Palathadric

I know, it's annoying...that's why it's better to start out with LDraw in the first place.

"What do we do about Adam? If he attacks one of us, we're probably done for with the free hits we'll be getting. I will almost certainly have to stick to the back row. Oh, wait, would your nurturing him remove his confusion?"

I really don't know what to say in response to this. Umm...I am the only option apart from Wilhalm and Snotra? Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, because I'm quite certain you're wrong. I know I'm town, but that is not even worth saying, because obviously if I were scum I'd say the same thing. From what I've seen, I'm quite confident that Scuba is town, or, at the least, the SK, I really do the think the latter is very possible, but it is purely guesswork. Wilhalm I have a bad feeling about, but, personally, I can't see him being scum. At the start of day 2 I believe it was, I pointed out to Finn by PM that I felt that among our "quieter" members, among whom were Sigmund, Beorn, and Wilhalm that I thought one of them was scum and that most likely either Bergulf or Gerrid was scum. Frankly, my main suspicions were with Sigmund and Bergulf. Which leads me to look at my voting history. On Day 1 I voted for Bergulf because I thought he was scummier than Danr. To me, Bergulf was the scummy one and Danr was a needless distraction. I think I also sympathized with Danr as he clearly did not want to see the Day 1 vote wasted on Bergulf, and he just got himself too involved. On Day 2 I think I made my suspicions towards Bergulf very plain in the first two days, but at the end of the day I switched to Gerrid. Why? Because, like I said numerous times in that day thread, I thought he was scummy. Did I think he was more scummy than Bergulf? No! I think I made that clear as well, but we did need the lynch. Like I said at the beginning of the day, I would have been happy to see Dragmall or Hervi lynched as well due to the information it would have given us, but I could see that that was not going to happen after Hervi and Draggy made up or whatever, so I persued my target of the previous day. On Day 3 my vote was always going to be for Hervi. I didn't like him from the moment Petrus started arguing with him on Day 1, and I was more than happy to be one of the first to vote him off. I don't know if I need a whole lot of explanation for that vote, since I laid my suspicions of Hervi out on Day 2. On Day 4 I made the mistake of leading the lynch on Stemid. When I voted I didn't really think that people would jump on the way they did, but frankly I thought it was ridiculous the way you were pursuing Erik when Stemid was guilty of almost the exact same things, but to a greater degree. That is why I voted Stemid. I thought he was a better candidate than Erik but I was kind of hoping that something else would come up. I think my main reason of voting for him was so that a mindless bandwagon wouldn't form against Erik and then, at the end of the day no one would really remember why they voted him off, which seemed to almost be the case. You say I've been protecting my son? Well, isn't that natural? Alright, maybe I did a bit, but I have mainly echoed the words of Finn when I laid my suspicions of Crainbeinn out before him in a message. He definitely seemed to think that my son was town, but now I guess I see that that could have been due to the bulletproof vest that he got from him. About him being converted on Night One or Night Two, if he was converted at all, I still think Night One is the more likely option, but I don't see how it makes a difference. As far as I know it's just a wild theory, but if there's any real evidence behind it, I'd be glad to know. For now it just seems to be based off his "bad luck." If Crainbeinn is scum, I am almost more likely to believe that he was scum from the beginning, but actually his being converted could also explain the carelessness of two scum voting for Wilhalm on Day 1, because he in truth wasn't scum then. I don't know about all of this though. Since we are on Wilhalm already, I will go with him next. It seems odd to me that a scum voted for you on Day 1 very blatantly after Ragnar told us that you were away, but what was this individual's motivation? Was it purely the vote of a disinterested person, or did Gerrid know that his vote would never hold water, but wanted to get in a vote for one of his team mates so that should either one of you die, the other would not appear suspicious. I have said before, but I am also very disappointed with how you just seem to show up at voting time. You and Beorn and some others are very much like this. A couple of you say that you are working hard behind the scenes. Really? Well, I can't be the judge there as very few people have contacted me privately in this game and I have initiated contact with next to no one so I obviously can't see the work you're doing, but I kind of wonder that with so many people working behind the scenes, together I assume, why is there no concrete evidence forthcoming? The only evidence I have seen is Dragmall's pitiful case against Erik and then another pitiful case against me today. "Look at his odd voting history," you say. Well care to point anything specific out? On to my suspicions of Dragmall: After Hervi got lynched, you seemed to take control of the town, I could be wrong, but that is what it appeared like to me and probably to a lot of others as well. I knew it wouldn't be easy, but from the way that you were talking I felt somewhat confident that some good information would be forthcoming from our town block, since it was nice and organized now, or whatever. Well, the next thing I know is you place a ridiculous vote with next to meaning on Erik and basically call him out for being a sheep. What was that all about anyway? Was it meant to help you find out information? Did all your time working behind the scenes not give you any better candidate? Another thing I wonder is, if you are really town, why aren't you dead yet? I heard that you are the kind of person that often falls prey to the sickness we call metagaming. Maybe the scum are afraid that you are protected or watched or something. That's possible but how come in other such scenarios they didn't seem to have the same fear? Now Snotra: I don't know what to think about you, but I'm pretty sure you're not scum. Like I said, I think, likely enough, you are the serial killer, especially because of your repeated insistence that the serial killer is working with us town. At first, I thought it would be a good idea for all the PRs whom Hervi knew to out themselves publicly, since clearly they were already known to the scum, but then Crainebeinn's post made me reconsider, there was still the serial killer lurking. Of course, from all appearances the serial killer is working with town, but there is also the odd chance that he isn't and that his having killed two scum is just accidental. I don't know about this, and personally I still think the serial killer is on our side and that making public all the townies whom Hervi knew would help to make things clear and give us a greater chance of catching the remaining scum, but I have realized that I could be wrong about this way of thinking and you could be the serial killer hoping to find out who the power roles are, so you can out them one by one. There is not a lot of evidence to back up this suspicion, but a suspicion is a suspicion and worth noting at least. This is all I have to say for now, but I'm sure there is more to come if I can gather my thoughts some more. Was it clear to everyone that Bergulf was Artemis? For some reason I didn't catch that until it was said plainly later on. I understand your vote and I do think it's important that you narrow down the list of suspects, but to me this method at Dramall is using is much too random. Is he planning on testing out Wilhalm, Snotra, and I and if none of us turn up scum, start going through the list of the power roles who contacted him to see who's lying? That could mean three days of worthless lynching before finally anything serious happens. Of course, I am not 100% convinced of Snotra and Wilhalm's towniness, but I think there is a higher chance of them being town than scum...just saying.

With the spelling, are there really that many options for how one may say "Progg"? I alternated between pronouncing Croise, as in rhyming with "choice" or rhyming with "roi", don't know why... Oh, and PsyKater, I would love to make a character for you...of course, looks and appearance will not alternate much from my good friend the monk.

"Alright then, I'll attack the "Magic" Red Viper from the front row. Would you mind putting me after Adam in the Battle order, though, as with the present situation, in worst case scenario, I could be knocked out."

"I wouldn't want to risk activating the red viper's special at this time, so I will instead attack Green Viper C from the front row. Perhaps, instead of applying venom, you should heal yourself. I don't know how useful the venom would be for this fight anyway."

I got numbers wrong. Well, I copied them from each other and then edited, so I guess it's possible that I forgot some. As for the subthemes though, I will roll my eyes like this: and say, "Crusaders, Lion Knights, they're all the same!" I think you just had to use your new Regulating powers on something, didn't you? Thanks, though!

Awesome comeback by Arsenal last night. They really shouldn't have gone down 4-0 in the first half, but good job in coming back, and what do you know? Chamakh has finally scored. I feel really bad for Reading though.

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"It seems to me that these reptiles don't actually want to fight. We have taken our offensive poses, but they just sit back as if waiting for us to strike first. Don't they understand that I would strike first if I hadn't this feeling that I have that I am being restrained or held back?"

Agreed! Phantom Menace was a lot less stupid than the other two.

Just what I was saying. I wonder why you selected Finn, I would find this interesting to know. A not unlikely solution to the blocker issue, is that Draggy's blocker could be scum and did not target whom he said he targetted. This is another theory I trust Dragmall to look into, but it does go back to the case that someone is lying. I don't see why not? Scum have done a lot of things to appear town including getting their own lynched, handing a bulletproof vest to someone whom you are not targetting does not sound too extraordinary a thing to do. :shrug: Just in case my quote of Rurik's statement threw anyone off, I was speaking to Cranebeinn here.

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What the devil happened to him that he got so weak between 37 and 47. He can't have aged that much. He has only half the power now. Etzel, I am fascinated by the turn your quest has taken. Really excited in seeing how it plays out

Why would Crainebeinn have been converted on night 2? If anything, it would probably have been night one, no? If it's true, and from experience it does seem to generally be that way, that the scum cannot convert and kill on the same night, then the only opportunity for him to have been converted was night one when there were two kills, but three killers alive (that is, assuming that "the Foog" really was a vigilante). I don't know about this role-cop fellow. If it's true that's great, but it's not too likely that Odin would have granted us two investigator-type people and we already had Bergulf. Furthermore, if Hervi was the godfather (who, I believe, is generally the only one who can convert ), would the role-cop really see him as having a converting ability? Also, what is this bulletproof vest all about? Did it protect Finn for just that night, or was it a more permanent deal? If permanent, how did he die? Another thing, why did you give it to Finn on night one. He don't think he seemed one of the more "Townie" people of our lot, nor would he be a likely Night One kill.

I would still very much like to know what proof you have available for us to know that you truly are the inventor, son. You never struck me as being particularly good with your hands. I would also like to call out Wilhalm who, although I understand his silence on the first day that this whole affair began, has been persistently very quiet throughout the subsequent days. Furthermore, where has everyone gone off today? Meditating on our wrong lynch? Forgive my absence, I was exhausted after yesterday.

To a certain extent, I find my son less suspicious because of his interactions with Hervi. He failed to vote on the day Hervi was lynched, and if he were really scum I would think that he would want to distance himself as much from Hervi as possible, as the bandwagon was already hot against him. Even his vote against Wilhalm, although poorly placed would be a really odd thing to do if both he and Gerrid were scum, unless of course, he placed his vote conveniently to distance himself from the Danr bandwagon, and then his scum buddy mindlessly went along with him, but I'm not too sure about this. Of course, it could be that they were just using reverse of reverse psychology and thought that we would assume what I just assumed and thus acted as they did, but I doubt this. I think it's entirely possible that he is both Demeter and Hephaestus and the names were used separately in an attempt to hide his identity... Got to run, more coming...

So either way, you come out on top.

Yes, excellent lessons, Rick! You were killed by the vig? That sucks! I thought you were the towniest of the town apart from Tazmaniac.

Very impressive playing from Dortmund to beat Madrid. Go Dortmund, my new favourite team I do appreciate how these days the Champions' League seems a bit more open. I mean, we had Bate Borisov beat Bayern 3-1. Crazy stuff!

Oh, I just realized that I never re-posted the Crusader/Lion Knight sets that I had posted before the forum crash, etc. I will have to do that soon. For some reason I had the impression that I had already done so.

Really well hosted, Rick and Pandora! Very interesting to follow. The last days were really short though, which was kind of disappointing. Good job to the scum. For some reason I would never have thought that Phyllis was scum...I don't know why.

"Should I heal Adam or attack again? You seem to be in excellent from since you acquired that satchel from Ricky, so it's not unlikely that some miracle will be performed, especially since you are also looking exceptionally fleet of foot, after sniffing at those smelling salts, but I guess it's up to you." I will heal Adam from the back row. If Adam is already at full health when it gets to my turn, I will fight repeat my previous action. If Erdathcath tells me to do otherwise, I will follow her instructions.