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Wow.. I'm a tractor man so fully appreciate this moc as i'm very familiar with the quadtrac. A gorgeous model.

I've worked in warehousing and logistics in the past and have seen these automated warehouses in real life - this moc is incredible! I used to write warehouse management software... Excellent build. Very authentic!

Here's a thought... those of us with bikes know the suspension is highly adjustable for compression and rebound damping, plus spring preload as well as rear ride height.... Pneumatics could be used alongside a spring to act as the oil in the damping circuit. I've built car suspension and used a pneumatic ram with the hose constricted to act as a damper. It works well and takes the bounce out of the spring. If new parts are likely it would be a nice feature and is a significant part of a real sportsbike. (and a headache to setup!!)

Interesting! As the owner of a real-life Kawasaki zx10r and lover of sportsbikes, to see a bike being done properly at a decent scale (ducati was shite...), makes me quite excited. I just hope they do it justice.... the stream of cars in various scales, does nothing for me at all. The change in itself is very welcome. Fingers crossed for a proper effort.

I should have been more specific!! Thats £297... Bingo!

Now available for £324.... £100 below rrp. Surely the loudest voices about the high price should be equally loud about this excellent turn of events... No? Is that not how it works..... Another £25 and i'll buy it. Want it to start with a '2' just cos it feels better

Highly subjective. I can write code to control the motors, i enjoy it and in many ways is preferable to me... however, its not a commercial product. It is no where near as polished or debugged as the TLG app which despite the moans, will have taken hundreds of hours of dev time... and my app wouldn't be preferable to the vast majority of users in 100 different countries around the world. Its the same argument that often arises - Mocs/Apps built by us are not subject to the marketing/financial/demographic constraints that TLG are, therefore its not really a valid comparison. But, moaners love to moan, valid or not!!

(just to confirm, in case there's any doubt, i agree completely!!) Correct.. I love that i can use different apps to code a controller for my mocs. Its a brilliant addition to lego. Lack of the app is pretty low key really....

..and great news! Its not £419 anymore, already available with £60 off at £359... 15% off is a good start. https://www.costco.co.uk/Toys-Baby-Child/Toys-Games/Lego-Construction-Toys/LEGO-Technic-App-Controlled-Cat-D11T-Bulldozer-Model-42131-18-Years/p/364743?utm_campaign=FY22P2W2a&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email&utm_content=Hero-1&utm_term=LEGO

Ain't that the truth... again... Personally, i'm really looking forward to getting this set at xmas. And just to be a rebel, i like C+... playing with programming it myself is an important step into the modern world by TLG. Blending the digital with physical is fantastic.

Why? TLG will not go after individuals... the whole premise of this thread is incorrect. Other parts are already patented and its changed nothing. Unless you're a large copy-cat company, nothing will change. This is people desperate to bash TLG for doing the sensible thing - protecting their IP. Then in some kind of tabloid newspaper fictional spin, its been decided (based on what facts?) that moc-ers can't use it or they'll end up in court!!! Ludicrous. Now if i were TLG, I would definitely introduce a licence fee for those who profit from it. Commercial use is very different to private use. You can listen to music at home with no concerns, but if you play it at a public event you're supposed to pay royalties to the artist. Software dev tools are free unless its for commercial use, at which point you pay a licence fee. You want to use lego as a commercial venture, be a grown-up and accept a licence fee would be reasonable. Other than that, nothing will change....

I disagree... I'm a software developer, primarily using the c# language. This language was created by microsoft and is the equivalent of the bricks created by TLG. I'm able to use c# code to create my own software application - it is in fact my career... c# isn't mine and is probably the IP of microsoft, but i can use the 'bricks', and the resulting applications IP belongs to me even though the IP of the individual 'bricks'/code, doesn't. So TLG group should absolutely protect the IP of their brinks and if anybody reproduces those bricks they should drag them through the courts... ..but using the bricks to create a MOC is a very different thing. Now if you then use that moc to earn money, TLG may take an interest... Indeed, if i produce commercial software from a free version of the development environment is use (visual studio), microsoft could take me to court, so i use a paid-for commercial use version. Lego was just a toy, so no end-user licence agreements exist (unless there is an implicit one?). TLG may review that, and if you're using their platform to monetise it and recreate a business, they may want to stop that - or potentially introduce a fair-use policy for commercial users - and they'd be well within their rights to do that if they chose to. Again, this is common business practice. At the moment producing moc for financial gain is the wild-west... brace yourselves, there may be a new sheriff in town....

Don't quote me out of context, thats the cheapest trick going. What i said was.... "this is normal business practice - you have to protect your intellectual property. Anybody who thinks differently is naïve (at best)" ..Which is correct. Every company involved in R&D patents their IP. Thats a statement of fact, not an opinion. If somebody thinks this isn't normal, widespread business practice, then by definition, they are naïve. Definition: (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom So its not anything to spin into an angle against my words. I wasn't even expressing a personal view, simply stating what is fact.. so play your politics with someone else. Take your judgemental blinkers off and realise i was stating fact and not attacking anybody.

Well said .*1000 TLG spend millions on r&d and are totally entitled to patent it. Thousands of companies patent things every day, this is normal business practice - you have to protect your intellectual property. Anybody who thinks differently is naïve (at best) If TLG have got one back after having their entire platform copied/stolen, good on them. They created the whole thing... the flipflop beam is a great example of someone standing on the shoulders of giants. Can't believe that this forum is critical of TLG protecting its own designs.

Thats a bold statement. Some may consider it better in some areas, but 'light years' is a pretty unrealistic claim... but feel free to add supportive evidence! (ps Its a great moc, not knocking the builder, just questioning the hyperbole used...)

Looks pretty simple to be honest.. pretty sure the average 6 yr old would grasp it rapidly, so us grown-ups should have no issues. Honestly don't the see the drama. Obviously Sariels review was negative, thats just normal.

One solution actually built is worth 100 talked about on forums but never achieved

There's a lot of common sense in here I have no evidence to support my view, but i wonder is the one's with the expectations of whims and fancies being met aren't an age demographic rather then a time-served group. Interesting to know... but ultimately we are privileged to have collections of 10's of thousands of pieces at relatively modest cost. Either way, i'm a fan of this set for reasons previously mentioned. As a none-car guy, there's nothing as repetitive as the supercars. For me construction is much more varied and diverse. Just look at BWE, Liebherr, this bulldozer, 8043, 42082, 42114, Arocs(?).. All construction and very very diverse. I think its a great category and definitely not repetitive!! At least in my view...

I couldn't agree more. I was always hopeful about this set as construction seems to be technics natural home - the bwe is still a favourite of mine - I get a lot more from the amazing photo's in @Jim 's reviews, really get a feel for the set. I was already planning on buying this, i'm now really excited for it. I'm on record as stating @Jim reviews are more aligned with my view of what technic is for me. This review and set especially so - it feels like a proper technic set. I love its size, the way it looks etc. It reminds me of why i fell in love with technic in the late 70's/early 80's. Its way more advanced than anything i could dream of back then, but it has the same 'feel'. My top 3 are currently BWE, Arocs and 8043 - this feels like a genuine podium contender. Building experience is everything for me. Claas bored me despite me being a big tractor fan. So for it score an 11 is all i needed to know. I'm looking forward to spending 2 or 3 days enjoying it over xmas. Thanks for an excellent review.

Not strictly speaking correct... the reason its 75% full is because clearly people do. My responses are usually to offer the other side of the coin - that some of us will be buying it, and explaining my logic behind the decision (which i think is within the rules...). Cost is an issue to plenty of people. To generalise and say that no one gives a rip is meaningless, as are all generalisations. Personally between the cost-moaners and the C+-moaners, i think nearer 90% of a thread is taken up... and i REALLY couldn't give a rip about the C+ issue.. but thats not for you or me to say. Freedom to discuss the set is vital. Cost is a factual element of the set. People will have opinions, and they're completely within their rights to discuss it... whether its fits with your agenda, my agenda, or not.

I just explained my position pretty clearly!! I didn't say it wasn't expensive, what i did do was draw a cost comparison to what smokers and drinkers spend regularly and indeed, what i spend on other hobbies. I pay £800 for an arai helmet, £400 for alpinstar boots, £200 for a back protector, £180 for gloves and £1000 for my leathers.. and that not considering the cost of the bike. The petrol and tyres i go through just to run it.. My walking boots are £270, the crampons are £120, my jackets are £200 ish.. plus gloves and hats. Plus deisel driving there and back.... I'll repeat my position... Its definitely not cheap. But its cheaper than booze and cigarettes which people just accept, and its by far the cheapest of my hobby's. Its a comparison, not an absolute judgement on its price.

We do share the same hobby, and a magnificent one it is too! The CAT ticks all my model boxes. Lots of parts, big scale, a practical form factor - Construction and agriculture for me are perfect for technic. Its expensive, but as i've commented before, i don't smoke and rarely drink. Smokers seem to spend £40 or £50 a week, drinkers probably the same. In 6 weeks the burn more cash than this set costs and have nothing to show for it.. Its all about perspective. When i was a kid, 853 was £12 (!!! Those were the days!!!), compared to that its a lot of money for sure. But for a hobby, a once a year flagship purchase...? Like i said, it all relative. I buy one set a year usually as my collection is a decent size so i don't need parts, £350 a year on a hobby i love? I can live with that. I spend a lot of time in the mountains all year round and on motorbikes in summer, and both of those cost me more than lego. A lot more!! (and result in more hospital visits....). And compared to people who go to the pub every friday and saturday night, drinking and smoking, its actually reasonably priced... and i know thats a controversial thing to say, and it is expensive for a toy, but just consider the context i've described above... Peace.

I don't want printed parts. I want stickers that i can leave off.. I want parts for mocs, not pieces with 'cat' printed on them that i can't use for anything else... Its trying to tell you something!! Don't sit it on a shelf... waste of lego!! Enjoy it, dismantle it and build mocs. Airfix is for shelfs. Lego is for building.

improvements to a design that nobody's actually seen yet?!! I know the drive goes to the 'wrong' sprocket, but to suggest an improved placement of motors etc when the original in largely unknown seems a bit presumptuous to say the least... ...updates post-release, without the internal, commercial restrictions of tlg is a valid project. But currently there's been 2 pics and a video. A little premature i feel.