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I saw the 911-martini earlier this week in The Lego Car Blog and the video of the bleaked one. Congrats, it is a great model This alternate is going to sell lots of Astons

Then and Now - Comparing 4892 Prehistoric Power and 31058 Mighty Dinosaurs Just to provide an initial image of both sets together, please find below the main model of the 31058 with my MOC of a T-rex from 4892 using 85% of the available pieces. There are more pics of both sets along the post, which goes through Facts, Commercial, Parts&Techniques, Models & Community and Conclussions Now and then I buy old sets and they surprise me how archaic they look in respect to more recent ones. I am not trying to review boths sets here but to remark the changes in Lego across the years using these sets. Specially in the ball joints or articulation elements. If the Lego-volution topic is of your interest, please do not take this post as a comparison skipping to the end to find a winner because for me the meat is in the discussion so please feel free to share your thoughts. And my final conclusion is that both are excellent, “Each, in its own way”. I am publishing here to enable an open dialogue and your opinion is welcomed. Then and Now: Facts Year: 2006 2017 Set number: 4892 31058 Set name: Prehistoric Power Mighty Dinosaurs Branding: 8in1 3in1 Piece count: 380 174 (2.2 times) Weight of the pieces (grams): 381 108 (3.5 times) By the way, I am convinced that set size, part count and weight are only considered by AFOLs during purchase consideration, and not by children who are more comfortable with smaller sizes and sturdier and lighter models. Then and Now: Commercial Both Creator sets belongs to the 3in1 lineup, although the old one was advertised as 8in1. They are obviously similar because of the theme but going into the substance, both sets are alike because they were designed to build several brick-built creatures using articulated joints and giving them an organic look with wedges and slopes. The Creator line is now well established and there is a yearly spot for a “small brick-built 3in1 creatures set”, whereas in 2006 it was starting to understand its space in the product lineup. In fact it was its first year of life as we know it today, replacing the “Designer’s Set” range. The modern 31058 fills a spot in the 15 €/$ low range and the old Triceratops 4892 was positioned in the middle size spot of that year with a suggested price of 20 €/$. Do not get fooled by the proximity of the above numbers. Prices have changed in 11 years so the double box-size and piece count - and triple weight - puts the older set in the range of 2017’s 31064 Island Adventures or 31068 Modular Modern Home of 30 to 35 €/$. Pictures reflects clearly the differences in size. Then and Now: Parts&Techniques The old set has bigger, sharper and heavier pieces. By 2006 there were no small smooth curved slopes, as the 2008’s curved 4x1 no studs 61678, the 2013’s Curved 1x2 no studs 11477 or the 2014’s Curved 2x2 no studs 15068. So the organic shaping was achieved by straight slopes, being the smallest available the 45º 2x1, but in general by 4x1 and 4x2 wedges. This requires a bigger scale to achieve relatively smooth shapes and as a result the old set feels bulky, heavy and sharp in every ridge and corner whereas the new one is light and comfy to the hand allowing better child play. Even the old brick separator included in 4892 is heavier and sharper! Well, 31058 does not include the orange one but you get the point. The solutions for the articulation of limbs and jaws shows an even more drastic change. Joints have evolved greatly in 11 years. I suggest to have a look to the following links for further detail in joints: link1, link 2 (Mecha builders are the experts in this topic) My understanding is that the families of joints are, from strongest to weakest and from more degrees of articulation (flexible) to less: Special - as the “AT-AT leg joint” or compass seen in V-shape in the image Rackets - also known as Exo-Force joints, now discontinued and the 4892 main solution in red and grey Bionicle balls -could be “Big balls” but I am not looking for jokes- these are present in 31058 Hinges, as the yellow example, in many variations Mixel joints or “Small balls” also known as, small cups, also included in 31058 Old style turntables in various formats The old cups for small balls, in old grey in the top-left corner The infinite possibilities of bars and clips When I started with Creator animals I was a bit puzzled on how many solutions are available to provide articulation, the above pic is my effort to make sense of them. I think that Lego just produced different solutions at different moments in time for different needs/product lines (Exo-Force, Bionicle, Mixels…) Yes, the Lego brick is 60 years old and its patent has expired; that applies just to the old 2x4 brick. Joints and slopes in 31038 are designs of the recent 21st century, just around the corner; and I do not think that it was possible to produce them with quality even in 2006, comparing the loose grip of old cups with the nice one of the new small balls.This and the bigger one in black in the top-center of the image was one of the hardest family to distinguish across sets inventories and in bkicklink. The bigger is a bit stronger but both are excellent, the smaller is also simpler to use. Variations of SNOT pieces have been released in these years as well. Not sure what has refrained Lego from making available all variations at once from the beginning, apart from brackets which might have required additional technology to avoid cracking. The fact is that from the 2006 set we just get three models of 2-ways SNOT elements in small quantities which pales in comparison with the assortment of 2-ways and even a 3-ways pieces in the modern set. Then and Now: Models & Community At that time the AFOL community had not available all current tools and cameras, so 4892 reviews are not as detailed as the ones for 31058. Brickset’s Review 31058 and Eurobrick’s Review 4892 Jangbrick’s video review 31058 and Video for 4892 Regarding alternates or C-models, both sets are designed for this purpose offering each a huge number of possibilities. The old one missed a T-Rex among the 12 suggested in the instructions’ booklets, maybe because there was one as the main model of 4507 - Prehistoric Creatures from 2004, under the “Designer’s Set” range. I had filled that spot, which can be found in rebrickable , and anyone could make another dozen of excellent models. It is the first alternate to that set in rebrickable, a symptom of what was going on online in 2006. The instructions include 8 models but I’d say just 3 use 75% or more of the available pieces. The new one seems to “only” include instructions for 3 models in the box but there is a fourth one (diplodocus) available for download by Lego (plus some additionals!?) In addition to that it was the star of a contest for alternatives in 2017 and as a result it showcases 24 excellent MOCs in rebrickable and there should be many more in youtube and other pages. What I read from the above is that the Lego effort in producing alternatives /C-models has been substituted by the community activity, with an astonishing improvement. I do not mean that Lego is not doing nothing to promote, create and provoke us, the community, just that the move has been good and it is providing more “play” for all. Due to its nature and parts selection, there has not been any problem in finding examples or ideas to make equivalent models for both sets.I picture here the official main models for each set with the other set matching the “challenge”. I have enjoyed this a lot!! Then and Now: Conclusion Both sets are excellent but if you are used to the 2010’s Lego experience the old set feels … old Despite the new slopes giving a better look and the new SNOTs allowing amazing solutions, there is a complaint I keep on reading from AFOLs feeling a bit cheating in respect to the old times.That is because there are too many specialized pieces. There is a blurry border between a prefabricated plastic toy to be assembled once and played and a construction blocks toy to be built and rebuilt. And the line might be drawn based on the number of available elements and its ability to be used in several builds, fostering or killing creativity. I would say that yes, we have 10 times more parts than before, but the way they are designed to be combined gives as well 10 more models out of the same pieces, keeping the level up. I would say that creativity is king in both sets and the “specialized elements” in 31058 provides lots of opportunities,more than the old blocks from 4892. The main reason for that is the flexibility added by the small joints and the variety of SNOT elements. Anyhow, I am extremely happy with my old triceratops and its bulky and heavy feel fills me with nostalgia and joy.

Day 1 purchase for me. I would have missed the set without this awesome review

Many thanks, and the shadow is actually a good way to see the difference under different lighting. Waiting for your review, but it should be horrible to keep me away of this beauty. I'm just missing the new clutch

These fenders should had been made in two halves. They are just too big to be genreral-purpose. And for the rest, I read in promobricks gearbox and 4x4 with 3 diffs and independent suspension. Sounds pretty techical to me. Not a fan of the colour, but just need to wait for some discount as it is a great model Amazing 2H, not sure yet if I need to choose between the offroader and the Land Rover or Lego has played well to make me think that getting both is a better deal than just one.

It is unavoidable to buy this, at least for me. It's just a matter of waiting for some discount. Not all future sets will have the new planetaries + clutch + joints. In cars as the 1H Porsche they would be nonsensical, so these pieces will come in pricey sets anyway. And even if you do not want the new control hub & motors (I'm not really understanding why not) the will be easy to sell in the aftermarket.

Thanks for the review, excellent as usual. It's fun to see a Creator set review in the Technic forum but I think it makes a lot of sense. In the press release thread I have just posted that this set can be compared -favourably- to 42096 Technic Porsche, as the Porsche has barelly more technic functions than the Mustang. This set recalls me the complaints on the un-technification of the Technic line, not because Creator gets better which is something I like, but because it makes blatantly true that comment saying "42096 is a glorified 42077" (the blue car from 2018) Technic should forget the looks and focus on complexity, Sytem will allways beat us in looks. And, of course, I'll get the mustang. But not the porsche,;sourcing the new white panels would be enough.

Awesome model, and after seeing many reviews, spectacular photos. Are they from Lego? IMHO this is better than this year's technic Porsche. Looks even better and almost the same number of functions; just lacks suspension...

LOL But I am more in the toy bandwagon. For me it is entertainment in pieces, specially the new electronics I can feel guilty for expending so much in a non vital thing, as I would do with expensive clothing, restaurants or watches, but in my mind is money spending in having fun so, a toy. Regardless it surpasess my budget for that or not

Images should be searched elsewhere, as for example in instagram #legoleaks, but not in this forum I do not get why earlier in this forum the Car Transporter -truck was reported to be black or dark blue. Pics shows it is mainly red with some grey and white. Super excited with this one: It looks as a great platform (ha!) for selling pull-backs. I hope that camaro-blue is the same as 42077 and 42095 but who knows, it might be the muted one from the jet plane Similar with off-road color, the undercarriage seems red and the rest black/dgb and lbg with black wheel hubs, no orange/yellow in the pics. It is a must, in my opinion, as past 4x4 and buggys. If it is fun to drive it outdoors the price might not be a problem

42040 B model fits a minifig in the cockpit quite well, there is a pic linked in my brickset's review

Really happy of seeing it done, and it flies! I thought on doing using the friend's one , because of the uncutted tip, but never ordered the parts to make a try. There are smaller "windsurf" sails in two sizes for that vertical tail, if you really want to, check "plastic triangle" in bricklink

Many thanks @Cypr-21 for the un-stickered photos I see it in the same range as 42039 (white-green) and old racers (8145) and obviously Lego has decided that gearboxes are for the 1:8 luxury cars. For me the tipping point are the white curved 3x11 panels. Set price is a changing subject, it might go down as with 42077 (azure) reaching the under-100, but if that part become available at a reasonable price it might be unnecessary to get the whole car.

For me it is a good year. There are a bunch of new parts and interesting recolors, even before seeing the inside of the sets. I am only mising the the new power functions but they might show up on the 2H Sure to get the Porsche and probably the Corvette. It looks that the Porsche has steering using the driver's wheel and an interesting interior in the box art, I do not expect a gearbox but there should be quite a lot of space in the rear area to add one or even motors. It is fun how there has been hate for the stickers and now it is for the printed parts. Let's use plain colour stickers to hide the printing! We will get the worst of both worlds :)

Didn't noticed the fenders are new (smaller), sounds great as they would match better smaller wheels I agree to call this "1:10" scale as it is the same as 42039 and 8448, and use 1:8 for 42056 Porche, Bugatti and those amazing MOCs

Really happy with the Porsche 42096, at least 5 white curved 3x11 + 2 in black. And the white wheel arches, printed or not, are a great addition. Fun use of the black curved rack from the bucket wheel excavator and rough terrain crane. And I expect black frames in the underside. I doubt if it would have a true B model but the part selection will allow for many good alternates. It seems same scale as 42077, but with better look, and the 42039, wich seems the most similar set in piece count, style and scale for a direct comparison. I like it much more than the bigger orange porsche 42056. I'll wait for Sariel's video but keen on finding it at the right price. And the vette is a nice panel packs, given it has the right price.

8448 do have such feature. It is from 1999, that's 20 years ago I give for sure that 42096 will have a B model. I'm curious about the pieces for steering, if they keep the excellent 42054's wheel hub holder 23801 or they come up with an update.

If you plan to get just a few, I would suggest to have a look to rebrickable.com, mocpages and this forum for alternatives. In that sense the green tractor 42054 is a great choice, althought it is a different subject. The most city-style truck is Mack 42078, and the B-model is pure and glorius garbage (truck) I haven't see a C model for a flatbed truck but I guess that it could be done to load and carry around other vehicles.

Based on what I read above, I expect a GTR of size and functions as the 42039 LeMans, this is roughly 1:10 scale. Porsche and Chiron are 1:8, wich is a tad big and heavy for my taste. When googling for Porsche GTR I get a livery in White, Red and Grey so I hope 42096 will deliver the long overdue white 3x13 Curved Panel . They would be wellcomed in red as well

On January'19 we technic-AFOLs are going to have the perfect storm ... in our wallets We will have the usual 1H offering and the winter sales, this time spans the excellent 2016 line up including the Porsche 42056, but add to this the Forma-indiegogo and the Bricklink's specials (I expect at least two technic MOCs) and I feel overwhelmed, overoffered and saturated. The 1H race car sounds great but official sets are is my least priority given the short window of opportunity for the other three purchase options. I am even wishing it to be simpler than the 42077 so it is an easy pass

many thanks for keeping this forum up and running

There are Lime and Dark Green curved panels, I learnt while building 42054 C-Models from BrickbybrickTechnic There are two different but alike parts: the Panel Curved 11 x 3 with 10 Pin Holes which is not availabel neither in Lime nor Dark Green and the Panel Curved 11 x 3 with 2 Pin Holes which is available in both Sorry for the off-topic I do not like both colors together. They may even surprise all of us using the 42039's green (Bright Green)

Hi, the very first pics from the Nurember Toy Fair '2017 shows the exposed studs version: https://zusammengebaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/lego-creator-turbo-track-racer-31070-heck-spielwarenmesse-2017-andres-lehmann.jpg The instructions no longer listed at lego (found in brickset) also shows the stud-exposed one whereas the current one shows the studless This has been commented in the following thread, they consider the correct one the studless version with additional pieces: http://bricksetforum.com/discussion/27448/31070-turbo-track-racer-parts-missing Thanks for pointing out here, nice curiosity. I might get the set just for this reason :)

Hi It's fun to answer so late... I realized that it might be used in buildings to create skylights, I did it in a recent contest, I used a 8x8 trans-clear dish to cover it. https://ideas.lego.com/challenges/1b817aba-3990-4e6d-a17f-7a59a948d02f/application/e979619b-f319-47ab-a294-c95e09a79cf4 Potentialy, it could be used for decorative hollows between plants in a building, surrounded with curved fences

Saw it yesterday and supported straight away. Lookseven better than the previous 4 C-models you have shared, it's likely that you get 10k supporters but I think we will never see a Technic Ideas set And I am seriously considering to get 42055. How do you have time for all?