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It's a bit early for details, even if the release date of the movie was moved. Probably just got confirmation on amount of sets if I had to guess. I think people misunderstand what a multiverse means for the story. The villains might be from different multiverse, not necessarily from the Raimi or Webb verse - I also expect that some might be from the Watts verse. The actor potentially being cast does not necessarily mean that the character is the same one. The costume and design, thus the figure, might alter wildly. I think most likely the MCU will be going for the original Sinister Six comprised of; Doctor Octopus (Possibly the Raimi version) Electro (Not the Webb verse) Mysterio (Set-up in Far From Home) Vulture (Set-up in Homecoming) Sandman (Possibly the Raimi version) Kraven (Sony intend to do a Spin-off focused around the character, but he could be introduced here first) Morbius or Scorpion could be swapped to replace Kraven if they want to stick to the team as much as possible. Alternatively we are getting the villains of the MCU Sinister Six comprised of; Doctor Octopus (Possibly the Raimi version) Electro (Not the Webb verse) Scorpion (Set-up in Homecoming) Vulture (Set-up in Homecoming) Mysterio (Set-up in Far From Home) Shocker (Set-up in Homecoming)

Hopefully the Spider-man 3 sets blow things out of the water. Having updated versions of all three of the Spider-men would be great, as some sadly have not lasted the test of time and deserve an updated version. Will also be nice hopefully getting a live action Sinister Six squad in a single wave. Regarding Spider-man 3, I think people are overthinking the similarities between this and Spider-verse. It won't be an exact recreation of Spider-verse, it's simply going to have the former Spider-man versions play a role. Depending how deep we go with the multiverse stuff depends what we get in terms of figures. Most likely I'd expect any potential Matt Murdock aspect to be a cameo montage of Peter trying to approach people for help before eventually deciding to enlist the help of Doctor Strange, who we already know is part of this film and serves as Peter's mentor in this film. It could be as simple as the other Spider-men being cameos, but I'd honestly expect them to help Spider-man during the final act against the villain/villains - even if the supporting cast they have only appears briefly. In regards to the villains; Doctor Octopus (Alfred Molina), Mysterio (Jake Gyllenhaal OR Peter Billingsley), Vulture (Michael Keaton), Electro (Jamie Foxx), Shocker (Bokeem Woodbine) and Scorpion (Michael Mando) seem to be the most likely as a form of Sinister Six. You could maybe swap Shocker out for another villain if needed such as Kraven (Who could fit the theme of Spider-man being hunted), potentially even Morbius, but we've already established all of these characters currently and Jamie Foxx & Alfred Molina were confirmed to be reprising so we have the makings of a Sinister Six. I think the scenario will be more akin to Peter or Doctor Strange messing up resulting in Doctor Octopus and Electro escaping the multiverse (like a doorway being left open) and forming a Sinister Six with the current group that is after Spider-man with the goal of killing Spider-man. This then results in Peter using the multiverse to bring help via the other two versions of Spider-man.

Olivanders looks great, probably the best build of the entire set. Quality Quidditch Supplies looks great, but it did not need the second layer Flourish & Blotts looks great, probably the most accurate of the set Weasley's Wizard Wheezes is a mixed bag but looks fine I guess Knockturn Alley entrance looks neat Everything else kinda feels unnecessary honestly - which is a shame as it seems aspects were left out intentionally. We don't have the Diagon Alley entrance which is a shame and we are also missing key features such as the Leakey Couldron or Gringotts Bank I'd easily be willing to sacrifice the Ice Cream Parlor, Daily Prophet Segment and Scribbulus for a Leakey Couldron with Diagon Alley Entrance.

Does not matter. Unless around 80% of cinema's worldwide re-open, chances are that new movies are going to be released online instead. Hence examples here, cinema's open but a lack of films that could have been released because companies will hold back on releasing them until they are certain they can get a profit. Mulan for example is going to Disney+ and the only place it is being shown in cinema is China. We've had promotion, but the focus has been on the actors/actresses rather than anything about the characters and the only character info we know is specifically referring to powers/abilities that seem generic and shared among the entire team. Hence why I find it difficult to imagine Eternals performing well. Eternals was likely going to be the main focus of the second half of 2020 in regards to sets - I believe we'd heard of four, potentially five. These are all now instead going to be released in 2021, likely in late January/February if the release date for Eternals remains the same. I doubt Lego wanted to release Shang Chi set/sets with Eternals sets still hot on the shelf. I think Lego are also worried that Disney might move back Eternals again along with Shang Chi. Regarding DC, July 2021 was going to feature 'The Batman' Lego sets, which are now delayed presumably to October alongside the film. It is still early, but I doubt we'll get leaks as I expect any sets related to the movies are going to be shelved and Lego likely won't have many non-movie Marvel sets planned until mid 2021, DC could be different.

Personally I think it's too late. The main appeal was getting sets and characters from a specific film when that film was on your mind. Granted some nostalgia still exists, but nobody here is really clammering for any of the older films to get additional sets anymore - everyone has just kind of accepted the lack of things. I think the Iron Man armour is the only thing I can see some MCU Lego fans chasing, but I think they messed up that also with the change in helmets which drive a wedge between the 'Iron Army' sort of appeal - plus other options exist to get the Iron Man suits for cheaper in Lego style. Eternals might get some good sets, but it's very unlikely those sets will release close to the movie and I don't feel a lot of the fanbase are really connected with Eternals. It's less known than the Guardians were and we've not really had any marketting to bring interest the same way the marketting for Guardians did - instead its cram the movie full of popular actors/actresses. The movie has already been moved from November to February and with Wave 2 about to start it's unlikely cinema's will be opening around winter. Lego can and probably has got the Eternals sets fairly finalised, but we'll likely see them release in a similar predicament to Black Widow - either way before or way after the movie. The rumor mill is going to be dry for a long while regarding MCU Lego sets, lol. I doubt Black Widow is even going to release this year, let alone Eternals which is probably going to be pushed back to Summer 2021. Cinema's just are not going to open up.

So they were somehow unaware that it violated policy throughout the entirety of what must have been almost a year of design, production, etc... and also they were unaware of an obvious flaw that everyone experiences upon building the set implying both poor production and a lack of testing which should be standard? Either way, this is just another in the line of Lego's declining quality and contradictions.

As of time of writing, original reply had no quote so cannot tell specificially what they were referring to. Regarding the idea of Lego allowing sales of pre-shipped sets, that still goes against the reason they recalled the set. Either let people buy it or don't - but to allow some to buy it makes it a commodity and creates further outrage at the stupidity of Lego's decisions to remove the product now rather than when this set had criticisim months ago. Lego has already produced military related sets multiple times, included realistic looking guns alongside varying forms of tanks and other military vehicles. In this case the goal of the set was not to portray a military activity and the set was finalised and being released. The Osprey itself is not inherently militarised, features no weapons and is displayed in a 'rescue' setting. If a company makes and promotes a set, they have a duty to deliver on the set. If they fail to deliver on the set then the customer is entitled to be frustrated by this. They were marketted a set and told it would be released and at the last moment the company removes it from sale yet allows it to flood online at exorbitant prices. Especially when it was removed while other sets that break Lego's nonsensical and contradictory rule were not. All this entire thing has done is left Lego financially worse off, created an aftermarket on Ebay, disappointed customers, annoyed retailers who had demand and pre-sales for the product and likely given more power to an organisation that frankly seems unjustified in picking Lego's portrayal as opposed to the model kits or knock-off Lego brands that produce military vehicles consistently. Removing it now is a slap in the face to those who wanted to get the set, which is now a commodity valued at around $1k+ and worse still contradicts themselves when they previously released the Black Widow movie set featuring a CH-47 Chinook, one of the most well known military vehicles in existance and developed entirely for the US army and depicted in the Lego set being used for militarised purposes and covered in guns including a play feature blaster

It was a really stupid decision on Lego's part and this is arguably one of the most impressive technic sets that they have produced. It's one of the few technic sets I would have ever gotten and I'm speaking from a perspective of someone who was never really into technic sets other than a few of the massive construction sets. This would have been my first technic set in a long time and potentially reinvigorated my interest in the technic theme - but now its unlikely to see the light of day. I'd argue this decision from Lego will open up massive problems the next time they have a vehicle that has been used for military purposes - which removes a lot of options in future and sets a dangerous precident that Lego will cancel any set containing a vehicle that was militarised at one point.

Iron Mast Bust: Red segments are 'ok' but not great, likely due to lower piece count than other busts. Gold segments kind of reminds me of a testificate/villager from Minecraft. The fact is is priced the same as the other busts is insulting. I will not be getting it and I do not think anyone should until it drops to around a third off. Hulkbuster: The connection between the arms and the body feels like its pulled too far out and the head seems too flat. Nothing particularly as a selling feature other than the mech being comic inspired. Rescue is a nice addition, but I've seen and own a knock-off of that very figure with arm print and more detail than what Lego is providing so nothing to make me want this set. Avengers Tower 2.0: This is a much better version of the original Avengers Tower set in regards to design, despite having less pieces this feels much more complete. A brick built Avengers logo is great along with the tower being taller. The figure selection is much more appealing and you get two more figures than the previous version. If the price is the same as the last one then I can see this being quite a great set. That said, I'm still not drawn to purchase this one. Just does not really offer much new other than using the tower as a backdrop for an action scene or something. It's still the best set of the wave so far though. Hopefully the new hall of armour set leaks soon. Honestly it's sort of like the version you posted mixed with the flattened head and upper chest of this version (Just with a different arc reactor) If they were going for the version you posted then they got the head wrong, its way too flat.

Even with the additional builds and spinning blade feature, the Helicarrier could have been made interesting and visually appealing, but it's just bland and uninspired. It feels like a prototype, a very early first draft of a concept rather than a finished set. On the bright side though, DC also got terrible summer sets this time around? So perhaps it's just more evidence that Lego are putting everything they have towards Monkey Kid.

Been here since the start of the project. Admittedly did not manage to do much due to IRL commitments, but submitted the top of the stairs, prison and part of the Captain Cabin on the 4th and the completed Captains Cabin midday on Friday to @Brickander Brickumnus. Could only work on it a little during the week due to IRL work, but completed the segments I was tasked with (Other than a tiny segment of the roof). It's probably because you did not know I was involved as I did not know anyone else involved in the project other than Brickander though was under the viewpoint it would be split into three or four segments Either way, looking forward to the finalised stud.io file release. Lots of people loved the original so will be nice for everyone, regardless of how it was reconstructed.

Apologies. Could you upload the Stud.io file when its complete? or PM? :)

You've probably completed it already by now, but I've sent the Captains Cabin (Red circled part) via pm :)

The only time I have felt insulted is due to your dismissive remarks currently - in which you dismiss the concept of customers having any say in a customer based submission program designed so that Lego can see what the customer wants. Countless reasons exists as to why the projects that qualify for Lego Ideas are selected, most often though it is because the selected project appeals in a way that the other projects of a similar nature do not. All your comment boils down to is that the 10,000 people who voted for this project along with the countless individuals who promoted it to help it reach 10,000 votes, those who spent months waiting for it to be adapted only to get something different than what they asked for should be greatful for the fact they were given something different. If I show interest in 'A', they have the ability to give me 'A' and instead give me 'B', why should'nt I be allowed to say that 'B' is not 'A'? The whole goal of the Lego Designers who work for Lego Ideas is to bring someone else's concept to reality. The best designers who have worked on Lego Ideas have understood that, it's not about them, it's about the original submission and what the fans asked for. This is not a 'passion project' for them, nor the ability for a designer to prove themselves as being great at designing. The designer should be, at all time, subject to the original design that reached 10,000 and the closest they can adapt the original design while appealing to the same audience the better. The Old Fishing Store is in my eyes the best example of this, changes can be made but it lives up to the spirit of the original and despite designer influences it has the same appeal. Note the Old Fishing Store comparison above. It is easily possible to have aspects changed without losing the original appeal or the original design beneath tons of fluff that was not the reason people voted for the original set. It looks amazing and it looks like a great nostalgia filled revamp of the Black Seas Barracuda... but that is not what I as a customer wanted. I wanted a Bay, I got a Boat. It ruins the entire point of Lego Ideas in my view. If I wanted a Pirate Ship I would have voted for the Caribbean Pirate Galleon and modded that. Tons of Pirate Ship submissions are on Lego Ideas yet never get to the 10,000 votes because the primary audience are not wanting a Pirate Ship, they wanted a Pirate Bay instead this time and got given primarily a Pirate Ship. The variance is the aspect I am commenting on. In the original the appeal was the buildings. In the new version the appeal is the ship. Both are great builds, but I'm more so after the original than the new. Perhaps, shall look into it.

I'm not sure how we can pool resources? Perhaps move this discussion to PM's though I am still working on a revamped larger version of the Silent Mary & a partial replica of a prototype version of the Rexcelsior. They already planned to make several sets for an anniversary of the Pirates theme, we've seen a glimpse of some of them and likely they will make more sets in future based on the sales of this set. I understand why people would prefer this version to the Ideas set, based on a mixture of nostalgia and the 2-in-1 mode. I still feel that the Lego Pirates franchise would have benefited more from an attack on two fronts. One focused towards the classics being the revamped Barracuda, the other being focused towards the modern day portrayals of Pirates fitting in well with the tone of the PotC sets they produced. Then they are appealing to both sets of fans, rather than just appealing to those who like the asthetic of the original. The speed it takes to reach 10,000 votes and the fact it is reaching 10,000 votes shows an interest. To imply it was either a choice between what we got OR nothing is insulting as we know for a fact that other options were available. Your claim makes no sense and defies what we've seen from the prototypes and from other Ideas sets. The fishing store did not turn Yellow, Red and White as a reference to 60147. It was adapted faithfully and everyone was happy and it was one, if not the best, selling Ideas set they have made. The design process demonstrated they could have encorporated more of the colour scheme, design and asthetic of the original but chose not to. Why vote for a Lego Ideas set in the future if the reality is going to be nothing like the submission? At that point you are only barely even voting for a title as this is barely even a 'Bay' and more a converting revamp of a prior set.

I never expected a 100% carbon copy, I knew certain segments would need to be adapted heavily. Certain parts do not exist anymore, they would alter the graphics for certain segments, but this is something much more. It's barely even the original submission, just a classic pirate ship remake with some additional parts - and everyone on here is treating is as such. The whole idea of Lego Ideas is for fans to design sets, not for designers to take the title and a tiny aspect of the concept and make whatever they want or alter the design massively because they have nostalgia for a classic theme/set. Is the Medieval Blacksmith going to be turned into a remake of 3739 with tons of references to that set solely because it shares the colour scheme and title? It would turn more into a vote on which classic theme set you want remade rather than creating original ideas. I hope this scenario never occurs again with Lego Ideas. They could have easily released this set as the 'Black Seas Barracuda'. Sell it as something different and everyone would be praising that with no complaints, but to do this to an Ideas submission is wrong.

It's honestly terrifying what it means for Lego Ideas as a concept if the designers will just ignore the original submission in favour of whatever they deem will sell well. Granted, a lot of effort has went into the design process, but what they have made and sold is a remake of the Black Seas Barracuda, not the 'Pirate Bay'. A lot of effort has went into selling the set based on nostalgia and the boat, even if the boat is not on the front in order to label the set as being the Ideas submission. The people buying this are buying it primarily for the ship and I feel that's unfortunate considering the original design. Granted that some would take the original design apart to try and replicate some of the ships it was made of, but that's because the original design promotes creativity, you want to see what you can do with this batch of pieces left behind from different shipwrecks. This new set promotes none of that, you buy the set for the ship and you display it in ship mode because it is more iconic as the ship and the ship is where the primary effort of the design went. I'm going to set to work on studio.io trying to replicate it also, gives something to do during lockdown, but it's going to be time consuming. As mentioned, the problem is not that this version is bad, this version is amazing and a lot of the design seems insanely well made... it's just not what I voted for. What I voted for is so heavily disconnected from what they are offering that the product no longer appeals to me.The ship is nice, but it's not what I was after. I may get the official set eventually, but at the moment I'm more prepared to throw time and money into the original ideas submission. At one stage I was setting up to throw $399.99 into getting this set based on the rumours, if it happened to be the more expensive of the two. That's how invested I was in the original design. When I've eventually reversed engineered it, hopefully will be able to Bricklink the pieces and have it as the pride of a Pirates Of The Caribbean figure display as feel it would really fit well with the tone of those films.

The original design was clearly made up of several different ship parts of varying designs and scales with very obvious lined segments to make it feel less like it was an easy conversion from ship to Bay and it would be very unlikely to be able to transform back into a ship, even if you rebuilt it you would find difficulty because it is supposed to be made of salvaged scrap of multiple former ships that has washed ashore. The finalised design has none of that element and is a singular ship. Deconstruct of the design process and why it proves they never understood the original design. This is the only part of the prototype process where they align with the style, design, tone and colours of the original submission giving us a hint at how we may have at one point had a more accurate design. During this stage they emphasise the idea that it was meant to be, at minimum, combined from three different ships with an additional outpost as the main construction. The smaller ship to the side is the only ship in the original design that looked remotely like it could still return to working order and as such is the most complete and ship-like segment of the build. I could understand turning that into a smaller vessel, but to apply that to the entire build removes the point. By stage 2 they have abandoned the original straight and organised appearance in favour of curved segments to demonstrate the ship more clearly. At this stage it is very clear they have made a ship that they convert into the Bay baseplate. They have scrapped the hull piece on the side, which was to be honest, expected - but still retain the different scaled hull piece at the front to harken back to the concept of it being made of multiple different ships rather than a singular ship. I would still argue that at this stage the intent of the original designer is almost completely lost. The buildings were supposed to be the focal point of the build, the idea it was a 'bay' where ships would dock. The segment between the pier and the main construct was meant to be for smaller ships to dock, not for a massive ship hull. This is the last stage where the concept of multiple ships is included, a clear emphasis is made on the front hull segment being part of a diffferent ship including its own minature anchor. The size of the sand/water is pretty much consistent between this and the final design with minimal changes. Later stages in the design process deal primarily with the weathering on the ship, removing more of the brown and replacing with black/white/gold and generally removing further aspects of the original design because as of Prototype 2 they decided to have the bay become the Black Seas Barracuda.

I probably should clarify, I feel that the original creator would be happy with the design that exists - but that it strays far from the original vision. Like if you don't particularly have a preference for Ice Cream, ask for two scoops of chocolate but get two scoops of strawberry instead with flake and sprinkles, despite them having chocolate available. You still like Strawberry, it's not what you were after but it's presented in a way that makes it appealing and you are still happy to get the strawberry one instead though part of you still wishes they had just given you the chocolate you wanted. I still expect the set to sell well and the set is still an amazing build, just not because of the appeal the original ideas submission had. Obviously the original creator can correct me on this, if they are allowed to discuss the matter, but personally I loved the original design and was planning to get multiples of the original set to have a 'Shipwreck Cove' style area potentially with a rustic Pirate Ship made from spare parts of the set. It just seemed like the perfect method of bringing back Pirates in a new form more akin to Pirates of the Caribbean. @paokus Apologies if this comes across as abrupt or mistaking your work with the designers. I feel that both this version and your original ideas submission are amazing sets - I just feel that the style/tone of your original submission has been lost in the nostalgia and desire to replicate/reboot a pre-existing theme/set. I understand these are most likely just my individual feelings regarding the set and feel free to correct me if I am wrong with how it appears to have occured (If you can discuss this) Even if you are unable to comment on the design process, if possible can you please make the original design plans available so I and others can replicate your original submission? I fell in love with the concept, tone, style and execution of your submission and would love more than anything else to be able to have it on display.

I think it'd be worth it for the classic ship, if you are interested in that version - but yeah, not sure you'd benefit greatly from having two of this set unless you just wanted two of the classic ships. In the same boat as you, hope the original designer releases the plans for his version. Felt the appeal of the original was the fact it leaned more towards Shipwreck Cove from Pirates of the Caribbean in tone and execution.

Rather than buying for the 'Bay' you are buying it for an alt-mode that was not part of the original design and you are interested in that alt-mode primarily because Lego Designers chose to sell the set with classic pirate nostalgia rather than put in the level of effort and respect to the original designer and design that the Lego Old Fishing Store gained. If this set was sold as a seperate entity, that would be fine. It'd be a great Pirate Ship set with a mediocre 'Bay' mode. No way should this be considered an adaptation of the Ideas 'Pirate Bay' though.

Yes, that is obvious. It was however not the intent or direction the original designer was after and very heavily sounds like the Lego Designers veto'd his ideas in favour of creating a rebooted version of the Barracuda set which they would misleadingly sell as an adaptation of the 'Lego Ideas Pirate Bay'. The work and effort of this set is based around the 'ship mode', it really does feel like the alt-mode was the priority with the 'bay' being an afterthought that was added much later in the process. Whereas the original design was entirely focused around the 'bay' concept and inspired individuals who wanted to turn it into something more using the pieces. The uniqueness, style, creativity, etc... all of it has been stripped away by creators solely to provide a set they could have likely released regardless. It made it look bland and unappealing in my view, they pretty much sacrificed the 'bay' mode in favour of the classic themed pirate ship mode. By the sounds of what was said by Brickvault who apparently interviewed/spoke with the designers who worked on this, the Lego Designers were the ones to decide to turn it into an effective reboot of the classic Barracuda set, not the original designer. Arguably I feel this was a massive mistake, the set is still great and will obviously sell, but its more appealing as the ship with the small land add-on rather than the 'Pirate Bay' concept that was the appeal of the original set. Trying to imply this is, in any shape or form, the intent of the original designer or Ideas set would be an insult. It really does feel like the Lego Designers stripped all the creativity away from the Ideas submission because they preferred the original classic pirates. I expect this set to sell well amongst classic pirates fans because it's basically a reboot of a pre-existing classic pirates set. Classic fans will turn it into a ship and likely never display it in the 'bay' mode again. For everyone who voted for it on Ideas I expect it to be a letdown given the Lego Designers removed everything the original designer intended about the set because they wanted to make classic pirates. It reminds me of The Lego Movie when character are incapable of working together or following instructions and instead want to do one thing specifically and makes no attempt to do anything else, trapped in the past and reluctant to adapting to the desires of modern day, driven by nostalgia for a specific design.

Look how they massacred my boy D: The appeal of Pirates Bay was the detail, the dark brown and the rustic appeal. Now it's a colourful playset focused mess that converts to a rebooted version of a prior design. Admittedly the fact you can make it into a Pirate Ship is appealing, but it's took away everything that was the reason I and others voted for in the original design, arguably the worst conversion from Ideas to Reality. Colour scheme; Turned from dark/rustic into bright/vibrant Design; Turned from detailed display piece into figure focused playset Uniqueness; Turned into a rebooted version of a prior set with a few add-ons No wonder Pirates keeps failing to come back, they keep relying on the designs of the past rather than taking risks

It's more the massive impact it will have on the economy and society, primarily regarding travel/trade. It's going to be quite difficult for them to film the planned Marvel movies such as Currently (Shang Chi), May (Doctor Strange), July (Spider-man 3) and August (Thor). The delay of filming will push back the release dates and as a result delay the movie themed sets. It's difficult to know how this will impact the amount of sets released in 2021 when all four films were originally planned for release. Even at best case scenario, it's likely that each film will be pushed back to a later films release date Kinda... Lego already made mosaics, when they opened a store in London that was one of the main selling points and the focus was entirely kid-focused. I'm not sure how this theme is now going to be focused towards adults by going with potentially black/white character portraits from movies that are primarily aimed at a younger audience. Lego also already made several themes focused on adults, arguably the modular buildings theme is the most notable. I'd definitely say the dark ages are continuing; A polybag of Captain Marvel & Nick Fury that should have been released in 2019 Marvel mech sets that are already on half-price discounts worldwide because nobody was buying them Spider-man sets that include black/white repeats of previous sets and often relying on a single unique figure to sell the sets and a reliance on Venom The seemingly only Black Widow set lacking Red Guardian and having a Taskmaster lacking leg printing, despite the similar priced Doctor Strange set or the cheaper priced Ant-Man set getting leg print for all three figures Two 'ok' game based sets that were mostly notable for the controversy of not getting comic accurate Aim Soldiers Maybe Summer sets can change my mind.

We have no confirmation of price currently. We had two rumoured prices, as noted earlier in this thread, and believed the Pirate Bay to be the cheaper $199.99 set due to an evaluation of the Ideas submission's size and similarity in building designs to the Fishing Store.