part of the benefactor when your actions say otherwise." "And I have nonintention of emptying their pockets although their paranoia speaks otherwise. I would say that you keep what you earned. Tis a shame when thise who stole at least twice as much as your portion want half of yours."
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"Tis sad you'd place so much faith in the man who stole almost 10 times what you were alloted and offer up your portion while he sits there hoarding his and offering none. I had thought to offer mine, but I will not give in to this chest thumping bullying. I am not sure why the captain hasn't set sail while discuss this matter."
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"But you didn't, you won't, and I, nor anyone else here asked you to. Again, you will steal expontionally more than others will earn. You and the other rogues have pulled a massive haul of loot before any other were able to make a claim. If you go down in a fight or need healing, do you repay your fellows for the items or energies used to solely benefit yourself? No. I allotted items to everyone, and Guts's crew received the actual prizes from the battle. 500 gold divided over half the party is not a significant enough amount to put a dent into your purse. It's a matter of principle and I will stand on it." Hoke said this all plainly and matter-of-fact. He harbored no ill will, but it was irksome dealing with such petty greed. If he was the only one expecting to make a compromise, then was it really a compromise at all? "You have gold and items from this fight, do you not?" "Principle my fine reptilian fellow. I will live on it. A compromise occurs when both sides concede a bit of ground. If the rogues want to include their thefts in the pool to divide evenly, then that would be a compromise."
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"Well, that is something you need to improve on, but for now, I will forgive you," Hoke said with facetious chuckle.
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"If all you rogues would like to dump your loot into the pile, to divide evenly, then we can start again. I know the skills of a Black Knight. If he so chooses, he can strip an enemy bear with his ability. If it was significant, and he chose not to put his haul into the pile, I would not be inclined to award him anything further. The same goes for you rogues, who, just in this fight alone, earned a combined amount of over 2400 gold. That is more than some of us have seen in our entire careers. If a small allocation of gold that is almost 1/5 of that amount distributed over half the party bothers you, then I think you have a problem. It is quite amusing that the thieves are protesting being 'robbed'." "You are welcome. Feel free to trade if, upgrade it, or sell it later on. Mayhaps you could use its heft in battle if it better suits the necessary tactics to achieve victory."