Tamamono

Looks like things are finally turning around. While Zeph being the SK strikes me as weird, at least he was antitown (and that pesky SK is out of the way ). badboy too, although I have to admit I wrote him off and nullread him because he's usually that all-over-the-place. This was probably a softclaim to get you to ally with his team, giving you crucial information that only other scum would know. Are the scum actionless...? ~~~~~~~ Now, on the topic of Alopex, I think he definitely has some explaining to do. However, now that we know that badboy was scum, I think it's definitely possible that he killed Pandora. I don't know, would his kill have gone through?

Nice job as always, LT. I love how you put the Friends tupperware in there. Keep up the good work!

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! h4d just typ3d up my p0st, 4nd th3n ! pr3ss3d d3l3t3 4nd l3ft th3 p4g3. yyyyyyy!?! th!s !s 1 0f th3 01d3st tr!cks !n th3 b00k. u s33 !'m n0t f0110w!ng ur r34ds, s0 u d3c!d3 2 scumr34d m3, h0p3fu11y 3!th3r g3tt!ng m3 lynch3d 0r g3tt!ng m3 2 v0te w/ u. !t 3l!m!n4t3s 4n 0pp0n3nt 3!th3r w4y. h0w3v3r, !'m n0t g0!ng 2 l3t !t w0rk 0n m3 th!s g4m3. y0ur "scumr34d" 0n m3 !s s10ppy 4nd b4s3l3ss. u s4y th4t !'m b3!ng "w!shy-w4shy", wh3n !'m 4ctu411y b3!ng c4ut!0us. fr4nk1y, th4t's n0t w0rth 4 scumr34d, 4nd ur 0bv!0us1y try!ng 2 m4k3 up 4 ur l4ck 0f l0g!c 0n ur r34d 0f m3 by pu11!ng c0mp13t31y !rr313v4nt th!ngs 0ut 0f ur 4** 4nd us!ng th3m 4g4!nst m3. 4nd my r34d 0n p4nd4 !s 3x4ct1y 4s ! s4!d !t. h3r b3h4v!0r h4s b33n pr0-t0wn th!s g4m3, but !'m n0t 3nt!r31y r34dy 2 t0wn34d h3r c0mp13t31y y3t. u m4k3 !t s0und 1!k3 !'m n0t 4110w3d 2 s4y th4t w/o b3!ng scum, wh!ch !s c0mp13t3 BS. 4s t0wn, !'m g0!ng 2 0ut 4 r34d !f ! d4mn w3ll w4nt to. y0u'r3 !mp1y!ng th4t 4ny1 wh0 d03sn't h4v3 c0ncr3t3 r34ds !s scum, wh!ch !s r!d!cu10us. h4v3 u t4k3n 4 l00k @ th3 gr4v3y4rd? 3v3ry1 th3r3 !s t0wn. d0 u 3xp3ct 4ny0n3 t0wn 2 h4v3 c0ncr3t3 r34ds 4ft3r th3 l4st c0up13 0f d4ys w3'v3 h4d? fr4nk1y, u'r3 m4k!ng th3 fl4w3d p0!nt th4t 4NY0N3 t0wn sh0u1d h4ve c0ncr3t3 r34ds. th!s !s hyp0cr!t!c41 c0m!ng fr0m me, but t0wn !s th3 un!nf0rm3d m4j0r!ty. th!s m34ns th4t th3r3's n0 r34s0n 4 t0wn t0 h4v3 4ny c0ncr3t3 r34ds @ 4ny p0!nt. y d0 u 3xp3ct us 2 h4v3 th3m? 4nd, b3tt3r y3t, y r ur r34ds s0 c0ncr3t3? 4g4!n 4ssum!ng th4t 4ny0n3 h4s c0ncr3t3 r34ds 4t th!s p0!nt. th!s !s h!l4r!0us b3c4us3 ! d!dn't 3v3n scumr34d u, y3t ur 41r34dy g3tt!ng 0v3rd3f3ns!v3. ! s4!d th4t u l00k3d l!k3 u w3r3 push!ng 0n n0th!ng. th4t !mp1!3s th4t u'r3 scum, but !v'3 s33n pl3nty 0f t0wn!3s pu11 r34ds 0ut 0f their 4**es b4; !t's g3n3ra11y du3 2 tunn31 v!s!0n. b4s!c411y, ur push 0n p4nd4 c0u1d h4v3 34s!ly b33n th4t 0f a t0wn!3 w4y 2 sur3 0f h!ms3lf. th4t's y !t d!dn't w4rr4nt 4 v0t3. but th!s p0st by u d3f!n!t3ly d03s. Vote: Zepher c0ngr4ts, z3ph3r, u succ3ssfu11y turn3d 4 nu11r34d !nt0 4 scumr34d.

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Well, alright then, it looks like Scouty's town after all. It's a shame that this had to come at the cost of poor Danny, though. Hopefully he was scum. In any case, now that our main lynch target is looking more and more town by the minute, I'll Vote: Hinckley. I've made my stance on you very clear, and now that one of the last threads you were hanging from has been proven wrong, I think it's time you get lynched. I'm confident in this vote.

Didn't he say something like "I could quote what she said, but I'll sing it instead"? He quoted Scouty... I wonder if DD really did drop any softclaims as to being the psychiatrist.

It almost feels like you're strawmanning here; I remember Foog claimed Weak Doctor in IMHOTEP, and I'm sure other scummos have done the same as well in the past, but that's different from what Scouty's claiming.

Because it is a weak doctor. Antidote/Firefighter is a weak doctor too - in that it can only stop some kills, not others. It seems to line up now, why shouldn't I believe it?

Oh, yeah, I'd think it would be specified if you would die targeting a scummo. Since your role claim is starting to make sense, I will Unvote: Scouty. I honestly can't read your defense (well, I mean, I can literally read it, but I can't get a read as to your affiliation from it), but I can understand a townie fishing for one of the scum teams, and your claim's been straightened out, so you're starting to lean town in my book. Null at least.

Oh, that actually makes sense; what if the chandelier was the psycho and the flavor of his kill is morning kills? Poisoning/Arson have been past kill flavors that have each had their own doctor (Antidote and Firefighter respectively), so I suppose it makes sense for the morning killer to have one too... I still don't get why it's a weak doctor, though. Scouty, could you explain that?

I've seen MOs change slightly from night to night, like in The Forest 2, but there's nothing here that suggests a changing MO. I could maybe understand the skelly changing, but we saw two skelly kills in one night, and I simply refuse to believe that God would give the scum two kills like that. I really don't see the chandelier kill as being the scimitar skelly either, why would it change so much? Miscellaneous killing actions aren't unheard of, but they're usually vigilantes, not scum killers. Yeah, I suppose it's possible that Scouty read his role wrong or something. I don't know, I can see a townie trying to bait the scum, and I understand that Scouty's too experienced to claim something like that, but I just can't get over the unbelievability of it.

There've been 3 kill MOs. Unless the scum somehow have 2 killing actions (which would be incredibly overpowered), there's no chance of there being a day killer. And no, I don't know any more than the rest of you do. However, I spend a lot of time creating setups for games like this, so I understand what's fair and what's possible and what isn't. From what we've seen so far, I simply see no room for a day killer.

Nah, I'm voting for someone who's claiming something that's pretty much impossible in the current setup.

:hmpf:

If there was a day killer, surely we would have seen it by now? I really don't see a day killer as a viable possibility here. Unless it's some sort of vig (which is unlikely due to there already being three kills), there's pretty much no way there can be a day killer, and if it is a vig, what's the point of there being a doctor action specifically for it? If anything, that's a scum action. While I understand that it might be a good idea to lure the scum into revealing themselves by pretending to be scum yourself, that plan has a statistically higher chance of leading to a town lynch (your own) than it does of lynching a scum. Honestly, at this point, it isn't worth the risk. Plus, Hinck's been scumming the place up this game; if Scouty's scum and Hinck's not, I can understand why Scouty'd try to contact Hinck to get the two teams together. Isn't a seer an investigator who can only see werewolves? Even if we take Scouty's word for it that he was really just fishing for the scum to reveal themselves, there's no reason why we should believe this roleclaim of his. There's been no sign of a day killer so far; why should we believe that there's one now? Vote: Scouty Occam's Razor.

iamded. Alright, that clears that up.

But you said she found him. Was that just part of the song?

I suppose that makes sense. It would definitely explain why she was killed, at least. But wait, does this mean no more psycho? That'd be pretty great. You're kidding me with this, right? So you're saying that everyone who votes for you is vote-worthy, and thus scum? What if ten people had voted you, would this make them all scum? It'd be my pleasure. Are you going to OMGUS me too?