Deathleech
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That's true. If you only buy one of every set this wave you get 3 generic elves and 7 generic orcs which is a good ratio (there should be way more orcs than elves, humans,or dwarves). It just sucks if you buy multiples of the Mirkwood Elf Army because then the numbers start getting really skewed. If you buy 5 MEA sets that's 15 generic elves and only 14 generic orcs for them to fight. Kind of lame. As for the Uruk-hai Army I agree there should be more orcs. I just wish they would of had more than one Roban Soldier. Including Eomer in Helms Deep instead and having an extra soldier in the Uruk-hai Army would of been the perfect solution.
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I think the wave looks about on par with the first Hobbit wave, if not a little better. It's hard to say though because I love waves with army builders and sets that connect together so this wave gets props for that. The first wave had way more sets and Bag End was absolutely gorgeous so it gets points there (except for Goblin King Battle which was pretty bad). I'm looking at the Mirkwood Elf Army set and can't help but wish it would of bad 3 orcs, 2 elves, and Thranduil instead of only 2 orcs. I wonder why Lego makes the "army builders" so lopsided? The Uruk-hai Army set could of also used one more Rohan soldier instead of 4 Uruk-hai IMO.
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Well the torso and head appear to be new prints, but they look the same color to me? Maybe they aren't the same and are just really similar. The legs look like they might be a slightly darker color, as does the ear/hair piece. It looks like LEgo used the same old pieces for these parts so they don't match color as well with the rest of the "lighter" colored orcs? It looks like the Dol Guldur Battle set has some sort of gate/opening though...? If so the DG Ambush is sort of redundant dontcha thing? Ya that's what I thought, which is a shame. I guess it's closer to the Wargs in the Hobbit, but I was personally hoping for the lighter brown, almost tan colored Wargs seen in the LotR films. Meh, I would rather the actual keep/castle than a simple wall with a tower for the court yard, even if it means a higher price. At least then it would be more distinguishable.
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I gotta say I am a little disappointed after seeing these pics. I know the pics are blurry, but from what I can make out these sets aren't quite as good as I was imagining. The Dol Guldur Ambush looks like a glorified Riddles for the Ring set with different minifigures. The orcs as a whole STILL appear to use a lot of the same pieces we have already seen in previous LotR/Hobbit sets (same hair/ear piece, weapons, and loin cloth legs? *sigh*). The orcs don't even look that different from the Mordor versions we already have gotten. The elf hair on the grunt looks to be the same we have already gotten as well. The brown Warg looks like it is WAY to dark brown. The Dol Guldur Battle set looks like little more than a wall with very few pointed towers that define how it looks in the films. I am left wishing it would of been a $100 or even 130 set and be more than 3 walls and a single tower. On the positive, from what I can see, Thranduil, Beorn, and the print on the hooded elves looks pretty good. Is Thranduil's hair also a rehash? Beorn's hair looks good. Azog is also great (based on the SDCC pics we saw). It's hard to make much out on the Dul Guldur Battle set since the pic is so small. I am hoping better quality pics will make these sets look significantly better, but based on what I can see all I can say is at the moment I am a little let down based on my expectations
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It could be worse, you could be paying up to SEVEN times more on things you actually NEED to live (not simply want) like medical supplies or operations. I would much rather pay double for some plastic toys that are in no way a necessity or hinge on me living rather than have to 7x what you pay for medical care.
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I would vastly prefer a prologue Mount Doom set to one that takes place at the end of the RotK. Every minfigure could be unique and highly sought after in a prologue Mount Doom. If they do the scene at the end of the RotK sure we could get another Eagle (already have 3, not really needing/wanting more at this point), another Sam (only one, always nice to have another option I suppose), a different print Frodo, and Gandalf the White and Orcs. Really none of these figures sound THAT interesting though. I mean another Sam, or Sam in orc gear compared to Sauron? Or Numenoreans/Noldor? That's like comparing another Gandalf the Gray minifig to a Beorn/Bard/Thranduil. There is no comparison. With that said I agree that the chances of seeing it are slim to none. Plus I would rather see a Balrog, Mumakin, one or two Gondor sets, and Witch King vs Eowyn sets over a Mount Doom anyways (unless prologue, then it would be right up there with these sets).
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Maybe it went for that on eBay a few days or weeks after it first started showing up in stores. That had to be the absolute highest when the set was first released (and even then only 25% of the set cost, not the 70-80% you originally claimed). A month or two later it was down under $6 on Bricklink, and shortly after that under $5. I know because I bought several. Plus eBay is ALWAYS more expensive than Bricklink , often as much as a few bucks on minifigures. eBay gets more exposure and sellers have to pay higher seller fees so they can get away with the higher prices. If you can wait a few months after the set is released and there have been some good sales/deals and inventories have sat around, you can usually find figs pretty cheap on BL. If you buy it the first month though ya, you are gonna pay out the nose.. some minifigs catching as much as $20 from more expensive sets (Theoden, Haldir, Grima, etc.). Ya, 3 minifigures for $20 is pretty common in a non-army builder Lego sets. Shelob only had 3figs and was $20. Mirkwood Spider Attack and Council of Elrond were $30 and only had one additional figure for a total of 4 each. This seems believable since it doesn't appear they are going to market this set as a real army builder. Especially not with a set being in the same wave/theme that is $10 more and having double the minifigures plus a creature. I would rather pay $10-20 more on Lego sets than pay U.S. healthcare prices. Our prescription drugs average 7x more than anywhere else in the world.. that's much more than a measly $10-20 bucks.. and that's paid monthly for most people. Waves with an army builder like this one actually end up costing me a LOT more than a wave without. For example the first LotR wave, if you bought one of each set, would set you back $373 + tax. The second wave would be $403 with Orthanc included. I actually spent like quadruple on the first wave though simply because of all the Uruk-hai Army and to a lesser extent to Orc Forge sets multiple purchases. It's both good and bad for me, lol.
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Not necessarily. The Orc with hair from the Orc Forge was going for roughly $5-6 when the set first came out, and he was the only one in that set with the hair/ear piece. That was also a $40 set and exclusive so it was harder to find deals on. That's roughly an eight the price of the set for him, or 12.5% The Undead from the Pirate Ship Ambush (the shining figs of the set) are roughly $10 which is a tenth of the total set price, or 10%. Since the Dol Guldur Ambush looks to be a $20 set which is much cheaper than the other two examples, and it will have 2 possibly identical orcs (like the Warg Attack where they ended up only costing 4 bucks a pop or so on BL), I am sure the price will be fairly low for them. Definitely under 5 bucks a piece within a few months. There is still hope for the armored versions to appear in a Bot5A set. I agree though, it sounds pretty lame Lego decided to go with the brown and green leather clothing rather than the armor seen in the trailer. Now I am wondering, did they just reuse the armor from Legolas/Tueriel in the Mirkwood Spider set? This one? If so.. ACK! Why Lego does some things they do is beyond me. I mean why create two different grunt prints for Pirate Ship Ambush with the Undead and the Goblins in the Goblin King Battle when both have only been used once? Meanwhile the Mordor Orc only has ONE print and has been used in 5 different sets. I am sure they will use the same mold as before, I just hope they have the spots or at the very least darker mane (which the gray one should of also had).
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If they are army builders, which they seem to be, it's not that unthinkable. Lego regularly does SW battle packs with 4 minifigs. Personally I would rather see a prologue Mount Doom than a Frodo/Sam/Gollum one for reasons already mentioned. And, if for nothing else, because it might be the ONLY chance we have to get Sauron as he appears in the LotR films.
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The more I think about it I will prolly just Bricklink extra Orcs from this wave if I want them, rather than buy the Dul Guldur Ambush multiple times. I don't see much point in paying over $20 bucks for 3 minifigures, 1 of which I will have little to no use for after I get the initial one. If the price is wrong and it's a $12.99 set or something I would prolly skip BL and buy the set, but unless the build/pieces are amazing it just don't make much sense for 2 Orcs at £19.99.
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Ya, the only problem is it was listed as being £19.99 so that's pretty expensive for only 3 minifigs. I am guessing that will be about $29.99 U.S. if true. Not really worth it for army building when you can get 2 Orcs in the Mirkwood Elf Army, plus the brown Warg, plus 3 elf soldiers for a mere £10 more. Depending how the orcs look in it will decide if I buy more than one. I can see myself maybe buying a couple just so I have more orcs with variety, though I will buy TONS of the Mirkwood Elf Army set.
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Hard to say at this point considering neither was in the book, except for Bolg at the very end. This wave, if what we are hearing is true, seems really good. I wonder if people will bother buying multiples of the Dol Guldur Ambush since the Mirkwood Elf Army set seems superior for army building. 2 Orc grunts, 3 (?) unnamed elves, and a brown Warg all make it appealing for multiple purchases. Meanwhile DG Ambush only has the 2 Orcs. Each have the one named character. I suppose if you want to just beef up your orc army and nothing else, DG Ambush might be appealing to buy en mass?
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Most of that stuff will be happening in the third film though, I was talking strictly the second. With 2 "preview" sets already being released in the first wave, and with the movie seemingly covering the slower part of the book, it wouldn't seem like there are a lot of action packed things to draw material from for the second Lego Hobbit wave. That is, except for the PJ created stuff. I mean just look at the book chapters, chapters 1-9 have already been covered by Lego in the first wave (they skipped a few like the trolls and Beorn's house). That only leaves 10 chapters left for the last 2 waves. Roughly 3 of those remaining 10 chapters are just the dwarves sitting on the mountain trying to figure out how to get in. Obviously Lego is going to be making a ton of sets based on PJ created stuff otherwise they wouldn't have much to release.
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Ya, plus it doesn't seem like the second film will have all that much content from the Hobbit book anyways if the Dul Guldur battle is as big a scene in the film as it seems. Laketown and Smaug might be the only stuff PJ has in the film that is actually from the book. After all, Dol Guldur is barely even mentioned besides in a sentence or two through the entire book and Azog is dead long before the book even begins. We already have a Mirkwood Spider and Barrel Escape set so what really does that leave from the book other than Laketown and Smaug? The dwarves sitting outside Ereber trying to figure out how to get in? That doesn't seem like a terribly interesting set.
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Blurry and bad quality leaked pics aren't the same as the official thing being released though. I mean we saw some of Smaugs head in a dark setting, but still have no idea what the rest of his body looks like or anything. Plus, if a pic gets leaked I doubt it changes things to much for companies, it's not like "oh, that pic of Beorn from the calendar was leaked online... no point trying to hide him now, lets just release everything we were planning on releasing later!"
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True. There is no doubt Jabba and the Rancor figs were the main reasons those sets were so high. Look at Mines of Moria or the Goblin King Battle though, both had a large molded figure that is unique to the set and both are still under 12 cents per piece, almost a third less than what the Rancor and Jabba's Palace are. Another example is Orthanc compared to the Ewok Village, Orthanc is well under 9 cents per piece while the Ewok Village is almost 13 cents (EV seems to have bigger pieces and more minifigs, but no large molded creatures like the Eagle Orthanc has). There is no denying that the Star Wars sets come with a premium compared to other license and themes because Lego knows the demand is there for them and they can get away with it. SW sets seem to, on average, hover around 13/14 ppp while other licenses like LotR/Hobbit are closer to 11/12 ppp. Of course there are some exceptions.
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Sorry, I should of said "or the price of some Star Wars sets". While not typical, some sets have gotten pretty close or even went over 18 cents per piece I do believe. Fairly recently Rancor Pit was 0.16 and Jabbas Palace 0.17. It seems the average is somewhere around 13 or 14 cents, which is still pretty high. It's the high end for LotR/Hobbit, with only two sets being over 14 cents per piece, and one was a small set with a large molded horse and 2 minifigs. At any rate the Laketown Chase seems unlikely to be anywhere near that high of a price per piece. I am guessing the price is just wrong, or the piece count like deskp said. I was just pointing out if it's $50 for 335 pieces that's not totally impossible...
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That isn't totally impossible. The set seems to have some large molded pieces like the boat and the brown plates under the buildings. If it turns out to be 334 pieces and is $50, that's roughly 15 cents per piece, not far off from the 14 ppp Weathertop was. If it's $60 I agree, that seems really unlikely as it puts it at 18 cents per piece, or the price for Star Wars sets.
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Do we know that for sure? I haven't been following the movie info much. I just know, based on the book, Bolg plays a MUCH bigger role in the Bo5A than he does anywhere else (in fact he only shows up at the Bo5A). With this info Bolg seems like a shoe in for a third Hobbit wave while Azog seems like his role will/should diminish.
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It seems weird Lego would release a Bolg minifig if Bridge Direct held him back for lack of screen time in DoS. Then again, like has been said, maybe Lego is releasing him anyways because it was too late for them to make any changes? I find it hard to believe Azog would be in Dol Guldur. He is actively chasing Thorin so why would he go take part at Dol Guldur? Then again who really knows at this point besides PJ, Azog wasn't even suppose to be alive by the time the Hobbit took place and Bolg didn't show up till the very end of the book at the Bo5A. I could honestly see it going either way, it could be Azog or Bolg. Personally I hope it's Azog just so we have a chance to get him. I would hate knowing an Azog minifigure is out there but most of us can't get him because he is so rare. Plus I am sure Bolg will show up for the third wave if PJ sticks to the book at all.
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Isn't the USD amount usually the exact same amount as a set in euros (same number, not value)? So a €20 set is $20? If that's true, the prices for the second Hobbit wave seem to have a ton of sets in the mid range but no cheap options ($20 and below) and no expensive ones ($100+). The more I think about it, the more it seems odd they would have 2 army builder type sets so close in price range too. I'm wondering if all the orcs and elves in these two sets other than the one for each listed as being special are actually generic as well?
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If this info turns out to be true, this might be one of the best LotR/Hobbit waves yet, easily rivaling the first LotR wave released last year. Two FANTASTIC army builders, a big battle scene with tons of exclusive characters (and much sought after ones at that.. Beorn, Radaghast, Azog, and the Necromancer?!), and then the Laketown Escape set? I SERIOUSLY hope this info is right, this has me stoked! Ya, that struck me as odd to. Radaghast, Beorn, and Azog wouldn't logically be at the battle of Dol Guldur based on the book, but with PJ who knows what he has changed around.
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Hail ZCerberus, now also a History Mod!
Deathleech replied to Ecclesiastes's topic in LEGO Historic Themes
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I can't tell if it's just the picture or what, but he looks like something out of a 1970s foreign ninja movie, lol.
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Ya, it's on the map and you can click it but doesn't show up in the products section. Odd considering it's still available at the Lego store and there is no notes about it retiring soon or anything.